Burglar picks wrong house, dies in window.

[GreenStormCloud]

http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/burglar-shot-and-killed-while-breaking-into-home

Police say 29-year-old John C. Bradley tried kicking down the door at a home just two blocks away, near 10th and Lewis.

SNIP (Then he went to another house an climbed in the window.)

In both cases, police say Bradley appeared to be randomly targeting the homes.

Police say once the homeowner saw Bradley around 4 a.m. Then he fired his rifle four or five times, killing him.

When police arrived, Bradley remained slumped over a window in front of the home.

Criminal career is over. Oklahoma has Castle Doctrine. Family can't sue. http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?citeid=446538 Law if effective until 11/01/11 when an even stronger version of it will take effect.

Four of five times with a rifle means a semi-auto.

[Kolesar]

1. (Your vote: -1)

[cleanhippie]

2. (Your vote: +1)

[RSillsbee]

4. (Your vote: +1)

Looks like he's falling behind

[Hoopla Phil]

5. +1

[oneshooter]

9. So you are still pro criminal? n/t

[Iktomiwicasa]

36. (Your vote: +1

[krispos42]

56. (Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours)

[Hoopla Phil]

3. That's called a deadfall ambush. Clearly the home owner

was waiting in ambush for the innocent lost person.

[Jumping John]

6. "Four of five times with a rifle means a semi-auto." No it could mean

a bolt action or pump action.

Or even a single shot if there is time to reload.

Or a lever action.

Semi auto means that each time the weapon is fired, the action of firing initiates the weapon to automatically chambers another round or bullet so that the weapon is capable of firing again simply by pulling the trigger.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

12. It could be...

...a 6.5 mm Carcano-type Model 91/38 rifle.

[AtheistCrusader]

43. I see what you did there..

[TheWraith]

13. It's highly unlikely that you'd shoot someone four or five times with a bolt action rifle.

If you did, that would be evidence that you intended to kill them even after you'd already shot them and neutralized the threat.

Four or five shots in rapid succession, however, does likely indicate a semi-auto.

[Jumping John]

40. No it's not.

[jmg257]

48. Any mention of caliber? Could be the rifle was a .22 or similiar small bore? nt

[ileus]

7. wonder if he had any special accessories....red dot, laser, killer clip.

[melm00se]

28. huh?

wonder if he had any special accessories....red dot, laser, killer clip.

red dots are great for folks whose eyes aren't really that good for iron sights (but don't doany good in the dark. lasers are just another way of aiming and WTF is the last one?

[ileus]

33. You need to hang around here more...

you'll learn what makes this place tick.

[GreenStormCloud]

34. He was being funny. He often leaves off the sarcasm smilie.

The "red dot, laser" was a reference to a previous thread in which an anti-gun person didn't know what they were but he was against them anyway.

"killer clip" means an extended capacity magazine.

His posts are fun but you have to learn his style of humor.

[ileus]

52. I get that a lot...

My kids call me the king of sarcasm...

[Iktomiwicasa]

37. 4 outta 5 means....

...he prolly had a high cap magazine....oh...wait.

[autorank]

8. Senseless celebration of death but...

I did NOT unrec it (since I read the damn thing;)

[ileus]

10. actually its a celebration of life...the home owners safety device worked.

The criminal gave up his life for stuff. Unless that is of course he was going to rape, murder, and steal. We'll never know now...

however.com at +12 right now this thread is starting out strong.

[safeinOhio]

11. An easily secured window would

have saved the home owner a lot of trouble.

But that's too easy.

[TheWraith]

14. Didn't protect the person whose door got kicked in.

But yes, let's keep all the windows closed and locked 24/7. Keep the door bolted. Keep the alarm system on high alert. And then accuse gun owners of "living in fear."

