(Sen. Tom) Coburn (R-moran) : Good thing I can't pack a gun (on Senate floor)

[jpak]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61629.html

Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) ripped his colleagues during a tour of northeast Oklahoma, calling them “career elitists,” “cowards” and said, “It’s just a good thing I can’t pack a gun on the Senate floor.”

Coburn’s gun-on-the- floor comment comes less than a month after Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) made a triumphant return to the Capitol and the House floor following her shooting in the head in January outside a Tucson supermarket.

At the time of the shooting, in which six people were killed, there were briefly calls for re-instituting the federal ban on high-capacity ammunition clips and beefing up protection for members of Congress. None of the proposals gained significant traction since.

Coburn’s remarks on Wednesday, reported by the Tulsa World, represent a tour de force of conservative thought. He said the nation’s health care system was better before Medicare existed, even as he noted that some people received poor care at the time and doctors often accepted baked goods or chickens in partial payment.

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One more reason for gun-free zones

R-douchebagger fail

yup

[Skinner]

1. Unfuckingbelievable.

What an ass.

[iverglas]

18. yeah, but

Don't be surprised if somebody finds some other pithy quote from him and posts it here as support for their argument. Happens all the time. A few of us keep looking for the "liberal" opinion sources that support the policy positions of a majority of the posters in this forum ... Diogenes lives ...


http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Tom_Coburn.htm

Tom Coburn on Gun Control

Both Carson and Coburn have 100% NRA records. (Oct 2004)
Voted YES on allowing firearms in checked baggage on Amtrak trains. (Apr 2009)
Voted YES on prohibiting foreign & UN aid that restricts US gun ownership. (Sep 2007)
Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
National cross-state standard for concealed carry. (Jan 2009)
Rated A by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Aug 2010)
Individual right to self-defense at home and as self-defense. (Jan 1999)
Ban gun registration & trigger lock law in Washington DC. (Mar 2007)
Allow firearms in National Parks. (Feb 2008)
Apply concealed carry permit to all other states where legal. (Feb 2009)
Dangerousness, not mental incompetence, limits gun rights. (Mar 2009)

(He's also a stunningly putrid anti-choice piece of shit, quelle surprise)

Perhaps I'll start a poll to see who here doesn't agree with any of that.

Actually, I don't have to ...

Strange to see you visit. You should drop by more often. One might almost think nobody ever notices this place.



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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=448874&mesg_id=448874

One will find much support for Coburn's firearms policy positions in that thread, right under this one at the moment.

Of course, true, it can be hard to tell the Democrats from the Republicans in all this, these days.

[iverglas]

19. oh, while you're here

I thought I'd try recommending this thread to see what happened.

Recommendations still = 0.

A thread about a preposterous, outrageous, nasty thing said by a far right-wing Republican representative -- unrecommended to within an inch of its life.

I gather there is skepticism about the idea that there are herds of "unrec"ers wandering the site ...

[LAGC]

28. Hey, I'm pro-gun and I Rec'ed this thread.

(Still at zero.)

It is funny how its always the Republicans who say outrageous things about guns.

Even the pro-gun Democrats are much more tactful with their words, it seems.

[TheWraith]

29. They say outrageous things about guns because they can't say outrageous things about nooses.

But that's what they're really thinking.

[xchrom]

2. that's really pretty stunning -- but i have to consider the coburn source. nt

[sinkingfeeling]

3. And did he mention that 74 of 77 Oklahoma counties are getting federal assistance due to

prolonged drought?

[no_hypocrisy]

4. Maybe Coburn would prefer more action than words in Senate "debate".

[Tippy]

5. I feel we will hear more of this kind of talk, he is playing Palens game now....

[Tuesday Afternoon]

6. stfu and sit down you callous moron.

[rrneck]

7. The silly season seems to start earlier every year.

And gets sillier.

