82yo shoots robber...promises to upgrade to at least a 38.

[ileus]

http://www.wlbt.com/story/15509877/elderly-man-shoots-home-invader

JACKSON, MS (WLBT) -
A home invader got more than he bargained for when he tried to rob an elderly west Jackson couple Tuesday morning.

82-year-old Paul Mikell, a retired brick mason, was awakened about 8:30 a.m. to the sound of his wife screaming. He got his .32 caliber handgun and headed for the front of the house. There he found his wife struggling with a man in his 30's who had invaded their home and was yelling where's the money.

Mikell wanted us to tell you if there is a next time, he will be armed with a more powerful weapon, at least a .38 caliber. :)

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He's old, he's shot someone, and he want's to kill a thief.....should he still be allowed to own a firearm?

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

1. Some people advocate that the elderly or handicapped/disabled should have no right to own guns.

I wonder what they would have a senior citizen do in a situation like this... if they got their wish in disarming some of society's most vulnerable people.

[iverglas]

6. really? any names?

or are you just spewing misrepresentation and made-up crap?

[rl6214]

11. Iverglas, you haven't been around lately but

just check out some of the BLOG postings of one of our regulars here. His latest ones advocate just this.

[iverglas]

16. I know exactly what you're insinuating about whom

and it's as false as it was the first time.

[TheWraith]

28. No, it's not. One of the regular anti-gunners here very explicitly advocates such.

That no one with any kind of physical disability should be armed.

Check around: people can't give you a specific name without it being a "call out."

[iverglas]

30. No, he doesn't.

As I said, I know exactly whom and what you are talking about, and exactly the level of falsehood that is stooped to by those who say what you have said.

[Union Scribe]

35. Oh bullshit

I realize you're probably embarrassed, or should be, at allying yourself to him so early on, but we've all seen the same material and it's not exactly SUBTLE. You should really cut line from that anchor to save whatever fragment of respect others might have for you.

[iverglas]

57. I have not allied myself with him

Nice try, though.

If I agree with someone's position as stated here, I will say so. That means I agree with a particular position as stated. Not that I want to get married.

I just find dishonesty distasteful whatever the source and whatever the target.

Bad luck for some hereabouts, I guess. Having their dishonesty exposed just causes them to deepen the hole they have dug for themselves by displaying some more.

If you imagine that the volume of respect that you and yours claim to have for me is a matter of interest, let alone concern, to me, well ...

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[OneTenthofOnePercent]

14. I'd give you a name/link... but calling out other DU members is a no no.

Check around the forum.
I'm confident you'll stumble across something.

[DissedByBush]

65. Elderly or disabled? Here you go!

The Palm Pistol

http://www.palmpistol.com

Even .38 caliber.

[GreenStormCloud]

2. Bullet placement and multiple shots will solve the problem.

It appears that he expected the thug to go down after being hit once. He should have kept shooting. He was lucky. The article reads that the thug took his gun away from him and then ran when an alarm went off. Thug was later found in a hospital emergency room.

Article doesn't say where the thug was hit, but any bullet in a vital area is better than a major caliber in a non-vital area.

Keep shooting, rapid fire, until the threat is over or you are out of ammo.

[krispos42]

3. Criminals don't usually complain that the bullet they were shot with was too small.

;-)

[iverglas]

7. took his gun away from him??

Nooo. That never happens.

The couple got off lucky, I'd say. Obviously the robber was NOT there to hurt anybody in this case. That might not always be the case.

[rl6214]

12. "Obviously the robber was NOT there to hurt anybody in this case."

And you know this...how?

Obviously he was struggling with the mans wife because he just wanted a dance partner.

[iverglas]

17. he got a gun ...

(which he evidently didn't have one of when he arrived)

... he ran away ...

[GreenStormCloud]

15. As usual you take the criminal's side.

Maybe he fled because he realised that he had a bullet in him and needed medical attention in a hurry.

[iverglas]

18. as usual you say things that aren't true

Colour me unsurprised.

