State lawmakers: Cities can’t ban guns in parks, town halls (GOP/NRA Nanny State)

[jpak]

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/07/31/2340997/state-lawmakers-cities-cant-ban.html

Do handguns belong in South Florida’s parks and recreation centers and city halls?

They do according to the Florida Legislature.

Under a new law that takes effect Oct. 1, all of the state’s cities and counties must repeal local rules limiting gun ownership. Although the state has claimed sole right to regulate firearms since 1987, this year’s new law adds fines for local officials who fail to comply, and gives gun owners a right to sue for damages if they believe their rights have been violated.

Though the initial bill suggested a fine of $5 million, the final legislation lowered the amount to $5,000.

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[elleng]

1. 'Damages' 'cause Daddy wouldn't let me bring my gun to the park???

[GreenStormCloud]

2. Good deal. Creates uniformity across the state.

Makes gun laws easy to know and follow.

[jpak]

5. Bad for Democracy and local control

Good for GOP/NRA jackbooters

yup

[AtheistCrusader]

13. Washington State has done the same for many years.

Solidly blue state. Please explain.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

23. Same in California

[We_Have_A_Problem]

31. So then...

...you'd be OK if the local municipality wanted to ban blacks, or forbid women from voting, or make homosexuality illegal?

Just making sure - since you seem to be OK with at least one civil right being restricted...

[TheWraith]

43. You know you're arguing in favor of "states' rights," yes?

That whole "local control and fuck the actual law" jazz is the basis of the whole "states' rights" thing. A city is no more allowed to contradict state law than a state is the US constitution.

[atreides1]

9. Would have worked the same

If the state had backed the city ordinances, instead of creating the 'Streets of Laredo' scenario that will probably occur.

This was nothing more then raw meat being thrown to the beasts in the arena...a political ploy to make people forget about the dictator and his puppet legislators...who will be re-elected by those whose cognitive functions automatically shut down when guns and God are mentioned...

[ProgressiveProfessor]

14. No evidence in any other state with similar laws

Any other fiction you care to spout?

[AtheistCrusader]

29. Gun owning atheist here, living in WA, which has State Pre-Emption of all local firearm laws

open carry, must-issue concealed carry... our senators are both Democrats, most of our Reps are blue, the state votes blue in the general election...


Strange, eh?

Edit: I can draw you a picture if you like.

[Kennah]

56. We can also carry into restaurants that serve liquor and even carry to court

I often do the former, and I had the opportunity to do the latter when I was on jury duty in 2006.

[AtheistCrusader]

58. IT'S A RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!

or something... um.

[Kennah]

61. See now that completely screws up the meme I'm trying to push

CPL doesn't really stand for Concealed Pistol License. It stands for Commie Pinko Leftist.

[atreides1]

3. A few more laws like this

....and Florida will become the Arizona of the East!!!

[GreenStormCloud]

4. And that would be a good thing. N/T

[atreides1]

10. Never said it would be a good thing...

...because I don't believe it will.

[iverglas]

12. GreenStormCloud said it

And GreenStormCloud was serious.

I can understand your confusion.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

22. Believe what you will, but it is a good thing

[gejohnston]

33. Vermont already has

Arizona has stricter laws than Vermont.

[spin]

40. This is not a new law. The law written in 1987 had the same requirement ...

Florida makes the gun laws, local communities can't.

Nobody ever considered that some petty tyrants might decide to ignore the rules and make their own local laws, so there were no penalties for officials who did.

Now there are.

Now I can drive around Florida with my concealed handgun and my carry license and I don't have to carry a printout of all the stupid gun regulations in every little town that I visit. I do have to follow the State of Florida rules on where I can carry and where I can't.

That sounds reasonable and fair to me.

[PavePusher]

44. Please explain what you mean by that.

Are you trying to insinuate that everyone in Arizona goes around shooting other people at all times?

