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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 12:57 PM
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Will Wasserman-Schultz's gun-control positions help her in Party Chair job?

Congresswoman Wasserman-Schultz was selected as Democratic Party Chair last May 5. Will her positions on gun-control help or hinder her role as Chair, and how will GOPers use her positions to damage the chances of electing Democrats, esp. in "swing" districts?

http://www.ontheissues.org/FL/Debbie_Wasserman_Schultz.htm#Gun_Control

http://www.opencongress.org/wiki/Debbie_Wasserman_Schultz
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 12:59 PM
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1. hey, at least
your party's house leader hasn't just been outed as a closet separatist. ;)

I know, I know, you don't get it, but be grateful for small mercies, is what I say.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:10 PM
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3. I get it. I find Turmel's backing and filling quite amusing, in a mordant way.
We had to deal with Robert Byrd's background, so I can't point too many fingers.

Do you think she will jump, fall, or be pushed? I'm inclined to believe the words "due to unspecified health reasons", or perhaps
"spend more time with her family" loom large in her future...
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 08:15 PM
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8. she'd never been publicly known
to have any sovereignist leanings at all, that I know of, and I've known who she was for years -- head of one of the biggest baddest unions here, the Public Service Alliance of Canada -- representing most federal public servants. That's one reason she was a good choice: she's been dealing with the bastards a long time. And she has a long history with the NDP.

But she'll pretty much have to go I expect. Don't need the diversion.

Of course, the Conservative benches have been warmed by a lot of former Bloc Québécois and Parti Québécois bums over the years. I was hearing about Maxime Bernier having been one or the other the other day ... ew, I've ended up at the Toronto Sun, but it's all the same:

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/08/03/interim-ndp-leader-remains-under-fire
Conservative cabinet minister Maxime Bernier, who was called out by the New Democrats Tuesday for his work in the office of former Quebec premier and Parti Quebecois leader Bernard Landry, said he can't be compared to the NDP interim leader.
Mr Bernier, he of the buxom ganster moll girlfriend at whose home he left (and never went back to get) top secret documents when he was unbelievably to start with Minister of Foreign Affaris, is back in the cabinet.

This one's just good for a giggle:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/is-maxime-bernier-a-tourist-attraction/article2100960/

Anyhow, Turmel, the actual view from (anglo) Quebec:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Turmel+sovereigntist+fling+surprise+Quebecers/5199310/story.html
Interim NDP leader Nycole Turmel's flirtation with the Bloc Quebecois should come as no surprise to anyone familiar with the political landscape in Quebec, analysts say.

Turmel's support for the separatist party for several years is indicative of the province's larger embrace of nationalism.

University of Ottawa political science professor Claude Denis noted the NDP wooed voters in Quebec in the last election — including many Bloc supporters — by offering a new openness to Quebec's national identity.

"It's no surprise that someone like Ms. Turmel, who is a left-wing francophone Quebecer, was at one point sovereigntist," said Denis.
Bernier just can't quit yapping; what a moron:
Conservative minister Maxime Bernier, who once worked within the separatist Parti Quebecois government, questioned whether Turmel has a hidden agenda.
Yeah, she's a stealth separatist planning to take over the federal government ... from the opposition benches ...

The Bloc actually was for years a strong voice for the left in Parliament, notwithstanding anything else.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:06 PM
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2. hmm
Will gun militants use her positions on this issue

Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)
Close the Gun Show Loophole; restrict show sales. (May 2009)

(wow, what a fanatic) to defeat a party whose candidates hold positions like hers on, oh, health care:

Require insurance companies to cover mammograms at age 40. (Nov 2009)
Extend health care to every uninsured child and young adult. (Nov 2004)
Voted YES on regulating tobacco as a drug. (Apr 2009)
Voted YES on expanding the Children's Health Insurance Program. (Jan 2009)
Voted YES on overriding veto on expansion of Medicare. (Jul 2008)
Voted YES on giving mental health full equity with physical health. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on Veto override: Extend SCHIP to cover 6M more kids. (Jan 2008)
Voted YES on adding 2 to 4 million children to SCHIP eligibility. (Oct 2007)
Voted YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D. (Jan 2007)
Voted NO on denying non-emergency treatment for lack of Medicare co-pay. (Feb 2006)
Provide mental health services for older Americans. (May 2005)
Establish a national childhood cancer database. (Mar 2007)
Require insurers to cover breast cancer treatment. (Jan 2011)

... or Iraq ...

