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mikeb302000 Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 02:05 AM
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The Problem With Toy Guns
http://livingston.patch.com/articles/airsoft-gun-play-too-realistic">These kids should be home playing Mortal Kombat on the computer. What the hell's wrong with the parents.

The boys, ages 13-16, were arrested on charges of disorderly conduct and causing a public alarm when they were found playing with five assault-type rifles, a shotgun, and five handguns in the woods behind Horizon School on Old Road, according to Det. Sgt. Anthony Dippold.


Gun-rights people like to mock all attempts at addressing this problem, but it does exist. Realistic-looking toy guns are used in crimes, they're blamed for police shootings, and what good are they anyway? Do kids gain anything useful by pretending to shoot each other with toys?

http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/">(cross posted at Mikeb302000)

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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 02:25 AM
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1. If all toy guns disappeared or turned orange, it would not prevent kids from doing dumb things.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001915.htm

I'm a whole lot more worried about automobiles, pools, faulty electrical wiring, ladders, and household chemicals.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 03:12 AM
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2. In certain versions of Mortal Kombat , you *decapitate* your foe.
But you prefer that to playing with toy guns. Why?
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mikeb302000 Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 04:46 AM
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3. Certain types of people
have no ability to discern humor or its more subtle forms like sarcasm and irony.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 08:17 AM
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14. And certain types of authors
have the ability to effectively convey meaning.
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:25 AM
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20. First you need an author who knows how to write humor NT
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 10:39 AM
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27. Certain blog spammers
use hyperbole to try and turn a fast Buck off the work of others.
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mikeb302000 Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 07:50 AM
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34. turn a fast buck, that's good n/t
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:18 AM
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37. I was being generous. nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:42 AM
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 04:47 AM
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4. “all looked realistic other than the orange tip at the muzzle,”
Big bright orange tips on every airsoft gun. I have lots of actual guns and not a one of them has an orange muzzle. Get it? Orange muzzle = not real gun. The 'problem' was addressed long ago.
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NewMoonTherian Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 05:38 AM
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5. I revile those stupid orange tips.
I still have a few of my old toy guns from back in the days before that garbage. One even has one of those nasty barrel shrouds! I always used to wonder what was the purpose of that crazy Swiss-cheesy thing around the barrel. Nobody could tell me.
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:17 AM
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17. Now criminals paint the ends of real guns orange.
One of the unintended consequences of making toy guns with orange tips is now criminals can paint the end of their guns orange to gain an advantage when confronted with police.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 10:28 AM
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24. I've never seen a news story about that.
Not saying it never happens, I just haven't heard of it happening before. I don't see how that would be much of an advantage over police, anyway.
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 10:36 AM
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26. Here ya go
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 11:14 AM
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29. A bit of orange paint and a real gun looks like a toy.
And a bit of black paint takes care of the orange tip.

You haven't solved the problem at all.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:16 PM
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33. I'm sorry, you obviously don't understand the question.
Please try to keep up.
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NewMoonTherian Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 05:53 AM
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6. My opinion is that there is no problem...
Edited on Wed Aug-03-11 05:54 AM by NewMoonTherian
beyond the hand-wringing of <I won't use the divisive term I really want to use here> who are so <divisive descriptor omitted> that they can't bear the thought of children playing in a way that doesn't fit their <omitted> ideology. There was no fear, there was no alarm. There was ideological outrage and a severely bored and overreaching police department.

And forgive me, but I am also of the opinion that you're really straining for fresh material to try and keep your blog relevant. I've got nothing against you, and we were in agreement on the cop shootings in one of your previous threads, but really, toys? Fifteen years ago, nobody would have noticed a bunch of kids in the woods playing with toys, let alone called police. Then again, maybe I'm just blessed to live in a community of mature, rational people.




(EDIT: Darn square brackets messed up my formatting.)
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:14 AM
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42. see post 41
but certainly keep on saying that Democratic legislators dream up solutions to non-existent problems and impose them on a subject populace.


Fifteen years ago, nobody would have noticed a bunch of kids in the woods playing with toys, let alone called police. Then again, maybe I'm just blessed to live in a community of mature, rational people.

Or maybe you live in a community where kids don't have access to caches of firearms in their siblings' bedrooms or concealed in public places -- in which circumstances it would be entirely reasonable for others in the community to perceive a potential risk in the situation in question.