[hobbit709]

8. He might find out that some Democrat has better aim.

[one-eyed fat man]

12. Actually, now that I think about it

The last Senator to make headlines over a gun in the Senate chamber was one Thomas Dodd, from Connecticut. He is the father of former Senator Christopher Dodd and was one of only six people censured by the Senate in the 20th century. A staunch proponent of gun control who proposed various handgun bans though the Fifties and Sixties and author of the Gun Control Act of 1968 had his Colt's Pocket Model fall out of his coat on the floor of the US Senate. It caused a small stir and ruffled feathers over charges of hypocrisy.

"He might find out that some Democrat has better aim."

History appears to dispute that premise.

"Dueling with Sword and Pistol" by Paul Kirchner

Prior to the Civil War, Sen. Ben Wade (R-Ohio) said something on the floor which was deemed insulting to Sen. Robert Toombs (D-Ga), and a friend told Toombs, "you must challenge the old wretch!" Toombs replied, "No, I mustn't, for that old wretch is the deadliest shot in the District. Wade and I have been out practicing many times together, and he can hit a ten-cent piece at thirty paces every time, and to tell you the truth, sir, I cannot!"

Makes you wonder? Is this the reason the Democratic Party promotes an anti-gun platform?



Dodd and son, Chris, in 1946. Image from newsweek.com

[iverglas]

20. makes you wonder indeed

Makes you wonder? Is this the reason the Democratic Party promotes an anti-gun platform?

Of course, what I wonder is why someone chooses to come to this site and disparage Democratic Party policy with deceitful language and demagoguery fit for its enemies like that ... even if the silly statement itself was meant as a joke, which is hard to tell since it would be such a very poor one if so.

[one-eyed fat man]

27. Maybe it is the dissonance

Anti-gun senators dropping their gun on the floor of the Senate chamber. Anti-gun columnists who use an illegally possessed handgun to shoot teenagers skinny dipping in their pool. Million Mom co founders or Million Mom chapter presidents who use illegal guns in attempted murders and drug deals.

Party loyalty is a mighty thin reason to accept what appears to be a blatant double standard or hypocrisy. Membership does not preclude one from advocating a change in policy.

As to dueling, I have long maintained lawyers worked hard to get dueling outlawed. As a means of solving interpersonal disputes, there is a certain elegance. You are either eminently satisfied with the outcome or not in a position to bitch.

Now, only about half-sarcastically, the incentive is for the attorneys to continue the proceedings until one or both parties is bankrupted by the legal fees.

[gejohnston]

31. three years in a row

at least in skeet anyway.
http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/story/1305180107xjjb9zkm1tz

[gejohnston]

9. I am lost

what does this have to do with gun policy other than Coburn using the word while saying something stupid?

It’s just a good thing I can’t pack a gun on the Senate floor

He would be violating DC law getting to the senate floor.

[jpak]

10. You are

yup

[SteveM]

15. Coburn's punking out; knows many Dems & MSM cow down...

...and quite often attack each other when the GOPer starts husslin' himself.

[gejohnston]

30. then we both are,

So we agree that the odds of seeing this guy at a MENSA meeting is a lot less than seeing you at an NRA convention, what does this have to do with us exactly?

[ileus]

13. gun words kill people???

[Kennah]

16. There's been speculation about the Deputization of members of Congress so they CCW anywhere

This tends to put the speculation to rest.

http://www.justice.gov/olc/depmar.htm

"... the Marshals Service cannot continue to grant requests from members of Congress for special deputation."

They used to do it, but the practice was discontinued by 1994. It's possible Dubya restarted it, particularly post 9/11.

[ileus]

11. DAO or a old fashioned SA revolver?

[gejohnston]

14. probably DAO a real old fashioned

SA, unlike the Ruger New Model Black Hawks for example, is probably too complicated for him.

[Kennah]

17. Reminds me of Zell Miller challenging Chris Matthews to a duel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuBnlNjZq24

So, what I am supposed to conclude from this? That Coburn is an asshole? I already knew that. It's possible some didn't already know that, but I daresay there's darned few of them here.

[iverglas]

21. Tom Coburn introducing one of our colleagues' pet projects

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3874162

The Senate voted 67-29 to add a gun-rights provision to the consumer credit card bill on Tuesday, handing a victory to Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), who has employed a variety of procedural tools to advance the gun measure over the last two years.

