Your Typical Arizona Gun Owner

[mikeb302000]

http://www.azcentral.com/community/mesa/articles/2011/09/22/20110922apache-junction-woman-multiple-charges-abrk.html">AZ Central has the description:

An Apache Junction woman was arrested Wednesday after police said they found firearms, a white powdery substance and various checks in her car.

Mesa officers approached Elizabeth Russell, 38, when officers noticed a vehicle parked against the flow of traffic at 1700 S. 80th Street in Mesa, according to a police report.

After Russell granted police permission to search the car, officers found a loaded .380 caliber handgun between the driver's seat and transmission hump, as well as a clear baggie with a white powdery substance inside Russell's purse, the report said.

All right, maybe "typical" isn't the best word to describe her, but this is Arizona we're talking about. Gun availability to unfit people doesn't come any easier than it does there. Who's to blame?

Well, if we're talking about the easy access to guns, as opposed to the crimes people commit with them, it's clearly not the criminal's fault. She, and all the others like her, did not arrange for the easy availability of guns. http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2011/04/gun-manufacturers-and-nra.html">That was the NRA and the gun lobby all paid for by the gun manufacturers and supported by the gun-rights folks.

This is what I call shared responsibility.

The only valid argument I can see is that guns save lives, the John Lott theory. That's been refuted enough that even the gun rights folks have gotten off it. What we mainly hear from them is the 2A nonsense and http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2011/09/ccw-reciprosity-will-save-lives.html">as Big Wayne said, they want to have a fighting chance.

The deplorable situation of gun proliferation and availability in the U.S. is the direct result of the misguided efforts of the NRA, gun lobby, gun manufacturers and gun-rights activists. For some it's simply dollars and cents. For others it's in order to not be inconvenienced themselves. But we all pay a heavy price for the results of their work. That's why I blame them.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/">(cross posted at Mikeb302000)

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[Iktomiwicasa]

3. Presactly

[mikeb302000]

7. In you rush to use your favorite attack: "lie"

You must have missed this.

"All right, maybe "typical" isn't the best word to describe her, but..."

What do you think about the gun availability in AZ, by the way? Or is your only interest in attacking me personally, since you know my position differs from yours on gun rights?

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

9. The gun availability in AZ is pretty typical when compared to most states. n/t

[AtheistCrusader]

11. In Arizona, firearm availability is still limited by federal law.

At least you acknowledge the lie in the headline with your immediate backpedal.

Not like you were invested in it, and couldn't change it before you clicked 'post'.

[gravity556]

26. So are we not allowed to call bullshit on obvious lies, now?

And being an AZ native, there's nothing wrong with the gun availability. Ammo is scarce sometimes, but there's plenty of guns around. If we could just figure out how to reduce the availability of criminal shitbags, that would be fantastic! So, mike, what's your supergenius solution to a problem you know nothing about? While you're at it, maybe you could also fix the flood of drugs and illegal aliens pouring into my beloved state. Since those tend to be the primary sources of crime here in AZ. You know, actually deal with the criminals who commit the crimes rather than worrying your roomy noggin about how to disarm hundreds of thousands of law abiding gun owners. You know, since they aren't the source of the crime.

And while you may think your little half assed "derp, I was just funnin guys. why do you get so mad when I compare you to scum like tweakers?" act ameliorates your insult, I can assure you that it does not. Your whining about being attacked for a differing view is fucking horseshit. You can dish it out, but if someone calls you on it, you actually have the gall to get defensive. All you've shown is that you haven't got the stones to stand by what you write. Beneath contempt, dude. Beneath even contempt.

[SteveM]

42. Some stereotypes and prejudices are more equal than others. nt

[NewMoonTherian]

46. It obviously isn't "the best" or even remotely accurate, but you used it.

In your rush to smear gun dealers and the NRA, you insulted the entire gun owning population of Arizona. How do you think this is supposed to support your case? Are you actually trying to persuade anyone, or are you just venting your bigoted frustrations, or are you just trolling?

[Common Sense Party]

2. Typical coke dealer, you mean.

And your screed is, typically, pure drivel.

[Kolesar]

5. The NRA position represents the interests of "coke dealers" eom

[friendly_iconoclast]

28. $25 to the Brady Campaign says you can't explain "The NRA position"...

...much less why it represents the interests of coke dealers.
Here's your opportunity to do something for gun control besides posting snark here. Go for it!

