Concord NC (near Charlotte) Domestic Violence at Work - 2 Dead

[mikeb302000]

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/national/2-people-shot-to-death-at-lowe%27s-store-in-nc">The Local Channel 5 News reports

A spokeswoman for Lowe's Home Improvement says an employee and another person have been shot to death at a North Carolina store.

Spokeswoman Karen Cobb says the shooting happened Monday at a store in Concord, which is about 20 miles northeast of Charlotte. She says it appears to be a domestic situation and no other customers or employees were injured.

With such few details available in the news, it could be anything. But, let's take a guess.

A lawful gun owner, perhaps with a CCW permit and an NRA membership card in his wallet, goes to his wife's place of employment, kills her and turns the gun on himself. How's that sound, about right?

Later today the details will be coming out and I know I can count on my antagonistic gun-rights friends to point out anything I got wrong, but even that wouldn't change the fact that http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2009/07/guns-and-women.html">guns are bad news for women. And it certainly wouldn't change http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2011/09/solution.html">the solution.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/">Cross posted at Mikeb302000)

[gejohnston]

1. ever heard of Barbara Grahm?

It "appears to be" domestic, but based on what?
A "gun control advocate" buys a gun on the black market, perhaps with his VPC membership card in his wallet,goes to Lowe's to avenge his son being hurt in a car crash.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A48965-2001Jun26¬Found=true
http://www.tincher.to/mmmcharge.htm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x28948

Please define antagonistic? You mean those of us who leave comments you don't like?

[mikeb302000]

4. "antagonistic" is how one could describe the next comment - nt

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[mikeb302000]

5. what's wrong with you?

"With such few details available in the news, it could be anything. But, let's take a guess."

What follows is my "guess." How is that dishonest?

[Remmah2]

12. Dishonest?

More like intellectual bankruptcy.

[SteveM]

20. Ah, that's the ticket. nt

[mikeb302000]

25. no, more like you don't know what you're talking

about, just that you want to oppose what I say in the strongest terms you can. Dishonest, sure.

[ileus]

29. well said.

[Atypical Liberal]

18. Because it is BLATANT SPECULATION.

"With such few details available in the news, it could be anything. But, let's take a guess."

What follows is my "guess." How is that dishonest?

Because it is BLATANT SPECULATION with absolutely no facts to support it.

It's like the fucking climate change deniers who say, "Well, it snowed last winter. It could be anything, but let me take a guess: Climate change is bunk!"

It's like the fucking creationists who say, "The fact that all creatures share common features and large portions of their DNA could be anything. Let's take a guess: They were all made by the same invisible man in the sky!"

And why are such guesses being made in lieu of facts? To push an agenda!

That's why it's dishonest.

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[Atypical Liberal]

30. It is, and then it isn't.

In fact it's not even "blatant speculation

And then:

Anyway, that's what I base my "speculations" on.

Get your story straight, man.

The fact of the matter is, you speculated:

1) The shooter has no disqualifying criminal history.
2) The shooter belongs to the NRA.
3) The shooter has a concealed carry permit.

In short, you are trying to paint a picture of the shooter with absolutely no information to support it.

Who's pushing the agenda here?

I'm not the one trying to paint a preconceived picture with no supporting evidence.

Again, if you are going to continue to report the daily news for people on the other side of the planet from you, please stick to the facts.

[ileus]

7. Only lies and hyperbole further their agenda.

[ileus]

6. Didn't read anywhere about his NRA or CHP status....I suppose you have inside information.

[GreenStormCloud]

8. More info has been released.

http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/15499622/couple-shot-at-lowes

They were husband and wife. Names are: Por Ye Lor (male -shooter) and Zoua Xiong (wife). There is no information onthe background of the husband. However, it is extremely rare for someone to commit murder without prior warning indications. See The Givf of Fear[/i}. I am confident that an investigation will reveal that the shooter had a history of violence and likely had the gun illegally.

[ileus]

10. no no...everyone knows he was a NRA member and CHP holder, every gun owner is.

I saw it on the innerwebs...rude toter always strapping on a gun or two and going out in public. Probably didn't have his gun secured properly, anyone could have stolen it. Maybe even had an AK assault rifle with 100's of killer clips loaded with special loads. Maybe even a sniper rifle so he could engage long range targets through windshields. I bet he owned an SUV and was a global warming denier also. Probably a racist teabagger...

[jmg257]

9. Guy gets in argument with wife, shoots her then himself.

Not good.

"Por Ye Lor, 31 walked into the store on Dale Earnhardt Blvd. and got into an argument with his wife, Zoua Xiong, 25, a cashier at the store, Lowe's Spokesperson Karen Cobb told WBTV.com. Lor shot Xiong, then killed himself, Cobb said."


If he was indeed 'a lawful gun owner' then he was indeed 'a CCW holder' (with or without the NRA card). I am going to take a guess too...if your guess is right, then licensing of gun owners, background checks, registration, and limited tranfers would not have solved THIS problem.

