Why have high capacity magazines?

[guardian]

For when you have a group of 'flash mob' attackers coming to beat the hell out of you. Use one magazine to drop as many of the attackers as possible. Use the second magazine drop anyone trying to follow you as you exit the scene.


http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/08/09/Philadelphia-targets-youth-flash-mob-attacks/UPI-97931312896053/
http://www.wisn.com/news/28774396/detail.html
http://www.wisn.com/r/28774396/detail.htmlhttp://www.newsworks.org/index.php/local/item/24605-teen-mob-attacks-spring-up-across-us
http://www.jsonline.com/news/127915983.html
http://www.avclub.com/philadelphia/articles/av-club-editor-injured-in-flash-mob-attack-in-phil,58134/
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-06-08/news/chi-race-and-the-flash-mob-attacks-20110608_1_flash-mob-attacks-race-question

[RC]

1. Fantasize much?

[GreenStormCloud]

2. Flash mob attacks won't last long.

Before too long they will attack an armed person and then the fun will go out of it.

[guardian]

3. Probably

But until then, sounds like a good time to swap out that 1911 for a 9mm XDM with 19 + 1 as your EDC.

[TheWraith]

24. I think that's silly.

If size isn't an issue, you'd be better off with an FNP-45 carrying 14+1.

[flamin lib]

4. Claymore. This side to flash mob. nt

[guardian]

5. A bit heavy

for my frame and would print a lot with business casual. Also hard to reload. :dilemma: Now the South Africans have a good idea for auto protection...

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9812/11/flame.thrower.car/
Flamethrower now an option on S. African cars


The Blaster (also called the "BMW Flamethrower") was a 1998 invention by South African inventor Charl Fourie designed to provide a defence against carjackings.
The invention came in response to the increasingly severe violent crime situation in South Africa, which in 1998 had already made the country (particularly Johannesburg, South Africa) the per capita murder, assault, rape and carjacking capital of the world.<1> The Blaster was a liquefied petroleum gas flamethrower installed along the sides of the vehicle under the doors. Should a group of carjackers suddenly attack the vehicle while it is stopped in traffic (the typical scenario), the occupant could flip a switch and direct 5 metre plumes of flame upward into the facial area of anyone trying to enter the vehicle through the doors or windows. Fourie claims it is unlikely to kill but would "definitely blind" the assailant. In South Africa, it is legal to use lethal force in self-defence if in fear of one's life, and ownership of flamethrowers is unrestricted.

[GreenStormCloud]

10. Facial area? That looks like it would hit a carjacker in the groin. N/T

[TheWraith]

25. Also, bad for the decor. nt

[gravity556]

6. Plus then you don't have to carry a bunch of 8 round mags.

That's why I switched from a 1911 to a G19-double the rounds in the gun, less weight and a reload. No such thing as too much ammo.

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. Yeah. Just do it.

Bwahahahaha.

[Hoyt]

8. How do you know when to fire? A group comes toward you, do you start shooting because they "look"

like they are going to beat the hell out of you?"

You guys really need to get into something worthwhile.

[GreenStormCloud]

11. There is a protocol for that situation too. N/T

[ProgressiveProfessor]

20. There's and app for that

[ileus]

9. Stock up on 30's while you can....20's are pretty good to.

I've got plenty of each...

[IamK]

18. you can never have enough hi cap mags with all the zombies around....

[GreenStormCloud]

12. That's a good reason. But the best is "Because I want one." N/T

[ileus]

13. In before the advocating violence lock...

you know it's going to happen.

[-..__...]

22. Sad it is...

when promoting self defense = "advocating violence". ;(

[DanTex]

14. I like them cause they help me kill lots of people real fast

Killing people real fast. Fast killing. Mmm. Slow killing. meh. Fast Killing. MMMM!!

:sarcasm:

[gravity556]

15. I also love them because they make anti-gun folks heads explode.

I like when they get referred to as fully automatic bullet clips. Mostly because then the folks who learned about guns from "The A-Team" and "Bowling for Columbine" with a dash of John Woo thrown in. Trust me, unless you actually know about guns from actual (not anecdotal) experience, you should refrain from pontificating on them.

:sarcasm:

We love it when you do go on and on. Cheap entertainment.

[DanTex]

19. A CLIP is not a MAGAZINE!!!!!!

Original thoughts from gravity556! Gunners are always so clever!