[Straw Man]

31. Bullshit. And you know it.

Or maybe you don't. In which case, "ignorance."

[LAGC]

4. I don't get it. Where's the gun crime?

Has the well run so dry that you must resort to posting drug abuse stories instead?

:shrug:

[mikeb302000]

6. A meth addict with a couple guns in the car,

and you ask where the gun crime is?

[LAGC]

8. Misconduct involving weapons?

Not even a crime in most states, only if you're already a convicted felon.

:shrug:

[We_Have_A_Problem]

21. Yeah - we're asking

Don't see any "gun crime". Correct us if we're wrong, but the gun was pretty much just sitting there.

[mikeb302000]

32. when it comes to guns you guys will defend anyone

she had drugs visible on her nose, more in the car, so you're saying the gun just lying there was no problem????

[Straw Man]

36. Do extra question marks indicate rhetorical questions?

she had drugs visible on her nose, more in the car, so you're saying the gun just lying there was no problem????

No, just that the phrase "gun crime" generally indicates a crime of violence (or the threat of violence) committed with a gun. But you knew that ...

[SteveM]

43. More prejudice and untruths by OP. nt

[We_Have_A_Problem]

47. As you pointed out...

...the problem was actually the drug use, not the gun, so yes, the gun just lying there does not make it "gun crime".

[ileus]

22. gunner toters....meth heads....all the same.

[rl6214]

40. You know from your past illegal gun ownership

Why don't you explain it to us from your personal experience?

[Tejas]

10. When all else fails, try flamebait.

And if that fails, you can always make stuff up out of boredom.

example below:

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mikeb302000 (421 posts) Fri Sep-23-11 01:39 AM
Original message
Your Typical Arizona Gun Owner




AZ Central has the description:


An Apache Junction woman was arrested Wednesday after police said they found firearms, a white powdery substance and various checks in her car.

Mesa officers approached Elizabeth Russell, 38, when officers noticed a vehicle parked against the flow of traffic at 1700 S. 80th Street in Mesa, according to a police report.

After Russell granted police permission to search the car, officers found a loaded .380 caliber handgun between the driver's seat and transmission hump, as well as a clear baggie with a white powdery substance inside Russell's purse, the report said.



All right, maybe "typical" isn't the best word to describe her, but this is Arizona we're talking about. Gun availability to unfit people doesn't come any easier than it does there. Who's to blame?

Well, if we're talking about the easy access to guns, as opposed to the crimes people commit with them, it's clearly not the criminal's fault. She, and all the others like her, did not arrange for the easy availability of guns. That was the NRA and the gun lobby all paid for by the gun manufacturers and supported by the gun-rights folks.

This is what I call shared responsibility.

The only valid argument I can see is that guns save lives, the John Lott theory. That's been refuted enough that even the gun rights folks have gotten off it. What we mainly hear from them is the 2A nonsense and as Big Wayne said, they want to have a fighting chance.

The deplorable situation of gun proliferation and availability in the U.S. is the direct result of the misguided efforts of the NRA, gun lobby, gun manufacturers and gun-rights activists. For some it's simply dollars and cents. For others it's in order to not be inconvenienced themselves. But we all pay a heavy price for the results of their work. That's why I blame them.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
(cross posted at Mikeb302000)

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"2A nonsense" ?

[Remmah2]

12. Yawn.

Wake me up when they lock this thread.

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[ileus]

14. Have you called your Congressman?

[Tejas]

30. I saw what you did there.

:rofl:

[Remmah2]

34. This is a sad thread.

A certain Arizona congress person is also a gun/Glock owner.

[GreenStormCloud]

15. Yawn. Unrec. N/T

[ProgressiveProfessor]

16. LOL

nt

[Remmah2]

18. I'm on my second cup of coffee.

Think I'll read the morning paper.

[krispos42]

17. "...maybe 'typical' isn't the best word to describe her..."

Ya think?


If I buy you a star, do you think you can use DU's advanced search feature to find a clue?

[petronius]

27. Trnsparent flamebait. I'm surprised the mods let it stand, actually...

:shrug:

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[spin]

23. Another typical post from you ...

full of misconceptions.

Even you admit that the title of your post is misleading.

"All right, maybe "typical" isn't the best word to describe her..."

[mikeb302000]

33. the title of the post was an

hyperbolic joke.

The rest makes some pretty good sense. I think that's what you guys hate about my posts, they make sense.

