Guess Who's Speaking at the Next Republican Meeting in Pueblo, Colorado?

[CO Liberal]

The president of the Nuts Ruining America.

(I'll post a link if I can find one.)

Now does ANYONE doubt that the NRA is nothing but a wholly-owned subsidiary of the GOP???

[goclark]

1. LOL I thought you meant Kobe's Accuser

I had to pick myself off the floor I was laughing so hard.

On second thought, she might enjoy going to the NRA convention in Colorado.

[CO Liberal]

3. That Was Uncalled For

That poor woman is being put through living hell by the brainless morons who think that an overpaid jock should be defended at all costs. I'd expect to see this post on Free Republic, not DU.

[Superfly]

4. EVERY citizen

should be defended at all costs when faced with charges.

[iverglas]

8. and every woman

... who accuses a man of assault should be publicly vilified.

Have I got this right?

'Cause I'm not quite seeing what public ridicule of a sexual assault complainant has to do with anybody being "defended at all costs".

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[Superfly]

10. WTF??

I never said anything of the sort, nor did I imply anything to that effect.

I did respond to CO's comment that he apparently believes an "overpaid jock" should not be defended in accordance with our legal system.

[iverglas]

12. "apparently"?

I did respond to CO's comment that he apparently believes an "overpaid jock" should not be defended in accordance with our legal system.

Actually, what he SAID was "defended at all costs", NOT "in accordance with our legal system".

And what he SAID quite obviously didn't refer to a "defence" in the criminal justice system. If only because it would not have made sense in that case.

What's "apparent" to some people never ceases to amaze me.

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[CO Liberal]

24. You Misunderstand

I believe that the rules should not be changed to accommodate an overpaid jock, which is what's being done in this case.

[Superfly]

30. OK then...

I don't think rules should be bent in this case either. If he is proven to be guilty in a court, then I hope they give him the maximum punishment afforded for those crimes.

[CO Liberal]

25. And NO Citizen...

...should have the rules changed just because he's an overpaid jock.

[FatSlob]

5. Are you assuming guilt?

Nah, a progressive wouldn't do that. What do you find wrong with defending this "overpaid jock"? Isn't he entitled to all the protections of our system? Isn't he innocent until proven guilty? Doesn't he have the right to a vigorous defense?

[iverglas]

6. sadly, you'd be disappointed

I'd expect to see this post on Free Republic, not DU.

They've been found all over DU.

My favourite was the one who told me that I couldn't really have been abducted, sexually assaulted and almost killed -- because I managed to have sex by my own choice again before his/her idea of a decent interval had passed.

Of course, s/he wasn't intending to tell *me* that, s/he was intending it as comment on the complainant in the Kobe Bryant case, who apparently chose to have sex with someone else a indecently short time after the incident and therefore couldn't possibly be telling the truth about having been assaulted. We all know that a woman who was *really* sexually assaulted would have been a basket case and just felt dirty all over and hated/feared men ... I dunno, whatever it is we women are supposed to feel after being sexually assaulted. (Isn't that why it's done in the first place?)

She enjoyed it ... she's lying ... so many ways to express contempt for women, so many of them so sadly on display at DU.

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[Narf]

9. Isn't Kobe innocent until proven guilty in court?

That poor woman is being put through living hell by the brainless morons who think that an overpaid jock should be defended at all costs.

Doesn't Kobe deserve the same defense that any other citizen deserves when charged with a crime?

[goclark]

14. I agree

I am truly a defender of women.
Kobe is still innocent until proven guilty.
He has rights too .

Because I am African American, I am also keenly aware that we have
been charged, on thousands of occasions,as guilty of crimes that we did not do.
Because Kobe happens to be a Black man,we are sensitive to the fact that HE just MIGHT be innocent.

[iverglas]

16. funny how that works

Because I am African American, I am also keenly aware that we have been charged, on thousands of occasions,as guilty of crimes that we did not do.
Because Kobe happens to be a Black man,we are sensitive to the fact that HE just MIGHT be innocent.

Because I am a woman, I am keenly aware that we have been discredited and vilified, on millions of occasions, when we make complaints of sexual assault.

Because the complainant in this case happens to be a woman complaining of sexual assault, we women are sensitive to the fact that SHE just MIGHT be telling the truth.

And the courts are the agencies we have established for attempting to determine the facts. And vilification of either party outside the courts in an attempt to undermine the legitimacy of the courts' work (and make it more difficult for others who are like the vilified party to obtain justice) is inappropriate. And that vilification is exactly what the intent and effect of the post about the complainant in this case were.

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[goclark]

17. I Happen To Be A Woman Too

[iverglas]

18. good

Then I expect that you found the comment about the complainant in this thread as offensive as I did.