The Iraq war diverted our efforts in fighting terrorism. (Nov 2004)
Voted YES on investigating Bush impeachment for lying about Iraq. (Jun 2008)
Voted YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)
Voted NO on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
Sanctions on Iran to end nuclear program. (Apr 2009)

... or reproductive rights ...

Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Jan 2007)
Voted YES on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Emergency contraception for rape victims at all hospitals. (Sep 2006)
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)
Provide emergency contraception at military facilities. (Apr 2007)
Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)
Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception. (Jan 2009)

... or "civil rights" ...

Voted YES on prohibiting job discrimination based on sexual orientation. (Nov 2007)
Voted NO on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman. (Jul 2006)
Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
Rated 100% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 94% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery. (Jun 2008)
ENDA: prohibit employment discrimination for gays. (Jun 2009)
Ratify CEDAW (Discrimination Against Women). (Jan 2011)
Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees. (Dec 2007)
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment. (Mar 2007)
Give domestic partnership benefits to Federal employees. (May 2009)
Recognize the 40th anniversary of Stonewall. (May 2009)
Honor the 100th anniversary of the NAACP. (Jan 2009

Hell, I could even vote for her myself.


So how do you plan to get this show on the road? Will posting vague insinuations about her "positions on gun-control" here?
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:14 PM
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4. Other than her two 2A votes, all other votes seem to be great...IMHO
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:15 PM
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5. +1 or even 2
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:24 PM
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6. I like her record, her faith-based opposition to guns aside.
Let's see if she values that more than a Democratic majority. The marginal costs of alienating the gun control lobby
are far less than the real costs of the Republicans continuing their control of the House. They'll never vote Republican,
and the Greens are a joke. Let them occupy themselves with op-eds and futile protests against Starbucks.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 03:30 PM
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9. I agree with her on her other stands...
I think gun-control/banning is some sort of rite of passage, exercised in dark caves with torches and white-robed wizards in attendance, whereby future Democratic law-makers must sign a pledge supporting SOME kind of control or they will have to answer to the GOD OF...

...something...

somewhere...

...at least someone told me...

Otherwise, you will not be deemed cool, and no one will invite you to parties. that's it. yeah.
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:34 PM
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15. Funny how people seem to omit
The Right to Keep and Bear Arms under the "civil rights" section.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 02:55 PM
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7. The background info for gun control is dated
From OnTheIssues.org.

Right to Bear Arms
  • The Supreme Court ruled in 1939, in a case called "US v. Miller," that the 2nd amendment only protects guns suitable for a well-regulated militia -- for example, sawed-off shotguns can be banned because they're not "ordinary military equipment".
  • Since 1939, the Supreme Court has not heard any further 2nd amendment cases; the most recent ruling, in 1997, overturned part of the 1993 Brady Bill, but did not address 2nd amendment rights.
  • Hence, gun control issues are primarily the subject of Congressional legislation.


http://www.ontheissues.org/Background_Gun_Control.htm



So that's already not as useful as it should be.

So she co-sponsored a renewal of the AWB in 2007, thinks gun makers should be liable for mis-use of guns, and wants to require all private sales go through a dealer by flogging the "gun-show loophole" meme.

:shrug:

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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 03:47 PM
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10. overstate your case much?
Fact:

Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)

You:

So she ... thinks gun makers should be liable for mis-use of guns ...


I know that personally, I think that legislating to preclude any civil action is bad public policy.

Maybe she thinks the same.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:43 PM
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11. So I can count on your supporting the repeal of...
...Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act?
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:24 AM
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12. yup - and she won't take any shit from the GOP/NRA mo-rans either
yup
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:35 AM
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13. Your political analysis is on a par with your knowledge of guns.
You certainly are consistent, I'll give you that....
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:04 PM
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14. She needs to find another site where GOPers post. Perhaps you're up on those? nt
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