[Straw Man]

37. The title of the post ...

... ... was a deliberate misrepresentation with defamatory intent. Calling it a "hyperbolic joke" doesn't change that fact.

Your posts make sense? This post seeks to blame the NRA, which supports the Federal NICS check, for the fact that criminals still manage to obtain firearms in spite of the check. Explain to me how that makes sense.

[gravity556]

38. Your posts never make sense.

"the title of the post was an hyperbolic joke.

The rest makes some pretty good sense. I think that's what you guys hate about my posts, they make sense".

All you have is your ignorant ranting about a subject you obviously know almost nothing about. The only reason folks reply is because there may be some undecided individual reading this forum, and the last thing gun owners want is someone reading your bewilderingly ignorant posts and forming an opinion based solely on that.

Furthermore, nobody, not one single person is defending some piece of shit tweaker about having a firearm-she is EXACTLY the kind of person who has no business having a gun. She is already violating multiple laws, committing multiple felonies, and you are screaming that we need more fucking gun laws for her to ignore. Worse, you seem to think that you're clever in calling this individual a "typical arizona gun owner". She is absolutely NOT a "typical AZ gun owner-she's a drug addict with a gun. Are you insinuating that all AZ gun owners are drug addicts? Because it seems to be EXACTLY that.

You lie, spin, omit amd make up rumors. You have absolutely no credibility, nor for that matter, manners. Your opinion of yourself and thus, your views, is so wrong as to be delusional. You have no understanding of firearms-you don't know how they work, you don't understand why anyone would want one (aside from your ignorant preconceptions and nonsensical "theories) and you sure as fuck don't know anything about the laws involved. Furthermore, you're too ignorant of these things to realize that you're ignorant. The only tools you have are speculation, supposition, and a blind aversion to feedback when people TELL YOU YOU ARE IGNORANT.

Do you know what AZ's gun laws are? Have you ever been to AZ, or are you looking through your glass belly button, head firmly ensconced in your ass, and continuing to publicly pontificate on subjects you have 0 knowledge of? I, and I'm sure everyone who actually understands AZ law, am pretty certain that the answers are as follows: No idea what the gun laws are beyond Brady/VPC talking points, no, you've never been to AZ, and yes, your head is so far up your ass that if you sit down hard, you'll fucking pop out of existence in a singularity of dumb.

People hate your posts because they're chock full of confident stupidity and seriously lacking in facts, truth and sometimes, logic and sense. Take the fucking hint.

[Ben Gay]

45. Make sense? Only in the wildest wet ratfucking dreams of a delusional turd merchant.

...

[We_Have_A_Problem]

52. If you believe your posts make sense....

...then I want some of whatever you're smoking/shooting/popping/whatever.

There's no way they could make sense to someone who wasn't on some heavy drugs.

[gravity556]

24. Misrepresentation and character assasination. Another bit of blog spam.

And more arguments from ignorance. Ever been to AZ, sparky? Or are you again pulling "facts" out of your ass? My god, you'd think anyone with any sense at all would take the hints dropped his way and fucking learn about firearms and firearm laws prior to pontificating on them. Not to mention the asshole tactic of denigrating every law abiding gun owner in AZ by comparing them to some fucking shitbag tweaker. You want laws? In AZ it's already illegal to have a firearm while under the influence of drugs. It's against federal law as well. It's also against federal law to purchase a firearm if you are a user of or addicted to any illegal drugs. Meaning it's already illegal to be a tweaker or cokehead and be in possession of a fucking gun.

And your nonchalant "This is Arizona we're talking about here" is pure fucking trolling flamebait. AZ does respect the second amendment as well as a right to own firearms in our state constitution.

The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the State shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain, or employ an armed body of men. Art. II, § 26 (enacted 1912).

This does NOT however indicate that shitbag crooks are exempt from following the laws. Other than the fact that they ignore laws anyhow.

You have again demonstrated your astounding lack of knowledge, as well as your idiotic presumptions. I would say "take your opinions, write them down, then fold them up until they're all corners and then stuff them up your ass", but that would be rude. Nearly as rude as equating lawful and law abiding gun owners with some piece of shit tweaker.

[gejohnston]

25. Your Typical Gun Control Advocates

Actually, Vermont and Wyoming are even laxer than Arizona.