... with loud applause in post 20 from one of the long-time, er, Democratic Party stalwarts in this forum.



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and an example of a gun in a National Park (the measure in question above)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5818473

Sadly, the vocal, er, gun afficionado in that thread is no longer with us ... oops, make that two.

[PavePusher]

22. More Jello from you? Whodathunk it.

Sadly, you are, of course, completely wrong about your second citation.

Since you claim an advanced understanding of the law that you have repeatedly denied the rest of us, I can only surmise that your association with the truth is tenuous by deliberate choice.

[iverglas]

24. such eloquence!

Does Google offer a translate-the-insult service now?

Too bad it doesn't use words to mean what they mean. Your problem is with an assumed fact in my post, nothing to do with law.

Yes, it seems that I adopted the common mistake that the Museum is a US National Park. It seems it is not, it is just that the Parks Service police were the first to respond:
http://uspppressroom.blogspot.com/2010/10/award-from-anti-defamation-league.html

Gosh, we need a mea culpa idiot-icon.

In any event, I think you do know perfectly well that I don't focus much on firearms laws that depend on non-law-abiding people obeying them. A politically motivated attack in a National Park would be an outlier in any event and not do much to advance anyone's case: firearms regulation advocates or firearms laissez-faire advocates, for instance.

Me, I'd be looking at how the person got the gun, and why.

And still not seeing any reason to permit any ordinary member of the public to wander around in public with a firearm, be it at the local mall or on the National Mall.

[PavePusher]

25. Well clarified, but your initial assumption was wrong for an entirely different reason.

I should leave it as an exercise...

The carry-in-National-Parks law is dependant upon the law of the State that the park is in. Since D.C. is not a state, I'm not sure how that applies, but if it does, carry is null-and-void anyway, as D.C. unConstitutionally restricts carry to the priviledged elite and their hired thugs. And since he was carrying with criminal intent, illegal on that front as well.

His actions, of course, had nothing to do with those of legal, peaceful Citizens, but that wouldn't fit your Jello mold, would it...

"Slip sliding away, slip sliding away
You know the nearer your destination, the more you slip sliding away..."

[iverglas]

23. here's a really really good one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x223126

A thread -- at Democratic Underground (yeah, in the Guns forum) -- that starts out with an article by a character named John M Snyder.

http://www.humanevents.com/search.php?author_name=John+M.+Snyder

John M. Snyder
Mr. Snyder, former National Rifle Association magazine editor, is public affairs director of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms and a director of the Council for America. He is the founder of the St. Gabriel Possenti Society and author of "Gun Saint."

This one is just freaking bizarre:
http://www.possentisociety.com/default.asp

The St. Gabriel Possenti Society, Inc. today ripped into gun prohibitionists in the Catholic Church hierarchy and suggested gun owners place a written or printed message of complaint in collection baskets as an initial form of protest.

Society chairman John M. Snyder said "the forthcoming beatification of Pope John Paul II comes as a welcome spiritual torpedo moving against anti-gun owner Catholic Church bureaucrats."

:silly:

But we know what the Council for America is:
http://www.councilforamerica.org/

Well, yeah ... :silly:

So hm, maybe gun militant organizations are single-issue, but the individuals in their upper echelons aren't, I guess.

Anyhow. The article that thread starts out with says:

Tue May-19-09 02:31 PM
Original message
Gun-rights movement galvanized and growing

"When the Senate voted recently for a pro-gun proposal by an overwhelming 67-29 bipartisan margin, it reflected the strength of the grass roots gun rights movement galvanized by massive opposition to the perceived anti-gun owner nature of the Obama administration," John M. Snyder suggested here today. ....

..... "This wasn't supposed to be the case," said Snyder. "Gun grabbers thought they had it made with Obama. They thought they'd be able to get through Congress just about any kind of idiotic anti-gun legislation they wanted. They thought they'd be able to stop any kind of pro-gun legislation that came up. They were shocked when the Senate accepted an amendment to the credit card bill by Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma to allow people to carry loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges. ....