I mean, I imagine you would find it offensive if someone had commented, about the accused, that he might have enjoyed attending a gathering of, oh, watermelon growers or soft-shoe salespeople or noose-makers.

The only sense I could make out of the original comment was that the complainant was a promiscuous woman or enjoyed being forced to engage in sex with groups of men. Perhaps that she's a Republican. I really don't know. If I missed a point, I'm sure someone will explain it.


Oh, christ awmighty -- YOU made the original comment, I just realized.

Well hey, please do explain what I'm not getting, will ya? There's obviously something.

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[iverglas]

15. so many questions

Isn't Kobe innocent until proven guilty in court?
Doesn't Kobe deserve the same defense that any other citizen deserves when charged with a crime?

Why do you ask?

Did somebody suggest that he didn't?

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[CO Liberal]

19. Does That Woman Deserve to be Raked Throuogh The Coals...

...because she had the misfortune of beng raped by an overpaid jock?

:shrug:

[Superfly]

20. And you know this to be true...

eventhough he hasn't been convicted of anything? OK, then...:shrug:

[CO Liberal]

21. Why Is Everyone So Willing.....

...to give Kobe Bryant the benefit of the doubt, and so unwilling to extend same to this woman?

:shrug:

[MrBenchley]

23. I find it even more amazing

that so many people are ignoring the actual point of your post...

[Superfly]

26. How can you say I am unwilling to give the woman

the benefit of the doubt when I never even alluded that? She has every right to sue him, and he has every right to defend himself.

[CO Liberal]

27. Defend Himself, Yes

Have the rules (such as the Rape Shield Laws) bent for his benefit simply because he's a famous, overprices jock is another.

[Superfly]

29. And where the fuck did I say that?

:shrug:

[CO Liberal]

33. That's What's Going On Right Now Here in Colorado

And ya wanna know something interesting?? The same people who keep phoning in to local talk radio defending Kobe and bashing his accuser are the same mental midgets who call in all the time in favor of gun rights....

[Superfly]

34. Bull...shit...

2 words: Prove it.

Jeebus.

[CO Liberal]

35. Tune in CNN or CNN Headline News

They've been reporting it for the past few days.

[Superfly]

37. OK, but here's how your question comes out...

"And ya wanna know something interesting?? The same people who keep phoning in to local talk radio defending Kobe and bashing his accuser are <insert other demographic group here>...."

- the same mental midgets who call in all the time in favor of Cadillacs
- the same mental midgets who call in all the time in favor of living in Colorado
- the same mental midgets who call in all the time in favor of eating Pop Tarts for breakfast
- the same mental midgets who call in all the time in favor of drinking Budweiser (That one I know is true...if only they knew what went into Buttwiper)

If you fall into any of those groups, sorry.

[CO Liberal]

38. No Need to Insert Anything, Superfly

What I was satating was a fact - the same individual people who have been phoning in to local talk sshows defending Kobe Bryant and bashing his accuser are also the same people who phone in advocating gun rights. No demographic group - I'm talking about SPECIFIC PEOPLE.

You know - real, living, breathinf people. Like the people who get killed each and every day by the guns that some on this board seem to worship, fantasize about, and idolize.....

[demsrule4life]

39. I have an idea

why not put the blame where it belongs. There is no reason to be debating this among ourselves. We all want to see a fair trial, we all don't want to see the girl being raked over the coals. Let's blame the press that starts this crap everytime someone that has money get's arrested.

[MrBenchley]

2. The bunch sure never fooled me....

Hope he tells them why America needs a gun magazine for kids.....

[Narf]

7. Isn't the GOP a wholly-owned subsidiary of Haliburton?

[slackmaster]

11. I have one question about this story

Well, two actually:

1. Is anyone surprised? The NRA _always_ addresses the GOP national convention.

2. Does anyone here really care?

[demsrule4life]

13. I wouldnt think so

since most of the "older" progun folks here don't belong to the NRA.

[MrBenchley]

22. Found a link....

http://www.chieftain.com/life/1077087600/2

You might recall Robinson is the humhole who accurately said the NRA would be working right out of the White House in pResident Turd's appointistration...

[CO Liberal]

28. Thanks. Bench

The Chieftain hadn't updated their web site when I originally posted this - the story was in their print edition, which I pick up every morning at the Loaf n Jug.

[MrBenchley]

31. Interesting, isn't it?

Shows what the NRA is really all about.

[CO Liberal]

32. And Why We Don't Need to Pander to the Gun Forces

They look like a lost cause......

[MrBenchley]

36. And they're an extremist minority

to boot...

[FeebMaster]

40. That's interesting.

So I guess that since the NRA is working right out of the White House now, that would make them about as pro-gun as our Republican president. What federal gun laws have they repealed again? I forget.