[GreenStormCloud]

20. I have NEVER seen you take the side of a person who uses a gun in self-defense. N/T

[iverglas]

21. oh look, a half-truth

Since I don't "take sides".

What you have actually NEVER seen is me "take the side" of a criminal.

Some people are actually capable of complex thought, and do not see everything in the world as calling for, or even lending itself to, the taking of sides.

I can criticize one person's actions without condoning another person's.

So can you. You might try it some day.

[Union Scribe]

36. You sprung to the criminal's defense so quickly

that you then had to issue a mea culpa for being wrong about what the poor little darling did. GSC had you correctly pegged. Your instinctive sympathies land squarely on the perpetrators' side.

[iverglas]

56. your rush to misrepresent was and is so unseemly

it's a wonder you didn't break your neck.

GSC had you correctly pegged. Your instinctive sympathies land squarely on the perpetrators' side.

And you're as disgusting as each other.

It's a shame you people can't even make sense occasionally.

How many people do you actually know in real life whose sympathies lie squarely and consistently with criminal offenders and against victims of crimes? Any? Even one? Maybe if you happen to consort with criminal psychopaths, you've met one. I don't, so I never have.

That you have to make up such moronic shit to attempt to discredit someone whose actual arguments you are plainly incapable of addressing, let alone refuting, speaks volumes. And not about me.

[GreenStormCloud]

19. He DID hurt someone. He broke the woman's arm.

http://www.wapt.com/r/29307275/detail.html

Sidney Humble is charged with attempted robbery. He is accused of knocking on the door of a home in the 1100 block of Prose Avenue on Tuesday and then overpowering the woman who answered the door, police said. He tried to steal the woman's purse and broke her arm in the process.

[iverglas]

22. mea humble culpa

But in fact, what he was there to do was get money / steal the purse.

[GreenStormCloud]

23. Does that excuse him from breaking her arm?

Obviously he wanted money and obviously was willing to hurt elderly people to get it.

[iverglas]

25. why would it?

Damn you talk funny.

[GreenStormCloud]

27. You are trying to make him sound peaceful when, in fact, he was a VIOLENT criminal.

He used violence against people in their 80s. The resident was right to use a gun to defend his wife and himself.

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[ileus]

53. He only wanted what he felt he deserved. How mean of the owners to resist...

[oneshooter]

54. "He only wanted what he felt he deserved. How un Canadian of the owners to resist...

There fixed it!

[iverglas]

60. another silly talker

Is there a ministry for that too?

[rrneck]

24. Nah. They were just looking for the big Lebowski. nt

[DWC]

4. The article does not say

how many time the perp was shot or if the gun was empty when taken from the defender.

"I wish one of them bullets would have hit him right in the head"

Sounds like multiple hits to me.

Righteous shoot. Solid defense.

Semper Fi,

[GreenStormCloud]

5. Good point. He may have emptied the gun.

That would explain how the gun was taken from him and he wasn't shot.

[SteveM]

8. I was instructed in shooting a .32 snubby by my Dad...

We used an oil drum as a target, about 20' away, but stopped since the slugs merely bounced off, leaving a pleasant little dimple in the rusty metal. I'd take a .22 over a .32, but rely on a .357, now.

[rl6214]

9. Hooray for all those 80+ rude toters that are still able to defend themselves.

[Hoyt]

34. And defend themselves without several so-called assault weapon, hi-cap mags, red dots, etc.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

47. Do you even know...

...what a red dot sight is?

[ileus]

52. red dot is the thinggy you drive the cat crazy with...of course he/she knows.

[Hoyt]

58. As one gunner described it here --"it is useful to clear a room." Now how many law abiding gunners

will be "clearing a room" except in their warped "gun culture" fantasies that keep them adding to their caches?

Fact is, they aren't of much value in self defense. Might be good for hunting, offensive use of guns that many here seem to be preparing for, etc. But not so much against a mugger at very close range -- a few feet. But for some reason, irrational gunners seem to prefer accessories/equipment that prepares them to "clear a room."

[X_Digger]

61. LOL, don't go changing.. and whatever you do, don't educate yourself.

We need the comedic interludes that your lack of knowledge provides.