[safeinOhio]

22. Replace all striker and hinge screws with

3 inch screws. Cost about 3 or 4 bucks. Makes it very difficult to kick in a door. 3m and other companies make a cheap easy to apply films that can stop intruders from smashing a window while increasing energy efficiency.
While a firearm is a good form of protection, it should always be the last resort after taking other cheap methods that will stop 9 out 10 home invasions. For more information, just google "cheap home security" for lots of ideas and sources. No one should have to secure their homes anymore than they should have to sleep with a firearm under their pillow.
I'm not saying don't own a firearm. Just saying if you really want protection, there are many non lethal ways to protect your home that will work better and you don't have to worry about your kids playing with a gun that is not locked up. Most people on this site would agree that there are no "good shoots" or "bad shoots", only sad shoots.
One other thing. Many guns used in crimes are stolen guns. With decent home security, your home and possessions are protected while you are not there. Just another way to help keep guns out of the hands criminals.

[Ben Gay]

31. Properly parented kids can grow up very safely with "unsecured" guns.

I managed it and so did virtually all of my friends...we ALL learned how to deal with firearms from very young ages. I owned (yes, owned as far as I and my family were concerned) guns from age 8 as did most of my peers. None of us ever had an "incident" because we knew how to handle potentially dangerous mechanisms safely. What do you mean "no one should have to secure their homes...."??? That doesn't make any sense to me. If somebody is highly motivated to get into your home, it's pretty much impossible to prevent him from doing it if the domicile has any windows, and I can't imagine any sane person wanting to live in a place without some.

[RSillsbee]

21. I can't argue this point

But we don't know how the window was secured

ETA
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I just can't imagine a normal human being that would make it easy to get into his/her home just so he/she might get a chance to shoot someone. Please tell me that isn't what you were implying

[safeinOhio]

23. Look into window films that do more than just

protect against intrusions.

here is one of many.

http://www.diywindowsecurity.com/

[safeinOhio]

26. video of window film vs 12 gauge shotgun

with buckshot and video of door glass vs baseball bat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d14XBQ_C-CM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Maph1a2qFf4&feature=related

[RSillsbee]

30. Again I am asking you specifically

Is anyone who doesn't use this product a rude toter who is just itchin' to murder someone?

I'll tell you straight up if I meet an intruder in my home and they do anything but surrender immediately or turn and run I will open fire.

If I meet an intruder anywhere in the family quarters of the house I will open fire period.

That said all three doors to my home are physically barred when we're home and my widows will take a hammer blow w/out breaking. I actually watched the installer demonstrate it while they were installing them

[krispos42]

57. Not touching stranger's windows in the wee hours of the morning

would have save the criminal from being perforated.


But I guess that's too easy.

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[oneshooter]

16. So if the intruder coming through the window is unarmed

then you must face him unarmed? If he has a knife then you must face him with a knife? Where in the law is that stated? And do you follow that law?

" There is no mention of the intruder being armed or of having any weapons."

Then you must allow him in if he shows no weapons while climbing into your window?

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[jmg257]

17. I think going around kicking down doors and climbing through windows

in occupied houses at 4 in the morning tells us all we need to know about the intruder.

His death might indeed have been needless, but he obviously didn't give his living a lot of thought.

[X_Digger]

19. Utter bullshit.

The home owner had a rifle and fired it four or five times. Did all the shots hit the would be intruder and stop in him? If not how many shots went out the window and hit another house, endangering other people?

What makes you think a miss would have went into another house? Not everyone lives packed like sardines in a suburban yuppie concentration camp.

If the home owner had a rifle, would not turning on the light in the room so the intruder could see it, be enough to stop the entry?

What makes you think the homeowner didn't do exactly that?

If the would be intruder was not armed, this is murder.

Bullshit. What moral or legal precept forces one to use the exact same level of force during an attack? Do you think a homeowner should what, lay out a number of weapons, and wait to see what weapon a perpetrator has before responding? How asinine.

Shooting the intruder once should have been enough to defend the home. The rest of the shots at the intruder could be construed as shooting at someone backing off from a confrontation.

You shoot to stop. If the first shot doesn't stop the intruder, you continue firing. I love how you assume that the first shot was successful at stopping the intruder without even knowing the fucking caliber.

