Brady Campaign calling for confiscation?

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http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/200403/0318/brady_atf_complaint.pdf

(note; PDF file)

REQUESTED RELIEF
WHEREFORE, Plaintiff respectfully seeks judgment against defendants as follows:

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"4. That defendants, and their employees, agents, attorneys, and all persons acting under their direction and authority or in active concert or participation with them be ordered to inform manufacturers, importers, distributors, dealers and owners of the firearms (including frames or receivers) banned by the Assault Weapons Act that the firearms are illegal, that such unlawful firearms are contraband, that they may not be transferred or possessed by persons prohibited from possessing such weapons under the Assault Weapons Act, and that such unlawful firearms must be rendered inoperable or surrendered to law enforcement immediately;"


Just curious; out of the 96 receivers re-manufactured by Bushmaster, how many have been traced to or used in a crime?

[brokensymmetry]

1. They're getting shrill, aren't they?

I hope the suit gets quashed.

[MrSandman]

2. Not until they spend their...

gun-grabbing dollars.

[MrBenchley]

8. Gee, you mean you think

AshKKKroft is stringently enforcing the law?

[brokensymmetry]

13. Have you ever visited a law library?

If not, you should - I did, and found it fascinating.

There are a great many large books, with many pages of thin paper and small printing. And they're laws - thousands of laws, countless laws - dealing with everything from the size of the address numbers on your house to how you can treat the coins in your pocket.

Thankfully, most aren't enforced. I doubt any of us could avoid arrest for a single day if they were all enforced. So if 'croft - for whatever reason - doesn't care to enforce this particular law, that's great! Maybe he'll build up a little good karma. I'm sure he could use it.

[Frodo_Baggins]

17. Unfortunately (nt)

NT

[william joseph]

3. What a Jack A**

She will waste more of her money and they will still slap her in face and laugh.

[DoNotRefill]

4. I read the suit through and noticed some serious problems.

this will not get far.

[MrBenchley]

5. Sounds good to me

Bushmaster is a disgrace.

[MrSandman]

6. Apples and oranges

One's opinion vs. the actual laws

[MrBenchley]

7. Gee, is that why all this wailing about the lawsuit?

This makes two seperate threads on this by the gotta geta gun fraternity...

[MrSandman]

25. Already got some...

I would be upset if I were sued because I followed the law rather than someone's opinion du jour.

[analogman]

16. Bushmaster is a disgrace.

Why is that?

[CO Liberal]

9. Sounds Logical To Me

If weapons turn out to be illegal, shouldn't they be destroyed? This may be considered a proper legal resourse.

Of course, I'm not a lawyer, but it makes sense to me.

[MrBenchley]

10. I have to say the lawsuit seems like a great idea

and points up GOP hypocrisy and corruption perfectly.

Is there anyone who is really going to pretend that AshKKKroft is enforcing this law?

[slackmaster]

12. Ask us if we really care whether or not the law is being enforced

Most of us on the pro-RKBA side, myself included, see the AWB as a set of unjust and irrational restrictions on personal choice that have no positive effect on public safety.

Why the hell should any public funds be spent enforcing a dumb law that is going to expire in less than six months anyway?

:shrug:

[CO Liberal]

26. Because It's Still On The Books

A law is the law as long as it's in effect.

[MrBenchley]

27. Not to mention

that the lawsuit covers malfeasance over the entire periuod this corrupt bunch has been in office...

[slackmaster]

29. MrBenchley - Who was Predident from 1994 through January 19, 2001?

The Brady's complaint covers the entire tenure of the AWB, not just the part during which a Republican administration was responsible for enforcing it.

The Bushmaster receivers that are the subject of the Brady's suit were remanufactured during the Clinton Administration.

[slackmaster]

32. That's never been sufficient justification for enforcing laws, CO

The federal government and all the states and most localities have dumb laws on the books that are never enforced.

http://www.dumblaws.com

Enjoy!

[MrSandman]

35. Such as ...

The Fugitive Slave Act?

[analogman]

14. Ashcroft is the most dangerous man in America

He, along with the fascist "Patriot Act", is one of the greatest threats to American liberties to come along in quite some time.

