Bloody weekend: 24 shot in 24 hours

[Tejas]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/09/05/2011-09-05_bloody_weekend_24_shot_in_24_hours_prompting_mayor_bloomberg_to_call_for_tougher.html

Bloody weekend: 24 shot in 24 hours prompting Mayor Bloomberg to call for tougher gun laws

Twenty-four New Yorkers were hit by gunfire, one fatally, over 24 hours of violence this weekend, prompting Mayor Bloomberg to call the bloody stretch "unconscionable" and demand action from Washington.

...Bloomberg went ballistic yesterday, demanding stiffer federal gun laws.

New York has the toughest gun laws in the country, but Bloomberg said the city alone cannot stop the onslaught of shootings. "We need the federal government to step up," he said.

"Both ends of Pennsylvania Ave., both sides of the aisle," he said. "We cannot continue to have these guns in the hands of kids who don't understand the value of life."

















Let's review: Being that NYC has a problem with "kids who don't understand the value of life", Bloomberg's solution is to call for more FEDERAL gun laws. Yup, more laws will teach kids the value of life...

Bloomberg, still towing the Republican line (imagine that!)

[pintobean]

1. Fuck Bloomberg, he's an idiot

Here's a clue: people who violate gun laws don't really care how many redundant laws they are violating. Meanwhile, you're denying honest citizens their right to protect themselves.

[ileus]

16. +1

[TheWraith]

20. Not to mention, NYC has some of the toughest gun laws in the country.

Mandatory registration, STATEWIDE, of all handguns, including fingerprinting the owners. Registration in the city of all long guns. And for all intents and purposes, if you are not rich, connected, or a former police officer, you do not get a firearms permit in the city of New York. Period. So there are barely any legal guns there.

Surprise! It doesn't help.

[Tejas]

36. "From the files obtain forms 4473" - Colonel Ernesto Bella - n/t

[geckosfeet]

2. What a moran. Local problem and he screams at the feds. My guess, Mr.Mayor, is that a lot

of money is being made running guns into your city. If you are afraid of, or incapable of addressing the problem yourself, let someone who can address it sit in the big chair.

Blaming your problems on someone else is not going to make the guns go away.

on edit: grammatical edits

[madrchsod]

3. 24 people shot in a city of 8.3 million people

those 24 were probably shot in one or two areas of the city. bloomberg should concentrate law enforcement in the high crime areas and do more community outreach programs.

those who use guns could care less about the federal gun laws.

[Broderick]

4. We need more counseling and more money poured into those

high crime rate areas. Take from the gated communities and give it back to the people the burden falls on.

[TBF]

5. I'll give Bloomberg a rec on this - but does he also realize an increase of

taxes on the very wealthy would allow us to hire more law enforcement officers - to actually patrol areas and enforce the laws we do have.

I do think weapons are too readily available in this country.

[Tejas]

9. He doesn't care about your rec, he has armed bodyguards to

protect him.

"I do think weapons are too readily available in this country."

Not in NYC, only the elite (and their bodyguards) and criminals have them.

[Starboard Tack]

46. And anyone who visits the great Gun Mall of America and brings them back to the city.

Bloomberg is right on this one.

[PavePusher]

29. Bloomberg is rich as all fuck...

and could pay for everything he wants out of his own pocket at any time... if he truely wanted it.

His actual actions speak volumes....

[NutmegYankee]

6. But an armed society is a polite society!

The Children say "please" before shooting the others. :crazy:

[PavePusher]

22. Only when the lawful have equal or better access to arms....

than the criminals.

That's not the way the equation is set up in NYC. Which, come to think, is one of the rudest places I've ever been.

[Name removed]

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[pintobean]

8. That'll be a shock to female gun owners.

[Fumesucker]

10. More "stop 'n frisk" in poor areas will fix the problem.

[Tejas]

11. Yes, by all means let's perpetuate profiling.

:sarcasm:

SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!

[inwiththenew]

12. I am going to go out on a limb

And guess that most of these shooting are tied to the drug trade.

[InkAddict]

13. Only 1 dead out of 24 shootings. Hmmmm....

"those must have been some pretty bad shooters."

Smirksmirk Bloomberg looks around blankly before beginning to read "My Pet Peeve" to the poor in value or poor in spirit "children" he represents. That there should be so few as 24 shootings should teach him some gratefulness that it wasn't much worse, say nearly 3,000+ at once by the means of a few larger speeding silver bullets. Unfortunately, he'd likely see great opportunities to feed his own portfolio on account of such heinous violence against society.

Look toward TBTF corporate personhoods changing their hand-nutured lemons into lemonade at the hands of a populace of lesser value as an incubator of such violence.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

14. Bloomie is a repuke douche

[ileus]

15. "guns in the hands of people who don't understand the value of the second amendment."

FIFY Mr. B

[rrneck]

17. Where was New York's finest? nt

[Tejas]

48. Working security for Bloomberg.

[burf]

18. I wonder how many were killed

falling off ladders or from being hit by cars during the same 24 hours.

[TheWraith]

23. Well, we can run the numbers actually.

The US has about 40,000 automotive deaths per year, divided by 308,000,000 population. That gives a rate of one death per year per 7,700 people.

Population of NYC is 8.1 million. That means an average of 1,051 automotive fatalities per year in NYC. Divided by 365 days, that's 2.87 people killed per day in car accident in NYC, as a best-guess estimate. So one fatality from shootings, versus 2-3 from cars. Lets assume the lower figure, since NYC is less dependent on freeways than, say, a city like LA. So two dead.

