Indiana man arrested after pulling gun on man over argument on Facebook

[jpak]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/08/02/2011-08-02_indiana_man_arrested_after_pulling_gun_on_man_over_argument_on_facebook.html?r=news/national

A virtual argument between two Facebook users in northwestern Indiana turned into a real-life brawl, police said.

Brandon Melcic, 24, fired a gun outside his home after an unidentified 26-year-old man, upset over comments posted about him on the social-network site, showed up and started throwing rocks, police told the Northwest Indiana Times.

The unidentified man said he was there to talk to Melcic about the messages he left on Facebook.

Instead of keeping the fight online - or just deleting the offending words - Melcic pulled a gun and fired it twice into the ground, according to a police report.

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[Mr Dixon]

1. Nice

SMH

[DrDan]

2. I believe the NRA and its supporters consider sites such as facebook part of their expanding

Castle Doctrine and can be defended appropriately.

[friendly_iconoclast]

21. People have all sorts of interesting beliefs concerning the NRA, et al.

I try to avoid ridiculing them, as I respect the right of others to have their own religious beliefs.
If they insist that an article of their faith is true- well, that's another matter.

[iverglas]

24. snork

;)

[Hepburn]

3. Sticks and stones may break my bones...

...but names will never hurt me.

:shrug:

[daggahead]

4. Can't we all just get along? n/t

[valerief]

5. Isn't it magical and wonderful that anyone can get a gun at a gun show? Anyone. nt

[RC]

6. Oh, absolutely

Guns are the answer to everything. :sarcasm:

[valerief]

8. Wow, I got a response where someone didn't call me a moron and tell me to shut up. Love it! nt

[gejohnston]

13. Have not read many of your posts

but sarcasm and parroting hysterical fact free talking points does not help your cause.

[DonP]

15. When you work so hard to project an image you deserve success.

[SteveM]

20. With all due respect, you were merely called...

...a liar. And you can't/won't refute it.

[iverglas]

26. called a liar? what have I missed?

You mean that's what your colleague was saying when he called the statement of fact made "fact free"?

Gosh. I'm gobsmacked. I thought that one was the ... well, you know ...

[SteveM]

43. I wan't answering your post. nt

[iverglas]

25. you speak simple truth!

Now why would anyone call you a moron and tell you to shut up?

Oh wait, I think this thread may have started somewhere else and got flushed to the Guns forum.

Watch out, it seems to have started. The simple factual statement that anyone (oh, okay, not a 10-yr-old, you'd better qualify) can buy a gun at a gun show in the US is now called "Fact free".

Get out the body armour! There's a thread hereabouts discussing what kind to buy for patrolling your back yard in the dark, and one for advice on the best colour fanny pack to pack your pistol in ... also one on the best body part to put a bullet in when you're shooting somebody, if you're interested ...

[PavePusher]

30. Feel free to quote where someone has. n/t

[SteveM]

19. No. But you knew that. See: my comments above, since they apply to you. nt

[ileus]

10. Did he get the pistol legally or illegally at a gun show?

[gejohnston]

12. always legal at gun shows,

Remember the loophole? According to Al Qaida, the that even applies to machine guns. Think Progress posted it as true without fact checking, so it must be true.

[iverglas]

27. oh no, a fact-free statement

The sales are always legal at gun shows (unless they're sales by a licensed dealer to an ineligible person, of course). The purchases aren't. But this doesn't seem to matter a whole lot to some purchasers in question, oddly.

I wonder what might make it matter to them? Hmm, hmm, shall we ponder that question?

[gejohnston]

29. you missed the point

Most of them are licensed dealers. Technically, it is illegal for me too. The problem is the law does not allow me to make a background check. I was talking specifically about machine guns.
Al Qaida claimed anyone can buy machine guns at gun shows, many progressives sites like Crooks and Liars, and Think Progress repeated it as true without doing any fact checking.
You totally missed the point.

[iverglas]

31. nope, I didn't miss a thing

Most of them are licensed dealers.

And some of them aren't. So how many of them are really doesn't matter.

Al Qaida claimed anyone can buy machine guns at gun shows, many progressives sites like Crooks and Liars, and Think Progress repeated it as true without doing any fact checking.

What does that have to do with what the poster in this thread said? Nothing.

I was talking specifically about machine guns.

Nobody else was.


Ineligible purchasers CAN buy guns at gun shows as long as they avoid the licensed dealers. It's pretty much self-evident fact.

[gejohnston]

33. Private sale is a private sale

That is what you are talking about. They can happen at a gun show, yard sale, etc. But more likely from a a newspaper want ads section. That is what makes the "gun show loophole" a canard.

While some states do require that private sales be brokered through a FFL dealer, most do not. I know people who do it voluntarily even though Florida does not require it. With the feds, it could, and most likely would, conflict with the commerce clause.

[iverglas]

35. nobody said otherwise

Really, there is no turnip truck in my driveway.

They can happen at a gun show, yard sale, etc. But more likely from a a newspaper want ads section. That is what makes the "gun show loophole" a canard.

Nope. It's what makes gun shows one-stop-shopping for people looking for things that other people know they are looking for.

[gejohnston]

42. I must be going to the wrong gun shows

I have never seen anything they would be interested in or have the money for. Last one I went to there might be a guy selling a Nagant M1895 Revolver. The only place I found selling ammo for the thing is canadaammo.com Some things they do ship to the US, but not that. I did get a cool camp stove for backpacking from them, but I digress.

Never said there was, but many of your counter parts in the US certainly do. Your Swiss counterparts, who think they have the cure for the country's suicide rate, have a fleet of them.