Lucky you.
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DWC Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 07:29 AM
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7. Kids have been playing with toy weapons...
for thousands of years. This OP is nothing more than Political Correctness at its most ridiculous.

Semper Fi,
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 07:32 AM
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8. More hysteria whip, I see. n/t
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 07:35 AM
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9. I took my son's toy mp5 apart last night, it stopped shooting full auto.
Edited on Wed Aug-03-11 07:36 AM by ileus
It's a full scale HK mp5 airsofe with select fire...he's the envy of the neighborhood.


It appears to be something wrong in the switch, it's hard getting these Chinese POS apart to determine what's wrong. Could be mechanical, could be electrical. He'll have to use his airsoft pistols until I get this issue resolved.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 10:31 AM
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25. I've got a full auto paintball gun.
At my age I need an edge against the young fellers. Heh heh.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 07:44 AM
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10. My opinion? I think all your posts are blog spam and should be ignored


Except to call it blog spam. :hi:
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 08:05 AM
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11. The day I started shooting...
for real, the toy guns hit the trash in my home. My boys are experiencing the same thing right now. The realistic looking stuff is gone.

Arresting a kid for playing with a toy is just flat-out nuts. It's an admission that the grown-ups aren't smart enough to properly assess a threat. They do need to understand that pointing one at the wrong person can get them shot. And it would be a "good" shooting.

We're keeping the Nerf shooters because they are obviously not firearms. They do help me preach safe handling. Oh, and have you ever seen a nine year old clear a stair well? My kids can do it. It drives their buddies insane when they are playing Nerf in the house.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 11:20 AM
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30. It depends on what is meant by "playing" in this case
I agree that if the kids were just running around, battling amongst themselves, then this would be an over-reaction. But if the 'game' involved pretending to ambush passersby, or otherwise deliberately acting as a threat, or something else that took it beyond the play that we all remember, I can see the appropriateness of an arrest if the officers determined that a stern talking-to wasn't sinking in...
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 08:11 AM
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12. No gun sounds from Airsofts.
Odds are these kids were making more noise, running around and playing, than their 'guns' were. If someone cared to observe what was going on that would have been quickly apparent.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 08:14 AM
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13. No different than kids of prvious generations playing cowboys and indians...
Edited on Wed Aug-03-11 08:15 AM by OneTenthofOnePercent
The only difference is that today's "good guys and bad guys" carry M4's, AKs, and Shotguns.

Kids that have these toys should be taught responsibility and how to treat them.
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Remmah2 Donating Member (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 08:39 AM
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15. Much safer today.
When I was a kid they threw rocks, beat each other with swords (sticks) and launched bottle caps from home made sling shots. Air soft today has limits on projectile velocity and a whole lot of safety equipment is available.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 10:08 AM
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23. I know...we would have dirt clod wars--basically dodgeball with clumps
of dirt and rocks that we would hurl at each other. If kids tried that today, they'd probably get arrested for disorderly conduct and then some disgruntled ex-pat would write an OP scolding them and giving the ol' 'tut-tut' to their irresponsible parents.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 11:50 AM
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31. we threw chestnut burrs using gloves.... dirt clods and cow chips have nothing on burrs
Growing up on a Farm in WV there just wasn't much to do.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 11:58 AM
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32. Walnut fights-might as well have been baseballs.
And don't even mention half a wet corn cob. It sounded like a locust when it went by your ear.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:09 AM
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36. walnuts = stain....mom would beat you to death. n/t
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:09 AM
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16. Problem with people who have a problem with toy guns, war play, etc...
Setting our boys up for future failure…

I remember in my pre-teen and teenage years, playing war, cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians (I always loved being the Indian), pirates, tag, dodge ball (I sucked at it), fireman, etc… I grew up ok. Sure no-one is perfect, but overall I am a very kind and social individual. I have no fantasies of world domination, or a compelling need to wipe out a mall full of people with a machine gun. There are 100 million men in this country. I’m sure that a vast majority played the exact same games as I did. I am also sure that they are well adjusted adults as well. But those are just feelings.