..... Gun-grabbing politicians, academics and media personnel for years "have made a tremendous mistake," said Snyder. "That mistake has been the belief that an organization or group of organizations constitutes a 'gun lobby' and is the political force which gives firearms interests their political strength. Gun organizations give voice to gun owners. The real 'gun lobby' is the tens of millions, actually scores of millions, of American citizens who own guns. According to estimates between 90 and 100 million Americans own 200 million rifles, shotguns and handguns. ....

..... What gun grabbers attack when they think they are attacking the 'gun lobby' really is the American people, or a very large portion of the American people. AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET MAD AND REACT" .....

..... Snyder noted also that, "even though the country is going through a period of severe economic difficulty, Americans are buying guns and ammunition as they never have before, and have been since the coming to political preeminence of Obama. Americans are buying between a million and a million and a half guns a month, and have been for the last several months.

"The message is loud and clear: Obama and gun grabbers generally are producing a tremendous backlash, a backlash that is galvanizing tens of millions of Americans into a political force that well may be without precedent" .....

..... What was thought, by a lot of gun owners, to be an age of peril for them.....has instead become an age of peril for the gun-grabbers in the United States. ....

http://www.expertclick.com/NewsReleaseWire/Senate_Vote_Shows_Obama_Galvanizes_American_Gun_Rights_Movement_Suggests_Washington_Senior_Rights_Activist,200926899.aspx

While his tone is a bit terse, Snyder's clearly reflecting on the concerns of gun owners, given President Obama's previous record on gun-rights as well as the comments made by Holder, Napolitano, Clinton, DiFi, and others during his first few months in office.

He's absolutely spot on with his current description of the gun-rights movement and its growing influence. Its getting much harder for anti-gun pols to blame their failures on the NRA and absolve themselves of responsibility for making the American gun culture what it is today.

What in the name of anything you like was that piece of drek, approved by the poster, doing at this website?

Some people should be shot at dawn for their doggerel alone:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/give-kids-the-gift-of-safety-for-christmas-says-telum-associates-llc-58639457.html

"This Christmas let's present our young citizens with the gift of safety in the schools," says right to self defense advocate John M. Snyder, Manager of Telum Associates, LL.C.

Snyder conveys the message on a custom designed Christmas card featuring an image of Santa Claus brandishing a handgun as he protects frightened school children from a crazed gunman about to enter their classroom. A copy of the image is available on request by emailing xxxxxxx.

Snyder sent copies of the post card to the President, Supreme Court justices, members of Congress and other public officials.

"See Santa who just in time defends," proclaims an accompanying verse, "classmates, teachers and their friends, gun-right carry laws should extend into our classrooms, we contend!"

More applause for Coburn here ... and yes, here in this forum:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x223233

Oh, here's a good one -- not in the Guns forum:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1966100

Wed Oct-03-07 11:31 AM
Original message
Oklahoma Senator (Coburn-R) Blocks Widely Accepted Gun Bill

Oklahoma Senator Blocks Widely Accepted Gun Bill

The nation's first new firearms law in more than a decade, born of the shooting deaths at Virginia Tech, is being blocked in the Senate by a single lawmaker who says it costs too much.

The bill, which has passed the House on a voice vote, has bipartisan backing and the National Rifle Association's support. It is designed to improve the federal system for checking gun buyers' mental health history in order to block purchases by those diagnosed as mentally ill.

The lawmaker who put the hold on the bill, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), contends that the bill would create "a pathway by which individuals can lose their Second Amendment rights but no pathway through which they can gain them back if they're stable."

"I believe individual rights should be guaranteed," Coburn said.

He's more gun militant than the gun militants in chief at the NRA.

Same story in LBN, with a little notice from this forum:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3108232
... disapproving of the bill ...


This has been an interesting education; I am not actually familar with every dirtbag politician in the US. ;)

What I am is just perennially gobsmacked at how someone like this appalling Tom Coburn can be so foully wrong about every single other thing under the sun AND SO RIGHT ABOUT FIREARMS CONTROL -- according to a large body of posters in this forum. And like, not just him, eh? It's a bit of a pattern. If I had bedmates like them ...

[Logical]

26. Keith just tore him up. He has always been an idiot!