[MrBenchley]

18. And pro-gun all the way

Such nice playmates the RKBA crowd has...

"WASHINGTON -- The National Rifle Association put Attorney General John Ashcroft on the cover of one of its magazines and published a letter he wrote to the group citing his belief that the Constitution guarantees people the right to own guns.
Ashcroft is pictured on the cover of the July issue of "America's 1st Freedom." In an article about Ashcroft's letter, the magazine said the attorney general "is a breath of fresh air to freedom-loving gun owners." "

http://www.kcstar.com/item/pages/home.pat%2Clocal/3accd81c.724%2C.html

Says it all, doesn't it?

[Frodo_Baggins]

20. The NRA is a bunch of corrupt pseudoprogunners

I couldn't care less about who they like.

[MrBenchley]

28. So the NRA isn't crazy enough to suit you?

They're certainly nuts enough for me...

[pyrenees]

36. Clinton Gun Ban

The Clinton Gun Ban AKA AWB is also one of the greatest threats to American Liberties in a very long time. Thank goodness it will be sunsetting so that the Bill of Rights may be restored.

An attack on the 2nd Amendment will only
predicate an attack on the first or fourth amendments.

IMHO
Pyrenees

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24. Check the date on the Brady Campaigns "Smoking Gun"...

(no pun intended).

I'm referring to the correspondence dated Dec, 17 1996 between Bushmaster and the ATF.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/200403/0318/correspondence.pdf

Puh-leeze! The Brady Brown Shirts have their collective panties in a wad
and now te Justice Department's/ATF's interpretation/policy for the past 7 years comes into question? Who's kidding who here?

[slackmaster]

30. They don't like the way the Clinton Administration enforced the AWB

Not surprising they'd attack a Democratic administration. Jim and Sarah Brady are after all Republicans.

[MrSandman]

37. Bbbbut...

They support Dems:-)

[slackmaster]

11. What if the owners acted in good faith, CO?

Let's pretend this suit turns out to have merit: Bushmaster acted on bad advice from the BATF when it re-manufactured some pre-ban receivers.

Obviously not everyone who owns one of those firearms can be expected to have the legal expertise to interpret the gray areas of federal gun laws. Wouldn't the owners be at least entitled to fair compensation for the loss of their property? Shouldn't they be paid fair market value for their rifles?

[analogman]

15. Wouldn't the owners be at least entitled to fair compensation...?

Perhaps in a free society they would, but not in this country today. The government takes what it want's and there ain't s**t you can do about it.

[slackmaster]

31. The silence from the pro-lawsuit side is deafening

But I suspect that confiscating, without compensation, property that was manufactured with the federal government's explicit blessing and bought in good faith by a citizen would violate the Fourth Amendment.

[MrSandman]

34. But the weapons in question...

were manufactured pre-ban...ergo grandfathered and legal.

[slackmaster]

38. Yes, and the law does not say a receiver cannot be replaced

if it gets worn out. It's as simple as that.

BTW - Here is the correspondence between Bushmaster and the BATF that provides the foundation for the Brady's case.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/200403/0318/correspondence.pdf

When you sue an agency of the federal government you have to name the present Attorney General as the defendant. Although John Ashcroft is the defendant in this case (as he properly should be), Janet Reno was the AG at the time these letters were written.

[MrSandman]

39. Sounds logical if...

They are legal the Brady Bunch should STHU.

[slackmaster]

40. I wonder what they are really trying to accomplish

The chances of this suit going anywhere are slim to none, and Slim just took the last stagecoach out of town.

Their apparent political motivation makes little sense to me - The suit boils down to saying the Clinton administration failed to enforce the law.

:shrug:

But then again, the Bradys are Republicans.

[Baclava]

19. My bushy is harmless...

I just feed her regularly and she is quite happy and content.

[analogman]

21. What are you feeding her?

[Baclava]

22. Wolf food

[analogman]

23. How do you like that stuff?

Any problems with fouling or jamming?

[Baclava]

33. So far, so good...no problems at all.

This is the "new" Wolf. It has a poly coating instead of the old lacquered casing. No more red sealant around the bullet either.