In addition to being rebuked by BATF for interfering with 18 on going investigations, Mayors Against Illegal Guns also have more convicted felons among their ranks and the NRA.

Some of the Gang's members have been convicted of assaulting officers and constituents, corruption, extortion, theft, obstruction of justice, bribery, perjury, tax evasion, child porn, battery, and child molestation. They have attacked constituents and police officers, destroyed houses with sledge hammers, and even stolen gift cards donated for the poor. No crime is beneath them and no enormity beyond them.

http://www.stopillegalmayors.com/

All right, maybe "typical" isn't the best word to describe them. Actually, the rank and file, few that they are, are decent but misinformed folks who honestly are trying to make a better world. But these are politicians we're talking about. Criminality and hypocrisy seems to come easy to the criminal safety lobby. Who's to blame?

Well, if we're talking about authoritarianism, as opposed to self serving political theater, it's clearly not the NRA's fault. It is their own fault.

[Straw Man]

29. Tweakers in NY have guns too.

Just like the tweakers in Arizona, they get them illegally because they're mostly convicted felons who can't pass the Federal background check. You know -- the one that is supported by the NRA:

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=219&issue=018

You admit your subject line is deceptive, and yet you let it stand. Bad faith, my friend, very bad faith.

[cleanhippie]

35. your typical gun grabber...

[rl6214]

39. Is this about the same as YOUR ILLEGAL GUN OWNERSHIP?

Not gonna click on your blind blog posts you hypocrite.

[SteveM]

41. Yet another dishonest and prejudicial post:

The OP's headline:

"Your Typical Arizona Gun owner"

Then his first line of "commentary:"

"All right, maybe 'typical' isn't the best word to describe her, but this is Arizona we're talking about."
____________

In a deep-seated intolerance and animosity, the OP describes the "gun owner" as "typical." Does he/she also have a large nose? Big lips? Beady eyes? Dusky appearance? Does he/she listen only to gansta rap?

Then OP claims to own up to his prejudice by saying "'typical' isn't the best word to describe her, but this is Arizona we're talking about." He takes back his half-assed admission and smears an entire State -- just as he has previously smeared Florida -- to somehow say the "Devil made me do it."

Some in these forums say we should let this kind of thing slide. I won't. If someone is engaging in pure prejudice, stereotyping and animosity toward whole groups of people, then I'm going to call his/her hand on it.

The OP has done this before, and he will surely do it again.

[Tejas]

50. I wonder the views of the OP concerning 'protectionism' by Italian firearm manufacturers.

I wonder the views of the OP concerning 'protectionism' by Italian firearm manufacturers, they are up in arms gainst imports of 'black rifles' from the US. Maybe if the OP could singlehandedly kill the US firearms industry then he would be a hero in his country(?)

[Atypical Liberal]

44. Please provide evidence that your average gun owner uses drugs.

Your Typical Arizona Gun Owner All right, maybe "typical" isn't the best word to describe her, but this is Arizona we're talking about.

You know, if I were to post something like this:

"Your typical lying DU poster...all right, maybe "lying" isn't the best word to describe him...", I'm pretty sure I could rightfully expect my post to be deleted.

Sorry, you don't get to insult a broad swath of people with a completely unsubstantiated smear and then say, "Ooopsies, I take it all back, but..."

I'm assuming from the article that this person was a drug dealer, since she admitted to planning to sell the "white powder". I'm also assuming she is passing bad and/or stolen checks.

In short, she is a criminal. She is exactly the kind of person the NRA says should not own firearms, and who should receive stiff penalties for possessing them during the commission of a crime.

[Hoopla Phil]

49. You may want to add the caveat that he cannot use himself as an example

of a typical gun owner. He had illegal guns and was not law abiding (by his own admission).

[Hoopla Phil]

48. Does this accurately describe you when you were a gun owner?

[Jenoch]

51. What we do not know

is if the woman in the story has a previous record that would preclude her from legally purchasing a firearm. Your point was her acquisition of the gun, was it not? If she had no previous record, then she could purchase the firearm legally as long as she was truthful in her response to the questions on the federal form she would need to fill out at the time of the sale, assuming it occurred at a store with FFL.

As for her recent arrest, not enough information was in the news story to comment too much upon it. It does appear she has an addiction problem and it also appears she was forging checks to pay for her drug habit. If she is charged with a felony, I suppose a gun charge will be added to the list of charges, but that was not your point if inquiry, just how she acquire the gun.