Galewood Tavern in Wyoming MI

[mikeb302000]

http://youtu.be/hmJ28zEM2G8">Video

Security is tight, no guns allowed, but the parking lot is another story.

The dead guy fired two shots into the air and was immediately cut down by two men with guns. The shooters took off. I wonder if they were CCW guys who acted hastily and recognizing their mistake decided to leave the scene.

Hopefully more will be determined on the surveillance video. One thing seems clear, there were http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2009/04/increasing-gun-violence-in-united.html">too many gun in the wrong hands. Can we agree on that at least?

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[rl6214]

1. More blind links leading to your blog?

And this is your commentary?
"The dead guy fired two shots into the air"

The dead guy fired two shots into the air :rofl:
The dead guy fired two shots:rofl: that's quite a feat for a dead guy to fire two shots.

More ASSumptions made by you with no basis for making them:

"I wonder if they were CCW guys"

Can we say intentionally dishonest.

"One thing seems clear, there were too many gun in the wrong hands.(blind link leading to your blog) Can we agree on that at least?"

NO, no we can't.

[mikeb302000]

5. he fired those shots right before he got dead

sorry for not being clear enough for you.

"Intentionally dishonest" for wondering if they were CCW guys? How do you figure that?

[Katya Mullethov]

9. I fire two shots in the morning

I fire two shots at night
I fire two shots in the afternoon
and it makes me feel alright .


I know !

Maybe all three of 'em were NRA CHL INSTRUCTORS !!

[gejohnston]

2. doubt it

The dead guy fired two shots into the air and was immediately cut down by two men with guns. The shooters took off. I wonder if they were CCW guys who acted hastily and recognizing their mistake decided to leave the scene.

Law of averages says no. Possible, but very improbable. I would like to see the actual security video. Was the dead guy already on the ground and fired the shots before rigor mortis set in or is he really undead?

http://davidwhitley.suite101.com/serial-killer-museum-in-florence-a29448
Have you ever been to this place? You should do a blog post on it. Make it informative and interesting.

[mikeb302000]

6. actually if you think about it

the idea of lawful concealed carry guys witnessing this guy shooting into the air might very well blow him away.

[gejohnston]

8. no, why would they?

but then we don't have the security video. We don't know what angle he was shooting in the air or why. There is no evidence that they are CCW, there is no evidence of anything other than what the local news said. You are just stuck on the idea to serve an ideological purpose.

[mikeb302000]

23. no I think that's you, man

your ideological purpose is to excuse any and all gun fuck-ups.

CCW guys who see someone shooting a gun off, might very well consider him a lethal threat. Do you deny that?

[gejohnston]

25. I know it is you

your ideological purpose is to excuse any and all gun fuck-ups.

Show evidence where I have excused any gun fuck-up or criminal act.
Your ideological purpose is to try to pin criminal acts on hunters and target shooters, and to claim all hunters and target shooters are dormant serial killers. It is also your ideological purpose to make sociopaths the victim and someone who legitimately defends themselves from sociopaths as the uncivilized vigilante.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x460088

CCW guys who see someone shooting a gun off, might very well consider him a lethal threat. Do you deny that?

How do I confirm or deny something I do not know? The could have been off duty cops for all I know. With the same evidence, I could just as legitimately say that the shooters were members of a Masonic Lodge or were on rival bowling teams. Here is what the cops are likely to be asking.
Why did the victim shoot in the air in a bar parking lot to begin with? It is not New Years nor July 4th in his backyard. A more logical theory is that the dead guy saw the other two as a threat for whatever reason and fired a warning shot in the air. They returned fire. To find the who, it helps to figure out why.
robbery?
business dispute?
discount contract hit?

[friendly_iconoclast]

18. And if they weren't CCW holders, you'll pretend this OP never existed.

I'll donate $50 to the Brady Campaign in your name if I'm wrong, $100 if the shooters were CCW holders.
Unlike most of the prohibitionists, I put my money where my mouth is- and I don't expect to be out any money on this one.