[gravity556]

23. Be still my racing heart!

An anti (going by your posts in other threads) that knows there's a difference. My favorites are the Carolyn McCarthy type. "A barrel shroud is a shoulder thing that goes up!" Someone with that poor a knowledge of the subject matter has no business trying to legislate it. You wouldn't look for financial advice from someone who never has any money.

As to gunners being clever, well, that's been noted as far back as the 18th century.

A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.
--- Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785.

[SteveM]

33. No, Time is a MAGAZINE!

[gejohnston]

16. Why not?

Standard cap. for pistols are the way to go.

[IamK]

17. load less, shoot more

[-..__...]

21. Bernie Goetz didn't need no stinkin "hi-cap" mags"...

and yet, he still managed to defend himself quite admirably.

Then again... back then, wheel guns were all the rage, and semi-autos that allowed for greater than 7-10 rounds were rare (the Browning Hi Power and S&W Model 59 are two examples that come to mind).

But... times have changed, and so has firearms technology.

While the two aforementioned firearms were rather bulky and unwieldy for CCW, we now have the options of choosing from a wide variety of user friendly

firearms that combine the best of firepower and concealability.

Adding to that... the roving gangs of thugs have become more frequent, bold, brazen and tend to attack in greater numbers (or at least present themselves with numerical superiority).

So yes... the recent and ongoing criminal activity of "flash mobs"/flash robs"/group animal pack mentality would seem to be appropriate justification for

the manufacture, sale and possession of "hi-cap" clips magazines.

Ohhh... and here's another one...

New Video Surfaces Showing Unprovoked Attack by Philadelphia Teens

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

27. For a real solution...

...to the FLASH mob issue:

PPS43 C Pistol with 7.62x25 Tokarev Incendiary round (Soviet P-41 variant)
comes with 4 35 round mags for about $450. Add about $90 - 100 to load each mag but you can't buy them in the US.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

26. The best reasons...

...for high capacity:

rule #3. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.

rule #13. In combat, there are no rules, always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

rule #23. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

:)

[oneshooter]

29. Gunny Paterson USMC always held that::

If you are the last one standing, still breathing, and not bleeding too much then you are the winner. And the standing part is optional.

Gunny Paterson knew of what he spoke of. KIA north of Kon Son RVN 7 June 1972

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

30. He was a smart man.

Victory = 1 living warrior + the patience to endure longer than it takes for your opponents to die or give up. ;)

I know he's not a Marine but I can't help liking the story on 1st Lt Ed Silk.

[mwrguy]

28. Whoever runs out of ammo first

loses.

[jpak]

31. Welcome to Fantasy Island

De Plane!!111

De Plane!!111

:rofl:

[SteveM]

34. No, it's de Wild West, remember?

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[benEzra]

32. I think the debate has been done a disservice

by calling standard factory magazines over 10 rounds "high capacity," as if "normal" guns hold 10 rounds or less. Fact is, civilian rifles over 10 rounds have been common since the 1870's, and pistols over 10 rounds have been common since the 1930's, and I'm pretty sure smartphones and "flash mobs" weren't a consideration at the time.





The thing is, 19th-century 15+ round lever-actions predate the 4- to 10-round bolt-actions of the early twentieth century; some people forget that the latter were more or less niche guns that traded capacity for the highest power in the slimmest possible package.

Ditto for pistols; to find a time where over-10-round pistols weren't common, you have to go back to the 1920's and 1930's. The Browning P-35 9mm (trading a smaller, less powerful round for more capacity than the comparable M1911 .45) hit the market in the mid-1930s, and by the mid-1970's double-stack 9mm "wondernines" like the Smith & Wesson Model 59 (later 5906) and the Beretta 92 were a fixture of the U.S. civilian shooting scene. The Glock 17/19 popularized polymer frames in the 1980's, but their magazine capacity was comparable to existing 9mm's.

To me, "high capacity" is more than 18-19 rounds for a pistol and more than 30 for a rifle. A Glock 18 magazine for a Glock 17/19/26/34, a 30-rounder for a Smith & Wesson 5906, or a 40/60/100 round magazine for an AR/AK are certainly "high capacity", but using that term to refer to standard factory magazines for full-sized pistols or small-caliber rifles can lead to some serious foot-in-mouth issues politically.

FWIW, as far as carry guns go, full-sized double-stack pistols are harder to carry discreetly than shorter or single-stack guns; I own a S&W 5906 (18 rounds) but typically carry a S&W 3913 (9 rounds) during the warmer months, as the 5906 is pretty obvious. It's very do-able when it's cooler out, though.