[SteveM]

50. Ah, condemnation of 2 states in one posting. How politic.

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[onehandle]

7. Gun owners getting more rights than union members.

Inching towards the return of voting rights only for white male property owners.

[iverglas]

11. oh, now

Remember -- employees have rights in Florida!

They have the right to leave their guns in their cars in the company parking lot.

:rofl:

[ProgressiveProfessor]

15. Flamming non sequitor...

Many gun owners are union members and since the dismantling of the racist and classist gun control laws, liberty for all is increasing, not the other way around.

[onehandle]

20. Gun owners/white male property owners are gaining. Union members, women and minorities are losing.

And there is a clear connection.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

21. So union members are not gun owners?

Gun ownership is growing fastest among women and minorities. The removal of the classist and racist gun laws are making gun ownership more accessible to those who need the self defense they provide.

[onehandle]

24. And yet the people making the real gains...

Voting station monitor services provided by Koch Industries, 2020. Following the total Tea Party sweep of government in 2016.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

26. Conflating gun ownership with the Koch Brothers?

That is a serious stretch...

While there are certainly economic and other injustices in this country, tying it to firearm ownership is not appropriate

[onehandle]

30. Talk about injustice...

The guy with the coral polo, black suspenders and stretch blue jeans did not get the militia memo.

[friendly_iconoclast]

47. Umm, that's a still from "Rosewood", a film set in the 1920's...

...when Florida actually did have racially-biased gun laws.
Now, they don't- so what's your problem?

[SteveM]

53. I think Onehandle has forgotten all those Michigan deer hunters.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

27. Oh really?

Could you point out that clear connection for us? After all - a right is a right and the right to be armed applies to ALL - not just white males.

Frankly, being a white male, I'm rather offended with your characterization.

[SteveM]

52. "White male property owners are gaining?" Sure about that?

You should take another look at the economy: the employment rate, pay, benefits are in decline for all groups.

[gejohnston]

32. a lot of those union members are gun owners

why do you think they are too separate groups?

[HockeyMom]

49. In Florida, with Rick Scott, yeah

He wanted to eliminate payroll deductions for Union dues. How does that save money? It is just for spite and an attempt to bust the unions for government workers.

[SteveM]

54. No one's arguing with you about Scott's anti-union actions...

We're just arguing with you about your gun-control guilt-by-association actions.

[SteveM]

51. "...the return of voting rights only for white male property owners?"

Can't do this unless white male property owners pass Jim Crow gun laws to force this through.

[Upton]

8. Look who's talking about a nanny state..

The biggest nanny state cheerleader of them all. Ban this, ban that, infringe upon a constitutionally guaranteed civil liberty..

Yay for the ATF and DEA...we can trust them..:eyes:

[spin]

42. I suspect these people who love bans suffer from constipation.

[friendly_iconoclast]

48. I hope this new law has a laxative effect on them.

It certainly has provoked a severe, foul-smelling logorrhea in certain posters here...

[safeinOhio]

16. I had a CCW instructor, a retired police detective,

that said to a student who was asking about carrying in a bar or club. "Why would you want to go anywhere that was so dangerous that you thought you needed to carry a gun". He was a very smart and experienced man.

[RSillsbee]

17. Why do you have a CCW

Why would you want to go anywhere that was so dangerous that you thought you needed to carry a gun?

[safeinOhio]

25. Simple

sometimes I have to go places I don't want to go.

Even you should be able to figure that one out.

[RSillsbee]

34. Nope,

If it's so dangerous you think you'll need a gun you shouldn't go there.

Sauce for the goose and all that

[safeinOhio]

35. I'll let you argue with the instructor

that said it.

[RSillsbee]

36. You must agree w/it or you wouldn't have posted it. NT

[safeinOhio]

41. Pretty much

He is a lot smarter and more experienced around personal carry than either you or I.

But then, he looks at guns as a tool, not a thing to worship.

[spin]

45. I don't worship guns but I do carry them ...

I agree that it's wise to avoid going to dangerous places, but that's just good advise for everybody.