In order to get a handgun in NC, the purchaser must "present a valid permit to purchase a handgun or valid North Carolina-issued concealed carry permit." And
"Under North Carolina law, it is unlawful for any person, firm, or corporation to sell, give away, transfer, purchase, or receive, at any place in the state, any pistol, unless the purchaser or receiver has first obtained a license or permit to receive such a pistol by the sheriff of the county where the purchaser or receiver resides, or the purchaser or receiver possesses a valid North Carolina-issued concealed carry permit....This requirement to obtain a permit prior to the transfer of a pistol applies not only to a commercial transaction, typically at a sporting goods store, but also between private individuals"

My guess is, IF he was a lawful gun owner, your 'solution' falls short in protecting the victim. I guess you will need to add more restrictions to it.


North Carolina
Concealed Permit:
Shall Issue to Residents Only
Issuing Authority:
Sheriff of the permittee’s county of residence

Out Of State Permit Issue:
North Carolina does not issue permits to non-permanent residents. In order to obtain a permit you must establish permanent residency in North Carolina.

NICS check:
Yes, a background check is done through the local Sheriff’s office.
...
Requirements:
The sheriff shall issue a permit within 90 days after receipt of a complete application to an applicant who:
• is a citizen of the U.S. and has been a resident of the State for at least 30 days immediately prior to filing the application;
• is at least 21;
• does not suffer from a physical or mental infirmity that prevents the safe handling of a handgun;
• has successfully completed an approved firearms safety and training course which involves the actual firing of handguns and instruction in the law governing the carrying of a concealed handgun and the use of deadly force;
• is not ineligible under federal or state law to possess, receive, or own a firearm;
• is not currently or has not been adjudicated or administratively determined to be lacking mental capacity or mentally ill;
• has not been discharged from the armed forces under conditions other than honorable;
• is or has not been adjudicated guilty or judgment continued or suspended sentence for a violent misdemeanor;
• has not had judgment continued for or free on bond or personal recognizance pending trial, appeal, or sentencing for a disqualifying criminal offense;
• has not been convicted of an impaired driving offense within three years prior to the date on which the application is submitted.



Edit: Also hugely guessing this incident involved a handgun.

[Remmah2]

11. Sigh..

[Atypical Liberal]

13. WOULD YOU STOP WITH THE FUCKING SPECULATIOIN?!?!?

With such few details available in the news, it could be anything. But, let's take a guess.

No, Mike, how about we STOP WITH THE FUCKING GUESSING.

I don't want policy decisions based on FUCKING GUESSING. I want policy decisions based on FUCKING FACTS.

I know the facts aren't on your side, but do us all a favor and if you are going to report on the daily news for places on the other side of the fucking planet from you do all of us a favor who actually fucking live here and at least report THE TRUTH.

We don't need guesses or other idle speculation.

Later today the details will be coming out and I know I can count on my antagonistic gun-rights friends to point out anything I got wrong, but even that wouldn't change the fact that guns are bad news for women. And it certainly wouldn't change the solution.

Hey Mike. Do you know what we call people WHO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS BEFORE HEARING ALL THE FACTS?

Google it.

[friendly_iconoclast]

17. If he didn't believe it, he wouldn't have seen it.

Mike's posts have moved from the "mindless hatred of gun owners" stage to the "massive secret network of Satanists are
responsible" stage.

But, you know what? I'm okay with them- Because they're useful as examples to show people when I tell people "This is what
gun control advocates really believe."

[SteveM]

21. He can't. The most addicting thing about prohibition is prohibition. nt

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[mvccd1000]

14. Let's take a guess

I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that the shooter is a person with a long history of criminal violence, who is probably a strong gun-control advocate (the thinking being that disarming his victims can only benefit him).

This guessing stuff is fun!

[AtheistCrusader]

15. What's your final solution, Mike?

(Not going to click on your blog)

[mikeb302000]

28. well then you'll just have to guess.

[Atypical Liberal]

16. Update to story.

The couple had three children. 6, 4, and 2.

http://www.salisburypost.com/Crime/092011-WEB-Neighbors-of-family-reflect-on-memories-qcd

[ileus]

19. Going by his redneck southern name, we know for a fact he was an NRA member, and CHP holder

And she worked at a dale earnhardt store...white trash gun owners. How rude.

[SteveM]

22. Gotta be Spanish moss in there, somewhere. nt

[Hoyt]

23. From latest news, it appears the shooter was a "law-abiding" gun owner, who shouldn't have toted.

[Ben Gay]

24. Let's take a guess (to adapt your own approach)...you

Yeah, that sounds about right.

[Common Sense Party]

31. Yeah, I remember when I made up wild stories.

I was six.

[ileus]

32. my son is 7 he makes up stories also, but when pressed he admits lying.

and smiles...