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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 10:40 AM
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BATFE informs gun dealers not to sell to medical users of pot.
http://blog.norml.org/2011/10/08/feds-keep-fooling-around-with-medical-marijuana-full-cannabis-legalization-or-bust/

"It’s getting ugly and NORML needs your help now more than ever to stand up for the rights of responsible adults cannabis consumers. The Administration that promised to base drug policy on science and respect state marijuana laws is ignoring medical facts, the needs of patients, and the economic benefits that regulated dispensaries bring to medical cannabis-friendly states.

There is no way to sugar coat the terrible past two weeks we’ve had at the hands of Prohibition-loving federal and state governments.

Yesterday, the four U.S. Attorneys from California–along with their respective counterparts here in Washington D.C. from the DEA and IRS–declared that a statewide crackdown against large-scale medical cannabis cultivators and sellers with national implications is currently underway."


So, you can have a prescription for Vicodin or Valium or Codeine or well stocked bar in your home, but if you are medically licensed to use marijuana then you can't buy firearms.

The funny part of this is we may well see groups like NORML becoming strange bedfellows with the NRA. I imagine most NRA folks, being conservative, are probably anti-drug and thus anti-pot. It will be fun and hopefully enlightening watching the conservatives teaming up with the "hippies".
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 11:13 AM
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1. I would say most NRA members are NOT anti-drug anti-pot so long as it's legal.
"I imagine most NRA folks, being conservative, are probably anti-drug and thus anti-pot."

I conditionally disagree.
Groups like the NRA, & ACLU or NORML have common goals - even if they pretend not to like each other.

I spend alot of time on internet gun forums. I'm a member of the NRA. I'm a gunner, gun nut, toter... whatever the antigun people like to call us these days. It's a fun and useful hobby and I enjoy it. But one thing I can say is that there ALOT of conservatives and libertarians in the gun culture and I end up conversing and hanging out with many. I see no reason to let others opinions stand in the way of enjoying my hobby. We keep non-gun politics to ourselves with most of my friends and things stay perfectly civil. :)

I can say, by and far, the majority of NRA gun-types are all for "freedom". NRA type people are also, for the most part, all about following the laws. There are a few bad apples that run around in gun circles, but by and far the gun culture is fairly self policing. In our hobby, when laws are broken the .gov comes down hard on the offenders and it gives the whole culture a black eye. It's an interesting dynamic to have a group that strives to REALLY comply with laws but also idolizes personal freedom.

Basically, typical NRA people disdain ILLEGAL drug usage and are OK with LEGAL drug usage. Most gunners think the war on drugs is mostly bullshit and that the government should not regulate most lesser drug use. So long as we're talking about medical marijuana... Id say most gunnies are just fine with it.

Besides, we've had our version of "medical marijuana" for decades... it's called "SOT/FLL".
Get the permits & license and you basically buy/build/use whatever guns you want legally. :7
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 01:03 PM
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4. Occasionally, the 4473 "marijuana" prohibition is the source of humor...
Like: "I'm not using or addicted; I ran out." Or "When did they do that?" Or "I'm a Mark Twain fan: I quite 20 times a day."

Looks like the feds are intent on ever more confrontation, using the stink-pots of (modern-day) prohibition, the DEA and BATFE.

Sheesh. Seems like these guys have never been in a cold, dark deer blind.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 11:19 AM
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2. why is this getting un-recced?
k&r
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 03:00 PM
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8. Some people here support the ATF's decision. nt
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Remmah2 Donating Member (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 12:38 PM
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3. ATF probably wants to make the sales.
ATF and DEA together. DEAF huh?
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 01:04 PM
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5. HA! I like that.
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Remmah2 Donating Member (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 02:09 PM
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6. Bureau of Alcohol Reefer Firearms?
BARF?
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 02:59 PM
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7. Mingling at one of the dedicated firearms forums can be enlightening on this.
I used to semi-regularly visit the one called The Firing Line. TFL had a strict "no partisan politics" rule in it's discussions: you could complain about, say, specific legislation or even particular politicians, but when it broadened over into "Vote X" or "those damned Yers," it was smacked down. This made for a much more representative crowd there than at other places where a loud obnoxious right-wing minority could chase everyone else off.

The place had as you might imagine a healthy contingent of line-towing right-wingers, but it also had a small but active cadre of Democrats and sundry left-wingers. We didn't often identify ourselves as such, any more than they identified themselves as Republicans, but it wasn't hard to tell who was who.

In my experience, although you get your "stock" right wingers, the firearms enthusiast community tends to attract a much higher than average proportion of libertarians. Or else it converts people from "regular" right-wing-ism to semi-right libertarianism: If their favorite firearm is suddenly on the receiving end of "Look at how evil and immoral this is! It should be banned!", it can give someone a new perspective and even sympathy for others so targeted, including pot smokers, etcetera.
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