I grew up with other boys who all played those same games with me. None of which turned to a life of crime. The same could be said for the tens of millions of other boys that played the exact same games. But for some reason there are those in today’s day and age that “feel” that we need to suppress this type of activity and behavior in our young boys. Why? Well, several reasons and all seem well and good on paper, but I don’t think our school systems nor have some parents thought out the impact it can have on our young boys. I have been reading on the topic for quite some time and there are several authors who I’m sure could elaborate on the impact far better than I ever could.

There are several factors at work right now in America that are working towards insuring that young boys are being setup to fail in their adult life. Now I’m sure that there are some who would exclaim "Good, it’s about time that women get ahead in this society." I don’t disagree with this sentiment, but I don’t think that anyone should be "ahead" of someone else at the expense of others. I am not interested in a debate about gender politics left over from the late 70’s. Yes, the struggle for equal rights for women continues and is quite real. There is so much work yet to be done, particularly when it comes to equality in the workplace. Yes, there need to be more women in computer fields and more women in board rooms and in Congress. But we don't get there by ignoring the very real struggles of young boys.

These "activities" are not acts of violence. They are behaviors. Boys don’t just play with guns, there has to be a reason why, which I will elaborate on.

One question I would like to ask of those who do not allow toy-guns, playing war, cops and robbers, etc… Is why are you doing that? Do these games somehow corrupt our young boys? Do you view these toys as encouraging aggressive behavior and violent attitudes? Do you see them as reinforcing gender stereotypes, with boys playing with guns or swords and girls playing with dolls or cooking sets?

To those questions I would add more questions. When was the last time you really, REALLY watched a group of boys playing some form of war? For those of you who did it as a young child, I would like you to think back. In all the war games we played, how much energy was expressed in the bloody carnage and the death and destruction? How important was the "gun"? Now ask yourself how much of the focus of these games was on the drama? The Oscar nominated, over-elaborate death scenes, or the hero tossing himself on the live grenade, or taking an arrow to the chest so that others may live? How many times did you hear the statement "Go on without me!" or "Save yourselves!"? How often did they go on without you? How often did they save themselves? How much of the game revolved around children, using their imaginations to model notions of courage and sacrifice? Were we just trying to experience the emotions at the extremes of human conduct: facing and overcoming fear to remain faithful to our fellow soldiers, cowboys, Indians, pirates, etc? How much of this pretend war was simply just the timeless theme of the struggle between good and evil in the face of overwhelming odds and certain death? Looking back now, I realize that we were not playing war, we were playing hero.

Everyone by the end of the day had at minimum, 4 purple hearts, a bronze star, and a company commendation. How many times during the playing of this war, were our toy guns pointed at each other? I can vividly remember where a group of 8 of us took on an imaginary army of no less than 500 enemies. How many times in playing can you remember pulling a comrade from the battlefield, to give them medical attention so that they could get back in the war? Again we were just playing hero.

But what happens when we suppress these behaviors in young boys? In today’s day and age, we are suppressing “natural” behaviors inherent in boys. We stopped keeping scores at little league games so our little snowflakes don’t know the horrors of losing. Everybody is a winner. We don’t allow kids to play tag in school. Because God forbid little Johnny has to know what it is like to be "out". Hell, in some schools running is forbidden on the playground.

Suppressing these behaviors is just a small piece in a bigger puzzle. The outcome of which is that our young boys are being setup for failure. Not only are we suppressing their inherent behaviors by not letting our young boys play and express themselves in ways they feel are natural, we are basically telling them that how they feel is "wrong". We give them the impression that they are somehow lesser people because we demonize their behavior. So not only are we suppressing them at school, we are also suppressing them at home and on the playground. So basically, nowhere is it ok for boys to just be boys.

So what are the outcomes?
“Boys get expelled from preschool at four times the rates of girls. They are prescribed the lion's share of ADHD medication, they get most of the C's and D's in middle school, and they drop out of high school more than girls. Currently, only 43% of undergraduates in the United States are men.

Let boys be boys by simply letting them engage in the aggressive fantasies that come to them naturally.

We might see them as doing something potentially dangerous. But actually what they're doing is playing around with ideas of courage and valor, good versus evil, and teamwork. These are ideas we want to inculcate in our culture."
Peg Tyre: “The trouble with boys”

Let's examine the way our child rearing and our schools have evolved in the last 10 years. Then ask ourselves this challenging question: could some of those changes we have embraced in our families, our communities and our schools be driving our sons crazy?

