Mother Accidentally Shot While Loading Dishwasher

[Fla Dem]

OK from now on the son has to load and unload the dishwasher.


Deputies in Flagler County said a son accidentally shot his mother while he was cleaning his pistol at a dining room table.

Investigators said the 53-year-old Palm Coast woman suffered a gunshot wound to the lower back, but the injury is not life-threatening.

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/news/29486165/detail.html#ixzz1axgcV8mP

[Dennis Donovan]

1. Never clean a loaded dishwasher...

...jeez. Gun Safety 101. ;-)

[hlthe2b]

2. Yup... we need more more more guns...

in the hands of the moronic.... :eyes:

[SteveM]

7. Was she washing a gun in the dishwasher?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

14. I feel a mythbusters coming on. ;) n/t

[izquierdista]

3. Was she loading it with birdshot?

Or buckshot?

I hate it when dishwashers accidentally go off!

[Speck Tater]

4. If everybody carried concealed dishwashers things like this would never happen. nt

[saras]

5. Gun safety needs to be taught. Always look down the barrel yourself while cleaning.

If you were foolish enough to leave it loaded, it's important that you get a Darwin award, not criminal charges.

[ileus]

6. Always make sure you dishwasher is unloaded before cleaning your pistol.

[SteveM]

8. Never bought a dishwasher. I do mine by hand, safer that way. nt

[Remmah2]

9. 27 year old still living at home?

That's the real crime.

[pipoman]

15. This is increasingly common here in the US,

just like in all of the other 3rd world countries with no opportunity..

[chrisa]

10. Stupid people and guns. :(

Why do people insist on cleaning a loaded gun?

[ileus]

11. I suppose a round in the chamber keeps cleaning patches out of the action.

:)

[one-eyed fat man]

12. Tactical Tupperware?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tactical-tupperware

Isn't that stuff was supposed to be dishwasher-safe?

[We_Have_A_Problem]

13. I was going to make some tacky comment....

...about someone cleaning a Glock...

[pipoman]

16. Once again the absolutely idiotic design of Glock

has resulted in a negligent discharge. I would bet this happens weekly (not necessarily an injury, just a nd) if the truth was known. Glock and clones should have fixed this design flaw years ago and should carry some responsibility when nd occur.

[RSillsbee]

17. If you (generic) don't have the brains to drop the magazine and clear the chamber

before you pull the trigger how is that Glock's fault?

[pipoman]

19. Well

it happens all the time that people nd Glocks while breaking them down. The stupidity of requiring a trigger pull to tear the weapon down is amazing to me. It seems it would be simple to engineer a decock to eliminate this oh so predictable safety issue. I had one and never nd while tearing it down, I have read numerous stories where people have been injured by someone thinking the weapon was unloaded. For every injury there has to be 50 nd where the floor is the only victim which are never reported. I have read about this being a problem with leos since Glocks first hit the leo scene. Considering the overall incredible quality and function of Glock, it seems like a nobrainer for them to simply engineer a decock with a pin block.

[pipoman]

20. Oh, and with the decock, they could take away the ability to

fire the weapon without a magazine just like 75%+ of other pistols. This would eliminate all but the most negligent of discharges.

[Kennah]

26. A magazine disconnector is a mechnical device which can fail

Relying upon that and calling it safety is dumbassed.

[pipoman]

28. A seat belt can fail,

a fire extenguisher can fail, brakes can fail, triggers can fail..what the fuck can't fail? What? What is dumbassed is your response.

[Kennah]

31. I wear a seatbelt, but that doesn't make me a safe driver.

[RSillsbee]

21. Someone thinking the weapon was unloaded

Again if you (in the generic sense) do not have the common sense to drop the magazine and clear the chamber ( Which should be the very first thing you do if you are going to clean any weapon)How is that Gaston's fault?

How is Glock responsible for the end user failing to follow a basic safety rule?

You were a Marine were you not? Did they not teach you that you do not touch a weapon without verifying that that weapon is unloaded?

[pipoman]

29. I don't disagree..

it is a simple matter of thousands of nds have likely occurred because of this seemingly easy fix...including the one in the op. It is a feature of the gun which results in injury, why not fix it?

[RSillsbee]

35. Now, I don't disagree

Maybe there is no fix.

[Kennah]

27. This is anecdotal, but more scientific than your blanket assertion

http://www.frontsight.com/SafetyReports.asp?Action=ShowSingle&ID=5

12 incidents: 2 Glocks, 3 SIGs, 2 Springfield Armory XDs, 5 1911s.

Dumbassedness that would not change with a different gun.

[pipoman]

30. I realize that the die-hard glocksters can't fathom

any flaw or improvements which could apply to the sacred glock.