If it were up to me, there would be an investigation and the home owner could be facing at least man slaughter charges, Castle law or no, for endangering others for his reckless shooting spree.

See the first point above. You're pulling that out of your ass.

There is no mention of the intruder being armed or of having any weapons.

And? If you're ever facing an intruder in your home, you be sure to ask what he's armed with. I'm sure you could trust his response, right?

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

18. If only we could make some sort of gun-owner registry so burglers are informed and safe.

Everyone deserves to be able to make the choice of being in a safe gun-free workplace - even burglers.

[burf]

20. I have a suggestion along the lines of your post.

Have all that oppose gun rights put a sign up on their property that states "This home (or business) is a gun free zone". That will make it easier for criminals to identify who is armed and who is not.

[Hoopla Phil]

25. Would it be considered a "deadfall ambush" if you did have guns and put up that sign?

Hummm. . . .

[burf]

32. Only if the guns are

the scary looking black ones!

[ileus]

24. Maybe a "gun owner" inside sign bolted to the door.

[RC]

27. The Breakfast Burglar

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2002892

[Ben Gay]

29. If more victims behaved like Mr. Bradley, the population of gangster thugs would decline

dramatically. Good for him.

[ileus]

35. you can't say thugs...some people will label you racist.

and on person we have here lives in Italy he gets upset if you say gangster.

To these handful of people you of course meant to say misguided innocent victim.

[Ben Gay]

38. Oh, dear..yes, I actually meant to say "disadvantaged person seeking to

equitably redistribute assets."

I'll try to be more accommodating...thanks for the heads up! :D

[Abin Sur]

39. How about dross ... wretch ... reprobate ... scoundrel ... knave...

Take your pick :-)

[slackmaster]

42. I've always been partial to ne'er-do-well

It sounds kind of F. Scott Fitzgerald-ish.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

46. I was going to...

...add brigand but that would only bring politicians to mind. ;)

[spin]

44. I really do not care what race the person who kicks my door down is ...

If I encounter such an individual I will take whatever measures are necessary to protect my family and others who are in my house.

I currently live in a very large home which was once a hotel. In the current economic situation we have often opened our home to people who needed a place to stay while they were looking to find work or were disadvantaged. Several were Black. So far none have been Hispanic or Oriental but that may change in the future. We work to help them find employment and often offer assistance without compensation until they do. We are very fortunate to own our own home and are willing to help others. We are far from wealthy but wealth is irrelevant. I call myself a Christian although many Christians would disagree with me, my daughter is a Wiccan and my son in law is an atheist.

I have absolutely no desire to ever shoot anybody and I personally pray that I never will have to. However, I will if it is absolutely necessary. If an intruder gets by me, they will possibly injure or kill those I love or those who are in my home. I will do my best to prevent this.

[slackmaster]

41. Tragic waste of human life

Mr. Bradley made a series of poor choices, and paid the ultimate price for his behavior.

[spin]

45. Sad but true ...

While I feel sorry for the individual and his family I also realize that poor decisions can have fatal consequences.

[DWC]

47. Solid defense

Glad the homeowner and his family were not injured. Sad for the loss of the criminal's life but he brought it on himself.

Semper Fi,

[Maraya1969]

49. "We don't call 911" Sticker in window. Inbreds looking for an opportunity.

[PavePusher]

50. Well, at least your bigotry is "open carry". n/t

[SteveM]

53. Looking past your bigotry, you raise a significant point...

Posting such notices (or similar ones like "Protected by Smith & Wesson"), only advertises to da thugs you have firearms, making your residence potentially more vulnerable to home invaders.

I do not "look for opportunities," nor do I advertise my armaments. Which are considerable.

[SteveM]

51. umm, Real estate Roulette? In Oklahoma? Guess it beats the lottery. nt

[Kennah]

54. Certainly one way to frame the debate

[Jenoch]

55. I have sympathy

for the homeowner and for the dead guy's family, should he have any.