[gravity556]

62. Really? A cowitnessed red dot has no use in self defense?

Even if it means you can sight the gun with your eye off axis and still hit your target? As for magazine size, it's always better to have too many rounds than too few.

[GreenStormCloud]

64. Clear a room?

For that I use a bowl of red beans & rice w/sausage and cornbread.

Red dots, more corectly called reflex sights, are extremely useful for self-defense at distances where aiming is required. If the attacker is real close then one uses point-shoot. The fact that such sights do best at intermediate ranges makes them best suited for rifles and carbines. Hanguns don't do will with them but laser sights do well with handguns.

[iverglas]

10. kinda screwed his chances there

"I wish I could have killed him. And I wish one of them bullets would have hit him right in the head. ‘Cause I'm tired of the folks messing around with me like that. We are too old for that. I am 82 years old. He ain't got no business doing it. He need to be shot and hung up," said Mikell

With that on the record, he'd better hope he doesn't shoot anybody else. There'd just be an awfully strong argument for intent to kill.

Kinda like in the case of poor old Tony Martin ...

[GreenStormCloud]

13. Mississippi has Castle Doctrine. Statement won't matter.

However, such statements are not wise to make, just in case a person is in a situation that is in any way questionable. But with such a situation as this one he would be fully covered by Castle Doctrine, no matter what he said previously.

[Iktomiwicasa]

26. In the very unlikely event...

...that I was a victim of a home invasion/violent burglary, the perp would be met by a hail of M855 ball rather than a handgun round.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

31. re: "...should he still be allowed to own a firearm?"

Allowed hell, he should be paid a bounty. ;)

[Hoyt]

33. What kind of gunner is satisfied with a .32 or .38? Not many around here.

[Iktomiwicasa]

37. And your point....

...is?

[spin]

38. I don't know anyone who carries a .32 or uses one for home defense ...

I do know a number of people who carry a .38 and/or use one for home defense. I'm one.

I know you love to launch a tirade that accuses gun owners and especially those who legally carry a firearm as having to strap on multiple guns with hi-cap magazines and lots of accessories. Do you even realize that sound like an individual who knows little or nothing about firearms and those who carry them?

[oneshooter]

39. He don't care what he sounds like. It makes him feeeeelll good. n/t-

[Hoyt]

40. How many around here are satisfied with .38? You and, what, one other maybe.

[spin]

41. Several people here carry Ruger LCPs which are .380 auto ...

and less powerful than the .38 +P that I carry.

I personally know other shooters who legally carry even smaller or less powerful firearms. A locksmith that I know carries a .22 caliber S&W Model 317 snub nosed revolver. A retired factory foreman carries an extremely small North American Arms .22 cal min revolver, A retired police officer and range master carries a Bernetta .25 auto. My daughter carries a S&W Model 352PD .22 magnum snub nosed revolver. My son in law carries a Ruger LCP in .380, A co-worker I knew before I retired carried a Kel Tec 9mm pistol and another co-worker carried an older S&W .38 cal snub nosed revolver and his wife carried a Ruger SP101 .357 Magnum loaded with .38+P rounds. At third co-worker carries a Star Firestar 9mm. I did know a businessman who carried a full sized .40 pistol under his suit jacket and I believe that it was Sig Sauer. A guy that ran a popular sandwich shop carried a compact .45 auto.

All the people I mentioned above carry on a daily basis.

I should note that I live in Florida and perhaps in much colder states when wearing a jacket is often appropriate, more people may carry larger pistols. However, the sales of extremely light and compact handguns has skyrocketed since more started to be developed in recent years. Obviously, such weapons are targeted toward the people who carry concealed.

I should also note that the S&W Model 642 .38 snub nosed revolver that I carry is the most popular revolver made by S&W. The individual who owns the house next to mine also has a carry permit and carries the same revolver. The Model 642 is NOT a target or hunting firearm. It is a dedicated self defense weapon.

S&W Model 642
July 29, 2011

Since S&W introduced the model 36 in 1950 at the International Police Chiefs Association meeting Its been one of the most sought after little revolvers in history. Police departments bought “J” frames by the thousands for Detectives while the civilian market purchased them for home defense. Shop owners purchased them to protect their businesses and protect themselves when making bank deposits. In fact there are so many categories of people who carry them it would be impossible to list them all.

In more recent history the model 642 Airweight has been the top selling revolver S&W makes. With the hammer housed inside the frame there’s nothing to hang on clothing when drawing from a pocket or pocket holster. ...enphasis added



Since I retired from police work I still find myself carrying a 642 in a front pocket of my jeans usually in a “Nemesis” holster made for carry in this manner. On a very hot day here in the Midwest nothing is handier to grab and run a few errands. If you find your build makes it hard to carry this way there are jeans made just to accommodate this type of carry. LA Police Gear makes them at a reasonable price. The pockets are larger both front and back to allow the wearer to carry a small pistol or revolver in a front or back pocket as well as speedstrips or magazines to carry extra ammo or other gear of your choice.
http://gunner777.wordpress.com/category/sw-snub-nose-revolvers/

For some reason in your fantasies, people who legally carry firearms walk around with several large handguns with high capacity magazines strapped to their body. They fear leaving their house without their firearm.

I have never known anyone with a carry permit that carried a second handgun and in almost all cases the weapons that they carried had a capacity of from 5 to 10 rounds. None of the people that I have known who carried on a regular basis ever seemed excessively paranoid or fearful. Most felt they probably would never have to use their carry weapons for legitimate self defense. If they had been truly fearful they would have chosen to carry the large handguns with magazine capacities of over 10 rounds that you believe that they do.

Reality is not as exciting as the world you create in your mind.

[Union Scribe]

43. Well, you've been proven wrong again.

It must get old for you after awhile.

[pipoman]

44. .38 special is a serious defensive round used by millions

.32 acp is the absolute minimum round for defensive use. Most people who buy and use .32acp because the guns are cheap and the frames are tiny.
I carried a .38 for years and still have one for home defense.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

45. The .38spl revolver...

...is about the most common handgun in the US, if not the world. It is effective, reliable and affordable. MANY people carry one.

[Iktomiwicasa]

48. Once again....

...do you even have a point? No? That's what I thought.

[oneshooter]

55. He does, but by wearing a hat, he hides it. n/t

[DWC]

49. I am completely satisfied

with my P3AT .380 with a lazer sight and 1 extra, 6-round magazine.

Semper Fi,

[ileus]

51. Laser site....oh one of those rude people killing accessories. rude toter!

[Hoyt]

59. Well, if that is all you own great. If you're like most here, that's your choice when showering

or something similar. Again, if like others here, you have several other choices to fulfill every imaginable scenario. Heck, there's even a whole thread here asking gunners what their choice would be for shooting people fleeing a natural disaster.

[gravity556]

42. I carry a .380 when I don't feel like carrying my G19.

P3AT and a spare mag.

And good shoot by that gentleman. Some piece of shit crook assaulting my wife and I'd shoot till slide lock and then do my damndest to beat the everloving shit out of him with the pistol. What kind of scum sucking fuckbag waste of carbon would assault an 80 year old woman? "Just give him what he wants".... Fuck that, someone sick enough to try and rob an elderly couple wouldn't hesitate to brutalize them to find out where more valuables are.

I hope they catch him and he spends the rest of his life in a 6x9 cell, washing his clothes and shaving out of his fucking toilet.

[jmg257]

46. I'm not satisfied with my .32. It does serve a purpose though, but

is a wee bit small with marginal power. Much prefer the .40.

[ileus]

50. an LCP is all I ever carry in the summer, and maybe soon

to be the only CC firearm of choice. It's about the same size and weight of my cell phone. It's accurate, reliable and conceals easily, these three traits make it a favorite over my other two "full" power EDC choices.

For SD home use however it's not my first choice it stays in the pistol safe at night, and out comes either a fullsized 9, a compact 45 or the AR. After reading on here about the uptick in home invasions I'm not sure what is the proper SD home firearm.