Instead of unstructured free play, parents now schedule their kids' time from dawn till dusk (and sometimes beyond.) By age 4, an ever-increasing number of children are enrolled in preschool. There, instead of learning to get along with other kids, hold a crayon and play Duck, Duck, Goose, children barely out of diapers are asked to fill out work sheets, learn computation or study Mandarin. The drumbeat for early academics gets even louder when they enter "real" school. Veteran teachers will tell you that first graders are now routinely expected to master a curriculum that, only 15 years ago, would have been considered appropriate for second, even third graders. The way we teach children has changed, too. In many communities, elementary schools have become test-prep factories—where standardized testing begins in kindergarten and "teaching to the test" is considered a virtue. At the same time, recess is being pushed aside in order to provide extra time for reading and math drills. So is history and opportunities for hands-on activities—like science labs and art. Active play is increasingly frowned on—some schools have even banned recess and tag. In the wake of school shootings like the tragedy at Virginia Tech, kids who stretch out a pointer finger, bend their thumb and shout "pow!" are regarded with suspicion and not a little fear.

Our expectations for our children have been ramped up but the psychological and physical development of our children has remained about the same. Some kids are thriving in the changing world. But many aren't. What parents and teachers see—and what this government study now shows—is that the ones who can't handle it are disproportionately boys.

But when nearly one in five boys has such serious behavioral and emotional issues that their parents are talking it over with their pediatrician, you can bet we are facing a problem that requires a more fundamental change in our society than medication or weekly therapy. Let's take a moment, before the school year gets any farther underway, and ask ourselves whether we are raising and educating our boys in a way that respects their natural development. And if we are not, let's figure out how we can bring our family life and our schools back into line.

Peg Tyre: Newsweek, Sept. 8, 2008


But do yourself a favor and remember. We are/were just boys. We enjoy using our imagination. We enjoy expressing ourselves. We do it differently from girls. Don’t demonize us for just being ourselves, we should foster our imaginations not suppress them. Men are not bad, nor are we the root of all evil. We are close, but not the root.

Thank you… I’m gonna go outside and build a fort. I hear the aliens are invading earth tonight.

Also, I would like to thank the girls that played right along with us. Not the damsel in distress, not the "love interest", but the bad-ass ninja assassins, the machine gunner, the medic, the warrior, the heroine...
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mikeb302000 Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 07:58 AM
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35. wow, what a comment
thanks for that food for thought.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:23 AM
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43. there was no nutrition in that "food for thought"
The song of the whining white male choir, lamenting the loss of its privilege and its entitlement to define what is "normal" for humanity as being based on its historical privileges.

One could refute that entire song, chorus and verse, with not too much difficulty, starting just by asking about those "gender stereotypes" and whether someone might not be begging the question there.

Patriarchy lives. Some like it, some don't.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:52 AM
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39. Awesome statement.
But you are talking to the person who claimed that "3-5 year olds can not be educated" on another site.

So, I'm not sure how much he'll take to heart.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:21 AM
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18. More blog spam...
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:23 AM
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19. Unrecc blogspam
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:26 AM
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21. Kids have been playing at being warriors since the beginning of time.
Face it. Kids always look up to heroes, and for all of recorded history the greatest warriors have been upheld has heroes. Man, by nature, is a violent creature. He has the instinct to fight, even if we largely suppress it today in civilized society.

To quote General Patton:

"Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bullshit. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight. When you, here, everyone of you, were kids, you all admired the champion marble player, the fastest runner, the toughest boxer, the big league ball players, and the All-American football players. Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to an American."

While Patton was clearly playing the nationalism angle, the desire to fight and win is not an American trait, it is a human one.

When I was a kid, about 4, my folks, mostly my mother, did not want me playing with guns. So they did not buy me any. Consequently, I scoured the woods finding sticks that were appropriately shaped like pistols and rifle to play with. My father pointed out to my mother that I could either play with real toy guns or I would simply fashion my own to play with, so finally my mother relented.