Meanwhile, 3.2 million people a year are injured in car accidents. Let's use 1% of the US populace as a base number, in which case it's 81,000 a year in NYC, or 221 per day. Most of those are probably minor injuries, so if you say one in 10 is a serious injury on the level of a gunshot, then we have about 2 fatalities, and 22 seriously injured.

[spin]

19. I guess the "stop and frisk" tactic isn't working out so well ...

Stop-and-Frisks by NYPD Reach Highest 6-Month Total
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 05:35 PM

The NYPD is on track to have a record number of stop-and-frisks by the end of 2011.

New data released by the police department shows they have conducted 362,150 stops between January and June of this year, a 13.5 percent increase from the number of stop-and-frisks during the same period last year.

***snip***

Stop-and-frisks are street encounters between officers and civilians that are legal only if an officer has reasonable suspicion the person being stopped has committed a crime or is about to commit a crime.

In the first six months, 84 percent of the people stopped were either black or Latino. Nine out of 10 stops did not result in any arrest or ticket.
http://www.wnyc.org/blogs/wnyc-news-blog/2011/aug/31/stop-and-frisks-reach-highest-six-month-total/

[GreenStormCloud]

21. I wonder how many of those were criminal on criminal.

They can't take their disputes to courts, so they can only settle them with muscle and guns. Legalize drugs, prostitution, gambling, then regulate it and tax it.

[Hoyt]

24. Then, will you guys give up the one or two guns you strap to your body before going out in public?

I doubt it.

[ileus]

26. No....but those changes would probably increase crime.

[GreenStormCloud]

32. Why should I? I went unarmed for over 60 years.

I much prefer having a couple of guns on me.

[Name removed]

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[rl6214]

35. Pretty insulting there, do you personally know this poster?

Original Message
Remember to turn them in when they start you on Aricept. You apparently did fine for 60 years.
Posted by Hoyt


Are you insinuating that this gun owner or all gun owners are or will suffer from dementia?

[Hoyt]

37. I'm "implying" that old guys like me need to leave guns at home -- so do younger guys.

[AtheistCrusader]

41. I love it. Only on DU

out of all the progressive sites I visit, is it ok to shit on old people, if only in the name of gun control.

[oneshooter]

45. Hoyt, If your too far gone to carry it, you need to get rid of them.

"I'm "implying" that old guys like me need to leave guns at home"

You need to turn in your arsenal of weapons to the local Police.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livinin Texas

[GreenStormCloud]

43. I was lucky, and stronger. As I get older I realize that I am becoming and easier target.

Criminals prefer to prey on those who can't fight back. With my guns I can fight back if I have too.

[rl6214]

34. When will you give up on YOUR

"one or two guns you strap to your body" fantasy?

That's all you talk about, it's like a broken record that just keeps on skipping.

[Hoyt]

38. Broken to you, but a societal concern when we have posters who admit to carrying two guns in public.

[AtheistCrusader]

40. Did you consider that some of those posters might be (union) police officers?

Personally, I only carry one, because I trust mine to work in all weather, all conditions. Weapon retention is really the only risk remaining.

[NewMoonTherian]

47. People who "admit"?

It isn't a societal concern if those people carrying two guns in public aren't doing a damned thing to harm anyone else.

[AtheistCrusader]

39. Buy your own beer, kid.

[ileus]

27. they still won't have the money to engage in their habits...sooooo that leaves you and I to fund it.

and I'm sure as hell won't be volunteering any money to help them.

[ileus]

25. Why can't cities control their criminals?

[Fumesucker]

28. The incarceration rate in the USA is seven times that in Canada..

The very highest in the world in fact..

If we have criminals on the streets then we're doing something very wrong, because we have a metric boatload of people in prison, 25% of the prisoners in the world are in prison in the USA.

[gejohnston]

30. three words

war on drugs

other reasons
wealth disparity
healthcare
paying only lip service to quality public schools
squandering money on empire and MIC.

[DWC]

42. Two Words

Bad Choices

Semper Fi,

[ileus]

31. looks like we need a rate 20x the rate of canada...

[Glassunion]

44. So basically what he is saying... Is that NY's gun control does not work, so he needs something else

to blame it on.

If Bloomee is right that gun control works we should be reading about the following in the newspaper today...
Ballistics evidence led to 5 arrests of Registered/Licensed gun owners for 14 shootings that occurred over the weekend. But sadly, from what I read in the paper was that there is only one suspect in one shooting who was not identified through a gun trace, but from eye witnesses.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but NY state requires ballistic fingerprinting of all new firearms. This should be as simple as picking up one bullet from a crime scene and matching it to their database... Right? Oh yeah, I forgot... NY requires the system, but for some reason they don't use it. That's why the need micro-stamping. They'll use that... Right?

The state also requires that that all gun owners be licensed and their firearms are registered. So as simple as pie, the police should just pick up the gun from the crime scene and go arrest the owners... Right? Oh that's right, I forgot. They don't use their registration systems to trace firearms either. They require it, but they don't use it. Another reason they need micro-stamping... Right? They still submit all of the firearms to the ATF for tracing.

They should at least be able to scoop up one or two arrests from those who have licenses to carry... Right? I'm sure out of 14 shootings a couple had to be some toter getting pissed off over a parking space... Right? Even though it is an elite few who have the honor of being allowed to carry, but still 14 shootings? Had to be at least one "law-abiding" toter.

Law of averages states that at least 5(4.62 to be exact) of the guns used in these crimes came from within the state of NY and should be easily traced using the gun control systems they already have in place.

:sarcasm: