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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:09 AM Original message |
In the context of the US Bill of Rights,... |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
1. Is the RKBA an individual right,... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Security of a free state includes the security of every individual, family, or other group |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
47. To that end... |
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DWC (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
13. RKBA is an individual, not social, right |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
61. Rights recognized and protected by the Constitution are individual... |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
2. Who has rights? |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
26. That's an interesting question, and it came up a bit in a thread recently about an |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. I have frequently considered... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
31. Not everyone on our soil has every right.. |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. The Constitution... |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
62. Probably all, unless there is proven subterfuge in claiming... |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
3. By way of explaination... |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
4. Rights exist because we do, not because government grants them to us. |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #4 |
19. All authority... |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
5. States have a right to a well-organized militia. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. The people have a right to keep and bear arms. mt |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
34. And the militia you belong to is...? |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. See below. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms... |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
75. So when then does it mention militia in the first place? |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. If I might presume... |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 09:21 AM Response to Reply #75 |
86. It is what is known as a "prefatory clause"... |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
53. Too old for both. |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
68. United States Code: 10 USC 311 |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. pleas expand |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. "sporting" rifle - Now there is a contradiction in terms. |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Maybe you could take a survey and report back. n/t |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #36 |
64. Actually, you are off-target... |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 05:54 PM Response to Reply #36 |
72. Non of the paper or steel targets I shoot at have complained. n/t |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Any valid "target" that is complaining about being shot.... |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. re: "...no right to own an assault weapon..." |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #5 |
24. So much fail. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
30. A well-regulated militia, made up of THE PEOPLE. |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. As you see it... |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. Militias are made up of part-timers, armies are not. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
41. Since the bill of rights... |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
48. A state is an abstract artificial construct; how can it have rights? |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. The misnomer "state's rights"... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. read any international law lately? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
63. Actually, the state has the power to organize militia, not a right... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
6. A sovreignty to act without permission from someone else. |
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DWC (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. So long as that action... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Within limits |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. There is also,... |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
8. The freedom to |
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Oneka (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
10. A right |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
12. A right, or not -- the Constitution does not require people to carry in public. |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Lucky for us the State(s) do allow us to carry in public. |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
51. I don't think luck is involved. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
66. Precisely. What a state "allows" it can take away. nt |
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Remmah2 (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Who's requiring anything? |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
52. I've seen nothing about a requirement to carry... |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. As I understand it... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. So? It does not give the government the right to prohibit it either. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. It doesn't forbid it either NT |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. The government does not need to be forbidden... |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
60. You may actually want to read my post in context |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
65. You misread the Constitution... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #65 |
77. Point is, those who can't leave home without a gun or two can reconsider what their bad habit |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. If there was a negitive effect on society, where is the massive cry to outlaw CC. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Don't you EVER get tired of your shtick? |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
73. Does ir require you to show your "cowboy" picture? n/t |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 07:52 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Just for you Oneshooter, photos and videos. Don't stay up all night with them. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:33 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. I looked at just a couple but |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. "Cowboy" = 21st Century gunners who believe their guns prepare them to "save the day" in public. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
80. Who said anything about requiring |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 06:49 AM Response to Reply #12 |
85. It doesn't require you to engage in speech in public either. N/T |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
20. They are inalienable rights that are self evident and universal |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Agreed. n/t |
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Francis Marion (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
27. Core Beliefs of our English/American Heritage |
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gravity556 (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. It's simple. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
57. it's all so easy, isn't it? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #57 |
83. "there is no "supreme being". |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. so? |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
33. A FURTHER QUESTION: |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Federal restrictions on firearms are rooted in its power to regulate interstate commerce |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. As I understand... |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. I thought it was Montana |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
49. AN INTERESTING SIDE NOTE. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. maybe because the OP is dumb? |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I would submit... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. okay, how about "the OP was transparent"? |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. In answer... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #59 |
69. how's your google expertise? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. So it is a matter of semantics? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:06 PM Response to Reply #70 |
87. so you chose to mischaracterize everything I said? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #87 |
99. Because clarity of thought is not a strong trait of yours? nt. |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. So there is... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #71 |
88. what's the question? |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Clarification... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. okay |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Might I infer... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. a constitutional right |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. How can this be reconciled with your position? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I give up |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Let's just conclude and remain friendly. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. sorry, I disregarded the boldface |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-30-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Thanks. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. "...I love a newbie." Alas! You once loved me. oh, woe is me. nt |
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