[Kennah]

32. I see a flaw in failing to grasp that safety occurs between the ears

[Euromutt]

36. Like various others, I have to disagree

And it's not because I'm a Glock fanboy. For starters, I'm a southpaw, and I seriously resent the fact that Glock went through three "generations" before they finally deigned to make the magazine catch reversible. And any person with a modicum of critical thinking ability can point out that the phrase "Glock perfection" and "nth Generation Glock" are mutually exclusive; if the design had, in fact, been perfect, they wouldn't have had to modify it three times (and counting). And again, as a southpaw, it was never perfect to begin with, and I speak from personal experience shooting a 1st-Gen G17 in the Dutch army in 1994.

But I refuse to accept that the design of the Glock is "absolutely idiotic." It is utterly unforgiving of error, I'll grant you that; fail to obey any basic rule of safe firearms handling with a Glock and ugly things will happen. But honestly, the need to pull the trigger before disassembly shouldn't lead to NDs, let alone NDs resulting in physical injury, unless you--the wielder--have violated multiple rules of safe gun handling.

The only way the firearm will discharge when you pull the trigger prior to disassembly is if you've left a round in the chamber. And if you've done that, it's not the gun's fault, it's because you fucked up. If the firearm discharges when you pull the trigger prior to disassembly because you didn't clear it properly, and the bullet strikes another person, that too is because you fucked up twice by allowing the muzzle to cover something you weren't prepared to destroy, on top of not clearing the gun properly in the first place.

And let's put thing in perspective: we hear a lot about NDs with Glocks, but we have to bear in mind that the Glock design, in all its variations of size and caliber, is the most common design of handgun in America after the 1911 (in all its variations), and probably the most popular model worldwide. Compare the fact that the most common caliber in shootings is the .22LR; it's not because it's such a lethal cartridge, but rather, because it is the most popular chambering for firearms.

[spin]

18. Keep the damned muzzle pointed in a safe direction. Here's an article on cleaning your Glock ...

I'll just excerpt the part that applies to when you pull the trigger prior to disassembly.

Gun Cleaning 102 Cleaning a Glock

By Kathy Jackson

***snip***

Disassembling a Glock

First, check that the chamber is empty. Do this even if you followed all the steps above and "know" it is empty. There is a good reason to be obsessive about this: you must pull the trigger in order to disassemble your Glock. It would be highly embarrassing to put a hole in your safe backstop if you didn't have to!



Next, find a safe backstop. If you are on the ground floor, you may consider the floor as a safe backstop for this step. If you live in an apartment, you may have to build a safe backstop for yourself (this isn't as hard as it sounds; see the article about Safe Backstops for ideas). In no case will you try to disassemble your Glock without having a safe backstop, because that would involve multiple violations of the Four Rules.

Gently lower the slide on an empty chamber and, with the gun aimed at your safe backstop, pull the trigger. (Do not put any body parts in front of the muzzle while pulling the trigger!)
http://corneredcat.com/Glock/

[RSillsbee]

22. First, check that the chamber is empty. (Pax knows her shit)

First, check that the chamber is empty.First, check that the chamber is empty.First, check that the chamber is empty.First, check that the chamber is empty.First, check that the chamber is empty.

Good God man (not you Spin) how many different ways can you say that?

[spin]

23. One time a friend from out of town stopped by my house ...

Shortly before I had been at the range shooting and I was cleaning my firearm when he arrived. I finished and our conversation centered largely around shooting. I left the unloaded weapon on the table and occasionally would pick it up to demonstrate a point or I would hand it to him if we were discussing a subject such as how to hold the weapon.

At the end of our conversation he laughed and pointed out that he had counted and I had checked the weapon five times to see if if was loaded even though there was no ammo in the room. I told him that every time I pick up a firearm I determine if it is loaded and if the weapon leaves my hands, I assume that it might have magically loaded itself and I check to see.

[RSillsbee]

24. Once, when I was in the Army (3/11 FA)

The BN CSM wanted me to hold the BNCDR's pistol (We were getting ready to go to the field) anyway, he picked it up off his desk, cleared it and handed it to me. I took it from him , cleared it and put it in the cargo pocket of my BDUs. He got all pissed off at me and wanted to know if I thought he wasn't capable of properly clearing an M1911A1 (That right there should give you an idea how long ago this was). I told him I meant no offense but I was taught never to touch a weapon w/out clearing it.

[spin]

25. Better safe than sorry. (n/t)

[slackmaster]

34. The screaming message here is that you have to violate at least TWO of the basic gun safety rules...

...simultaneously in order to create a real risk of an accidental discharge resulting in injury or property damage.

Basic gun safety should be taught in public schools.

[slackmaster]

33. Basic gun safety should be taught in public schools.

Unrec for posting a local news story in the Guns forum without any commentary to link it to the designated forum topics.

[DissedByBush]

37. It used to be taught

Ninth grade for me, mandatory.