just a question, the law states if you gave a CCP you have to tell "Law Enforcement" personnel you

[dogmoma56]

CCP and whether you are armed or not.

my question is,... if you are at the mall and not carrying, do you have to inform the psychotic narcissistic off their medication rent-a-cops..? my reason for asking is i know they will flip out and haul me down to the basement and water-board me or worse. call the real cops and i will end up with an incident report as a possible terrorist, lose my CCP card and never be able to fly on any airline again,. i have avoided going to a mall for years because of this.

i used to be a rent-a-cop most of the people i worked with were psychopaths or insane or insane psychopaths that were declared unfit to be police recruits and turned away.. but got guns and a badge anyway.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

1. What law says that where?

[X_Digger]

8. Ohio, among others, has a 'duty to inform'.

Not if you bump into a cop in line at the supermarket, but if you're pulled over for a traffic stop, etc etc.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

9. Ohio only requires "duty to inform" during official questioning or dialoge.

You don't have to tell a cop anything if you are not addressed in an official capacity.

[iverglas]

2. wtf?

Since when did anybody call a mall security guard "law enforcement"?

When you're on private property, you're subject to the property owner's rules. That means that if they ask you a queston and you won't answer, they can tell you to leave (as long as they're not enquiring about your religion or racial background or such).

On the Brit board I'm familiar with, somebody would be suspecting wumming here.

[jmg257]

3. Security guards are not law enforcement personnel. Police officers are.

Why you would inform, or have to inform, anyone you are NOT carrying is beyond me though.

[spin]

4. I have no requirement to tell any police officer that I am carrying a firearm ...

or any rent-a -cop. Obviously then, I have no requirement to tell any LEO that I have a permit and am NOT carrying.

I have talked to many LEO's while armed and they had no idea that I had a snub nosed revolver in the front pocket of my pants.

In fact, I have NEVER told ANYONE that I was carrying while I was talking to them. I have a concealed weapons permit and carry a concealed weapon and I sure as hell am not going to brandish it or brag about it.

I have known a number of security guards and while some are mall ninjas in uniform or cop wannabes the majority are just hard working individuals doing a thankless and sometimes dangerous job. I have indeed met a few I thought might have been psychotic but they were a very small minority. To be fair, many of the security guards that I knew had government security clearances. That may make some difference.

edited to add comment

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

10. In some states you may. It pays to research local laws if you plan on travelling. n/t

[spin]

12. Very true. Thanks for pointing that out ...

I should have mentioned that.

However I don't know of any states where if you are simply having a conversation to a police officer, you have to tell him that you are legally carrying.

[Hoyt]

5. You have not gone to a mall because you don't want to (or can't) leave your gun(s) at home? Jeeeeez

I'd bet my ass if you don't have a gun on you, not much chance you'll get in trouble and lose your CC permit. I'd just leave em at home when going to a crowded mall where millions of people go everyday without incident. Seems obvious to me.

[rl6214]

16. Having a little trouble with your reading comprehension?

He's talking about going to the mall, while NOT CARRYING, and does he have to inform. Not going to the mall WHILE CARRYING.

You are so anti-gun you foam at the mouth and can't even comprehend what someone is saying.

[Hoyt]

17. Why would you walk up to mall security and say, "I have a permit but am not carrying?"

That makes no sense. Worse, why would one avoid going to a mall over that irrational concern?

[chibajoe]

19. I believe that is the first reasonable thing I have ever seen you post

Try not to make a habit of it.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

21. Of course that was not the point under discussion...

[SteveM]

20. I don't go to malls because they are expensive palaces of consumption, but...

you bring up an interesting point:

"I'd just leave em at home when going to a crowded mall where millions of people go everyday without incident. Seems obvious to me."

Most 2A advocates here have been pointing out for years that the number of "mass murder shootings" in malls, schools and restaurants have indeed been very small. I'm glad you have come around to that viewpoint.

Again, as most of us believe, concealed-carry is for personal protection, not for effecting social policy or civil action to somehow "prevent" these shootings in places "...where millions of people go everyday without incident." (You should be aware that violent robberies/attacks do occur at malls, usually in parking lots. Such attacks are not "mall spectaculars," but mere routine viciousness, barely rating page 3 in the local newspapers.)

[jeepnstein]

6. Mall Ninja already knows.

Mess with Mall Ninja and you will never be heard from again. I think their secret rendition place is still out behind the pretzel place.

[Hoopla Phil]

14. Oh jees, I remember the "Mall Ninja" posts. Those were funny as Hell!!! n/t

[X_Digger]

7. In many states (I don't know what state you live in)..

The notification requirement only exists when you are actually carrying, and only applies to honest-to-goodness law enforcement (not Paul Blart Mall Cop types).

Now if there is a police substation in the mall, or a community law enforcement outreach program staffed by police.. then yes, if you had an encounter with a police that is more substantive than, "Excuse me, where's the shoe store?" or "What brand of pepper spray do you recommend?"-- ie, if the cop stops you and starts asking questions-- then you should notify.

[Union Scribe]

11. Culled from a few sources:

In the US, a law enforcement officer is a government employee tasked with preventing, investigating and apprehending those who have/would violate criminal law. It does not include those whose job is to guard private property.

http://www.doi.gov/training/flert/fdef3.html
http://definitions.uslegal.com/l/law-enforcement-officer/

In short, unless they have powers granted by a government agency on whatever level, they are not law enforcement.

As you may know, that doesn't mean they don't sometimes exceed their boundaries and give people hard times, but legally you have no obligation to them as far as informing them.

[S_B_Jackson]

13. Duty to Notify....

means that if asked by a law enforcement officer for identification - such as in a traffic stop situation - that you must identify yourself to the officer as a CHL (Concealed Handgun Licensee) and whether or not you are armed. Rent a cops - unless they are off-duty police who are working a side job - are not law enforcement and you don't have to tell them diddlyshit nor allow them to lay hands on you.

[PavePusher]

15. Here's a place to look this up:

www.handgunlaw.us.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

18. First off...

...the notification requirement is state-dependent. Some require, some do not.

Second, even amongst those with notification requirements, some do require you notify you have a CCW permit whether or not you're carrying, others only require notification you are carrying.

Third, in every case, you only must notify the cop if you are being detained by the officer. No, you don't have to just walk up to him out of the blue if he happens to be in your general area.

Rent-a-cops are not cops, carry no authority whatsoever, can be freely ignored, and if they touch you, they have committed assault and should be treated accordingly.

I cannot tell if your post is sincere or satirical, but either way, you need to really do some thinking before you post drivel like that.