In Florida, I can't legally carry in a bar. I can and do carry in the non bar portion of establishments such as restaurants or bowling alleys.

If it was legal, I would carry in a bar if I was not drinking (perhaps a designated driver). I would never carry and drink.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

57. The only people who seem to consider guns something to worship...

...are those in favor of gun control.

I've always considered guns a tool...nothing more.

[Atypical Liberal]

18. The same reason I drive places so dangerous I need seat belts. n/t

[GreenStormCloud]

38. Sometimes, even safe areas are dangerous.

Thugs don't confine themselves to only bad areas.

[PavePusher]

46. Some people are clairvoyant.

I, unfortunately, am not.

[Atypical Liberal]

19. Firearm rights advance again.

"A year after the change, The Miami Herald reported that the number of people in Florida with permits for concealed weapons tripled.

Lawmakers who support the statewide rules argue the same thinking as that behind the state’s uniform traffic laws. Gun owners, like drivers, travel and need uniform rules no matter where they are in the state.

“We have hundreds of government entities in Florida. If each one developed its own nuanced style of regulating gun laws, just someone crossing county lines could become a criminal,” said Rep. Matt Gaetz, the Fort Walton Beach Republican who sponsored the bill.

When asked why it why it was OK for state leaders to allow cities to beef up their local laws on a host of other issues, such as where sex offenders can live, but not gun control, the NRA’s Hammer replied, “sex offenders are not protected by the Constitution.”"

More freedom for lawful firearm carriers. The tide continues.

[SteveM]

55. The Texas Rifle Association and the Texas Civil Liberties Union both supported...

changes in Texas law which made more uniform laws allowing the transport of weapon across county lines. 'Seems a few years back goose hunters returning to Houston were stopped and cited for illegal transport of guns (shotguns were unloaded and plainly visible in the backseat), and the Harris County Sheriff came down on them hard.

He doesn't anymore.

[ileus]

28. The needs of many shouldn't be held hostage by the feelings of a few.

[ManiacJoe]

37. Excellect! Good job by Florida.

Consistant laws across the state are a good thing!

[spin]

39. Note that the CCW law passed in 1987 had state preemption of local gun laws ...

the problem was that no penalties were set up to fine local officials who decided to create their own local firearm laws. No one ever expected this to happen. Now local officials can be fined if they attempt to set up their own regulations for concealed carry.

You can read the details of the new law at http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2011/0045/BillText/er/HTML

Already the pompous little tyrants that were making their own gun laws have decided to clean up their act.

Gulf Breeze examines gun-related ordinances
4:09 PM, Jul. 20, 2011

The Gulf Breeze City Council this week OK’d changes to its code of ordinances that are meant to ensure the city has no gun regulation laws on its books that conflict with state gun laws.

***snip***

The changes are in response to House Bill 45, which goes into effect Oct. 1, and takes away any power for local governments to regulate firearms.

Anyone who enacts or enforces any law that could be construed as regulating firearms could be personally held legally responsible and face law suits and stiff civil fines.emphasis added

Mayor Beverly Zimmeran said these are major changes that “we are being forced to make.”
http://www.pnj.com/article/20110720/NEWS01/110720020/Gulf-Breeze-examines-gun-related-ordinances

The state sets the rules and they are supposed to be state wide. I should have no reason to know the local rules in every little town and burg as I travel if I have a state issued Concealed Weapons Permit. The state sets the rules on where I can and where I can't carry a firearm.

That's the way it should have been and now, finally, that's the way it is!

The new law will irritate the hell out of those who love bans and restrictions on everything from McDonald's french fries to firearms. That alone makes me smile.

[benEzra]

59. I'm sure Operation Rescue feels the same way about state abortion-law preemption

that prevent fundy-controlled localities from regulating abortion clinics out of existence.

[rl6214]

60. Normal drive-by spam

and NRA/GOP bullshit shtick