[gejohnston]

11. not really true

since the majority of sellers are FFL holders must follow federal and state laws. The Columbine shooters got their guns through a straw purchaser who was busted and did federal time, not at a gun show.
Oh wait. Just got the memo. Al Qaida said anyone can buy machine guns at any gun show, some half assed journalist parroted it and posted it on a couple of websites. Which means if I know better, I must be some kind of teabagger.


I doubt either one of these clowns would know what a gun show was.

[RSillsbee]

16. The Columbine shooters

Actually did get a couple of their guns at a gun show. They were purchased by an 18 YO girl (straw purchase) who was legal to buy them but they were purchased at a gun show.

As a result all gun sales at a gun show must go through a NICS check. The law didn't address the issue at all and would have had no effect on the sale had it been in place (A straw purchase is still a straw purchase) but it makes people feel good

[ManiacJoe]

17. Both she and the seller went to jail for the illegal sale,

according to newspaper reports.

[RSillsbee]

23. I said that

The sale was illegal even at a gun show. I was just pointing out that the sale did ,in fact, take place at a gun show

[ManiacJoe]

36. Yes, you did.

I was just pointing out that this was one of the few that actually got prosecuted.

[RSillsbee]

41. I think you just hit an important point

we need to start prosecuting straw purchases

[Remmah2]

14. Fail nt

nt

[SteveM]

18. Actually, you are wrong. Again...

If you are an individual seller, you can sell guns from over your kitchen table, as long as you follow the laws in your jurisdiction, state and federal (example: you cannot sell handguns to teenagers). This applies to gun shows, which are rent-a-hall affairs wherein you purchase "table (re kitchen table) space." If you are an FFL dealer at a gun show (and there are many), you must follow the NICS test procedures (the service is provided), as well as the laws of your jurisdiction. In addition, LEOs are always present.

This might explain why only 2-3% of thug gun purchases are made at gun shows.

I'm sure you knew that, but gun-controller/banners need to be reminded (and viewers of these threads need to be exposed to) how controller/banners operate: by repetition of lies.

All clear, now?

[iverglas]

28. ah, the perennial question

This might explain why only 2-3% of thug gun purchases are made at gun shows.

For anyone confused, our friend is referring to "crime guns" and I believe probably to surveys of prison inmates concerning where they got the guns they used in committing crimes.

Can you confirm? The source of your stat?

I believe such surveys show that firearms used by criminals are most commonly acquired "on the street".

Onto which they fell like lawn darts from the sky, obviously, and just lay there waiting for some thug to pick them up.

I'll bet none of them were bought at gun shows, anyhow.



typo fixed

[gejohnston]

37. From the BATFE,

you can find the report with a little google fu, you know, homework.

[iverglas]

38. actually, it's customary for soneone who throws out data

to provide the source of the data, and on the internet, to provide a link if such exists.

Still wondering where all those firearms obtained "on the street" came from ... although I've been wondering that for some years now, so don't feel rushed.

[gejohnston]

39. I'll see if they put it online

How do British drug dealers and gangsters get sub-machine guns? Not from us. Open bolt SMGs are not that hard to make with the right tools from say, a 1940s bicycle repair shop or shade tree mechanic. I read a BBC article, I put the link in a post a few weeks ago, that you can buy a slightly used SMG for 200 pounds in London.

As for the guns, depends on where you are at. In Europe they follow the drug trade routes, stolen from militaries, police, or corrupt factory managers (common in China) or made in the basement. The drug cartels in Mexico get theirs that way. Or some from the black market from abroad. They could be making their own too.

The US is the exception to that rule. If your ideal gun laws were to happen in the US, same thing would happen. The drug cartels, who build submarines, would bring guns north with the drugs. If guns are smuggled to Canadian gangs by making straw purchasers here, they must be very expensive. a pistol, new or used, are 350-1200 dollars. No one is going to risk prison for free or at a loss. You get the picture. I did read of a bust in BC a few years ago, where ATF and RCMP worked together to close down a smuggling operation. It was an organized gang. Many of the guns in the pic were full auto (including machine pistols with detachable shoulder stocks, not something you would find in Jack's Gun Shop.)

Your rural domestic issue still escapes me. My mom was one of the first people to teach me how to shoot a revolver. A revolver my oldest brother bought in a gun shop in Hamburg, (then) West Germany. I was certainly not the only one. The women that raised me and I saw around me would not be intimidated by shit. I am talking about farm and ranch women that can throw bales of hay and shoot well. Women are naturally better marksman. That is why guns= misogyny = patriarchs stopping equality seems so, well, crack pot nonsense. But then, Wyoming and Idaho is not Alberta or Ontario.

[LeftinOH]

7. Facebook provides an option to delete & block people from one's list of friends; it's

less dangerous than pulling a gun on someone. Just a thought.

[PavePusher]

34. Someone was physically attacking him.

Maybe you missed that part?

[ileus]

9. wonder how melcic's attacker found his address...

I think pepper spray and a 911 call would have probably solved his problem quicker than discharging a firearm. If you're going to pull the trigger your life better be in danger and the gun pointed at the threat.

[rl6214]

22. Unrec for normal drive-by spam

[petronius]

32. Isn't there an app for that?

:shrug:

[Union Scribe]

40. Let me correct a sentence there.

"Instead of keeping the fight online - or just deleting the offending words - Melcic pulled a gun..."

should read:

"Instead of keeping the fight online, a fucking maniac hunted a man down and almost got his stupid ass shot off..."