[friendly_iconoclast]

32. 6 days and counting, and so far no reply.

Color me unsurprised....

[friendly_iconoclast]

33. Over a week now, so I'm calling it- The OP is bullshit.

As usual....

[DonP]

3. "I wonder" if it was two angry Amish on a cross country crime spree?

You have no information apparently, but have no problem leaping to a conclusion that fits your world view of how ill behaved CCW people are.

So I favor angry Amish shooting up parking lots with cars with radios in them as the source of the shootings. They got away because their buggy could take the side roads and didn't make any noise beyond a few horse farts.

It has as much validity as yours.

[gejohnston]

4. I thought it was a

skirmish in the feud between the Rainbow Family of Living Light and Society for Creative Anachronism. Oh wait, the latter would have used swords or crossbows.

[friendly_iconoclast]

17. Nah, it was a duel gone wrong. Probably Whigs v. those upstart Republicans

Remember, it is Michigan, birthplace of the Republican Party...

[jeepnstein]

34. It was a possum.

Think about it. The victim probably felt a warning shot was enough to scare off a normally docile possum. These possums, emboldened with a gun and their new CCW's decided to take justice into their own hands. What kind of police department approves a CCW for a possum anyway? And then gives them a gun?

[geckosfeet]

7. We can agree that firing into the air in a parking lot is illegal, even for a dead guy.

I also think that a parking lot execution is too stiff a sentence for said illegal act.

[TheCowsCameHome]

10. rec'd

it pisses off the gunnies.

[gejohnston]

11. pisses us off?

personally, I find it kind of amusing, but not as amusing as the silencer one.

[rrneck]

14. Yeah, this subthread's a real flamefest. nt

[TheCowsCameHome]

20. You must amuse easily.

if OP's like this make you respond.:rofl:

[gejohnston]

21. it is not the subject matter

but the writing and delivery. Sometimes I am easily amused. Sometimes not. Absurdity almost always gives me a chuckle.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

19. None of the posters threads show a positive rec count

Its a clue, but if reccing it makes you feel better, go right ahead

[Name removed]

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[Atypical Liberal]

12. Complete speculation...

The shooters took off. I wonder if they were CCW guys who acted hastily and recognizing their mistake decided to leave the scene.

Complete speculation with zero evidence to support such. We may as well speculate on the fact that it was hip-hop night at the bar that night.

[Atypical Liberal]

13. While we are speculating...

While we are speculating about the usually hyper-law abiding CCW permit holders, I wonder if we should speculate about the victim's less-than-stellar criminal history?

http://www.jailbase.com/en/arrested/mi-kcsd/2011-07-05/lamar-dinta-ivy-1113246

[ileus]

15. Guns kill people can't we all agree on that at least?

[friendly_iconoclast]

16. In the parking lot of the Galewood Tavern, at least....

[Tuesday Afternoon]

22. oh

I see what you did there. :rofl:

[gravity556]

26. No, generally exsanguination and shock kill people.

What are the odds that all 3 were gang members? Someone firing a gun into the air in a bar parking lot doesn't sound like someone who usually obeys the laws anyhow. Maybe if membership in gangs were criminalized, shootings around the country would drop. Just imagine-no more bangers terrorizing neighborhoods, less graffiti, fewer drug dealers, hell, the benefits would be huge.

[AtheistCrusader]

31. So do knives, fists, feet, bats, glass bottles, cars, republican rhetoric, etc.

[SteveM]

27. "Barton Creek was once a Depression-era site for a carp fishery which..."

[AtheistCrusader]

28. I'm pretty sure they were Bloomberg investigators demonstrating how easy people die from guns.

[iverglas]

29. "easy people"?

Tsk, now it's impugning of the victims' virtue??

[AtheistCrusader]

30. 'easily' wouldn't fit. Had to edit somewhere.

Nice catch though. It ALMOST rolls off the tongue.