Someone asked about victories here the other day

[MyrnaLoy]

Here's one: Judge blocks Florida law gagging doctors' gun talk

Seems the NRA/GOP/Gun Forums wanted to limit the free speech of doctors. Didn't take long for a federal judge to put a stop to that.

"(Reuters) - A U.S. federal judge on Wednesday blocked a Florida law limiting what doctors can say about guns to their patients, saying it violated free speech protections under the Constitution." http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/14/us-usa-guns-doctors-idUSTRE78D7W620110914

So along with this loss and the losses the NRA/GOP/Gun Forums faces with guns on campus I would say yup! There are still some victories to be had.

[Kennah]

1. Guns on campus is a long road. The doctor issue a piddly one. Yawn.

[MyrnaLoy]

2. yeah

that damn first amendment is piddly. It's all about the second huh?

[LAGC]

3. It goes beyond the First Amendment if doctors refuse service to gun-owning families.

Which is why that law was put on the books in the first place.

[MyrnaLoy]

6. which never happened

did it. Don't make shit up to prove some point man. No doctor ever refused service to a gun-owning family. Seriously you should consider removing that accusation because it's so silly.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

9. Here is a story of EXACTLY that...

This kind of incidence was the reason such a law was drafted.
http://www.ocala.com/article/20100723/news/100729867

It was a question Amber Ullman least expected Wednesday from her children's pediatrician.

Do you keep a gun in the house?

When the 26-year-old Summerfield woman refused the answer, the Ocala doctor finished her child's examination and told her she had 30 days to find a new pediatrician and that she wasn't welcome at Children's Health of Ocala anymore.

“Whether I have a gun has nothing to do with the health of my child,” said the mother of three girls.

The question about the gun had been the last in a series of health questions about Ullmon's 4-month old baby that Dr. Chris Okonkwo had been asking.

“And I'm upset because my children were discharged because I refused to answer the question whether I have a gun… in the house. It's a very invasive and a very personal question,” said Ullman, who works as a property manager.

[rl6214]

14. I think OWNED is the correct term to use here.

[MyrnaLoy]

18. unfortunately

From your own post:

"The question about the gun had been the last in a series of health questions about Ullmon's 4-month old baby that Dr. Chris Okonkwo had been asking."

It appears that this family just didn't like the questions the doctor was asking and became evasive. A doctor can "fire" any patient they want if they believe they are wasting their time on the care of said patient. I'll repeat, "last in a series of health questions".

This woman was pissed off at her doctor and used the gun question as an excuse. It's very common. If she was so pissed off why didn't she just find another doctor?

Last time, "last in a series of health questions" Tell you what, do you know what those questions were?


Yeah, sure, owned, LOL

[DonP]

20. "Don't make shit up to prove some point man."

Good advice - follow it if you're capable.

"No doctor ever refused service to a gun-owning family."

Umm, yes they did. That's what triggered the legislation in the first place.

You can make shit up and keep trying to recreate history in Ocala or New Orleans and it's still all BS. The gun control side has few and tiny wins for the last few years and it's going to stay that way, because all you people ever do is talk (and lie) about it and do nada to actually support your so called "principles".

[MyrnaLoy]

22. hahahaaa

yup

[X_Digger]

23. Dearie, the doctor told HER to find a new physician, not the other way round..

Yeah, OWNED fits.

*eta: You might want to find previous threads on the subject- the doctor talks about why he turned the patient away.

[SteveM]

12. Forever picking a fight in an empty barroom. nt

[oneshooter]

15. And always seems to lose it . n/t

[SteveM]

24. Maybe losing in public is the cutting edge of modern minor celebrity. nt

[Kennah]

16. What I see as piddly is the doctor being prohibited from saying anything

Now, if a doctor is refusing service to someone saying "None of your damned business", then I think there may be grounds for a new law.

[rl6214]

4. Oh no

Beware the backlash

[GreenStormCloud]

5. And we just won a victory with New Hampshire overriding the governor's veto.

All your two "victories" did was hold the status quo. You didn't make any advances against gun rights. You did get a victory in California, but when the National Reciprocity Bill HR 822 passes that victory will be undone. Your side is losing. Have you seen my list of victories that our side has won in this year alone? Let me post it again.

PRO-GUN VICTORIES SO FAR IN 2011

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6456
Virginia: Governor M cDonnell Signs Four NRA-Supported Bills

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6465
Utah Governor Signs Two Important Pro-Gun Bills into Law!

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6563
Kansas: Two NRA-Backed Bills Signed into Law as the 2011 Legislative Session Adjourns in Topeka!

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6572

Virginia: Governor Signs Two Remaining NRA-Supported Bills!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/virginia-politics/post/cuccinelli-says-guns-in-churches-are-okay-if-theyre-for-self-defense/2011/04/11/AFvTYPLD_blog.html

Virginians may carry weapons for personal protection into places of worship while religious services are being conducted, according to a new legal opinion by Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6632
North Dakota: Employee Protection Bill Signed by Governor Dalrymple

http://newsok.com/fallin-signs-self-defense-rights-law/article/3562026
Oklahoma governor signs bill that expands self-defense rights

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6707
NRA-Backed Bill Becomes Law in the Cornhusker State

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6822
Oklahoma Legislature Passes, Governor Mary Fallin Signs “Parking Lot” Protection Expansions!

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=15241
Gov. Rick Perry Signs Legislation Protecting Texas Workers’ Right to Self-Defense

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?ID=15279
Pennsylvania: Gov. Corbett signs bill on right to use deadly force. (Castle Doctrine)

http://www.wyomingnews.com/articles/2011/06/29/news/19local_06-29-11.txt
Permitless concealed carry becomes law.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6964
Thursday, June 30, 2011

Today, Governor John Kasich signed both Senate Bill 17 and House Bill 54 into law. SB 17 is important concealed carry reform legislation and HB 54 will provide individuals a pathway to restore their firearm rights.

http://wsau.com/news/articles/2011/jun/30/ohio-governor-signs-law-allowing-guns-in-bars/
Ohio governor signs law allowing guns in bars

http://www.pjstar.com/free/x1107265105/Quinn-bars-gun-permit-disclosure
Gov. Pat Quinn on Saturday signed into law a measure barring the public from knowing who holds a firearm owner identification card in Illinois.

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/15018316/new-gun-laws-take-effect-in-nevada
Two new Nevada gun laws took effect Friday that make it easier to buy guns across state lines and obtain permits for concealed weapons.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2011/jul/09/gun-bill-is-signed-into-law/
Governor signs bill lowering CCW age from 23 to 21.

http://www.wifr.com/news/headlines/Gov_Walker_Signs_Concealed-Carry_Bill_Into_Law_125253309.html
Gov. Walker Signs Concealed-Carry Bill Into Law

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[Atypical Liberal]

8. Great post! Bookmarked! n/t

[Hoopla Phil]

10. Wow. That's a great list there. Thanks

[SteveM]

13. ...and thanks to Myrna, too!

[badtoworse]

19. Alas! Nothing on the list for New Jersey

It's such an asshole state when it comes to RKBA.

[X_Digger]

11. Status quo as 'win' again?!? *snort*

You keep on claiming 'victory' for 'staying the same'.

LOL!!

[DissedByBush]

17. Freedom of COMMERCIAL speech isn't quite as protected

This is regulating what a doctor can and can't say in the conduct of business.

Guess what, a lawyer can be punished for talking shit about a judge too.

False advertisement is illegal too.

[aikoaiko]

21. I didn't like this law much, but I didn't like the actions of the doctor that prompted the law more

Denying medical service because a patient wants to keep some information private is really loathsome.