Honestly, I don't know where you go to find a decent looking toy gun anymore. I went to Walmart a couple of weeks ago to buy my son, who is almost 3, his first toy gun. None of the toy guns there looked anything like a real gun. They are all insanely comical in wild, garish colors. I ended up buying him a toy lever-action cap gun with a painted wooden stock from the local sporting goods store. It doesn't look much like a real gun, either, but it's better than the fantasy stuff at Walmart.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:55 AM
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40. Big 5, Acadamy Sports....
Walmart here has a number of low-priced air-soft guns.

If you want something that does not actually propell a projectile of any kind, or cap guns... http://www.411toys.com/

Google "cap guns".
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 10:00 AM
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22. Goes to show what you get
When the sight of kids playing...



Causes enough stupid people to get their collective panties in a wad....



You get this...



You seem to have forgotten, Federal law addressed this years ago be requiring that Airsoft and similar toys have the tips painted orange as the panic-stricken social engineers demanded..."to end the problem." Children have always had small imitations of things from the adult world and toy weapons are no exception. From a hand-carved wooden replica or swords, clubs and sabers to factory-produced pop guns and cap guns, toy weapons through centuries came in all sizes, styles and materials from wood to metal. It is also noted that you left out this quote from the article "The guns the Livingston teens were playing with 'all looked realistic other than the orange tip at the muzzle,' Dippold said." So, it seems, the kids arrested were within the Federal law and STILL subjected to arrest. In the 'old days,' a cop would have examined the toys, determined they were toys and sent them home, at most.

Completely "unforeseen" by the social engineers and bureaucrats of the Seventies and their current panic-prone offspring was the uncontrolled use of black spray paint by children or the inventiveness of criminals. Another foolproof idea vanquished be ever more clever fools.

Officer Safety Bulletin for the Hillsborough County Sheriffs Office (training Bulletin # TB-09-003. Dated Feb 23rd, 2009.)





On Feb 22nd, 2009 a patrol Deputy came across the above child’s super soaker. However what was found inside the power soaker was a Mossberg 12-gauge shotgun. Both the shotgun and the water soaker were fully functional.


Keep posting your enlightened thinking, you demonstrate your degrees....BS, MS, & PhD....Bullshit, More Shit, Piled Higher and Deeper.

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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 10:47 AM
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28. Pearl clutching for dollars.
You could spam better if you understood the issue.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:09 AM
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41. Pellet Gun Bill, a must read
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x10520

You really really have to read it.

Thu Sep-18-03 03:17 PM
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N.J. Lawmakers Press Pellet-Gun Bill

In early September, a 13-year-old boy was shot in the leg by police Capt. James Brady after the teenager refused to drop what appeared to be a real gun. The weapon was actually a toy "Air Soft" gun that shoots rubber pellets.

The legislation introduced by Assemblymen Gary Guear (D-Mercer) and Peter Barnes (D-Middlesex) would ban the sale or possession of any air, gas, or spring-powered gun that looks like a real gun.

In addition, the measure calls for penalties ranging from a $15,000 fine and five years in prison for selling such devices and a fine of up to $10,000 and 18 months in prison for possession.

But it's what follows that will have first your jaw and then you on the floor.

(Note that post 16 is missing its content -- the poster had translated the original news item as above into wingdingese so that what now appears as small italic font after "The only thing I can think of is that someone is wearing dirty glasses and actually saw this:" was in wingdings.)

I guess the bill passed, since an item about charges in New Jersey involving an air gun was posted in this forum in the last week.


I offer the theme song from the thread to whet your appetite:
There once was a man name of Pellet Gun Bill
If it were not for NJ Lawmakers he'd be with us still.
But to a sticky end young Billy did come
When he was pressed to give up his precious gun.

"From my cold dead hands" poor Billy did cry.
"O.K" said the sheriff and shot him in the eye
As into the dirt Billy's blood did run
The sheriff cooly blew the smoke from his gun

Now this might seem to be the story's end
But out from the shadows came the late pellet Billy's friend
He said to the cop "well Billy's up Boot hill"
"Cos, that what happens if you Press Pellet-Gun Bill"

I thank you



Now on a more serious note, I posted this earlier this week:


Cops try to tell the difference between fake and real under simulated conditions.

Watch the video and you can play too. ;)

http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2009/the_trouble_with_fake_guns/main.html

The exercise starts at 10:00, and then there's another segment of it at 16:45.

A realistic-looking fake gun can endanger the person holding it.
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