In Gun Friendly Ohio - 2 Dead 1 Wounded

[mikeb302000]

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2011/10/18/shooting-leaves-2-dead-one-hurt.html">The Columbus Dispatch reports

Two men were killed and a woman was hospitalized last night after a triple shooting in western Licking County. Licking County deputies were called at 4:45 p.m. yesterday to a reported shooting. There, they discovered the bodies of Brian Scott Kolesar, 38, and Charles W. Cheadle, 75, inside a car parked on the road.

Sounds like your typical domestic violence, which it was.

Thorp said in a news release today that Arnold and Kolesar had been involved in a troubled relationship. Cheadle was Arnold's father. Fairfield County Sheriff Dave Phalen said deputies went to the residence yesterday in response to some kind of family disturbance. They hoped to have Kolesar committed, he said.

This is where our lax gun laws and lax attitudes towards gun ownership cost lives. The guy in this story was not fit to responsibly own a gun, everyone knew it, but nothing could be done. Isn't it likely that http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2011/09/solution.html">My Solution would have screened him out? Do you think a guy that volitile could have withstood a serious background check which screens for criminal and misdemeanor violence as well as mental health problems? I doubt it.

http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2011/10/mandatory-drug-testing-for-gun.html">How about drug testing for gun ownership? We've discussed this lately. Don't you think that would screen out some of the guys like this? I do.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
http://www.mikeb302000.blogspot.com/">(cross posted at Mikeb302000)

[Tuesday Afternoon]

1. "They hoped to have Kolesar committed..."

This is where, as a nation, we are failing our mentally ill.

[Katya Mullethov]

6. As a nation

and as a message board .

[Tuesday Afternoon]

10. true.

[mikeb302000]

34. We certainly are failing our mentally ill.

The best thing we could do for them and their wives is make guns extremely difficult to get ahold of. That's not the impossible task the gun guys like to pretend it is, nor would it violates anyone's rights. On the contrary, it would protect people's rights.

[AtheistCrusader]

37. We already have a system for that.

That a couple states do a bad job of tracking it, isn't a national problem.

[SteveM]

38. Especially if we ignore the 5th Amendment. This is how one is judge

mentally incompetent. It's called due process, and the requirement is in place through the NICS test. What's the issue?

[rl6214]

45. What's this "WE" shit?

Are they having some sort of problem in italy? Maybe you could get the Vatican involved.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

49. who is this we to whom you are referring?

the Italians :shrug:

looking for the easy way out again, I see.

wanting to blame the tool for the man's problem.

[Glassunion]

9. OMG, I skimmed the threads before reading the article. I thought you were calling out Kolesar...

Oddly enough he is from Ohio.

Kolesar, say it ain't you man!!!

[Kolesar]

47. I've had two classmates murdered and somebody put two slugs into my boss

That's as close as they have come.
This stuff isn't theoretical to me.
Thanks for asking.

[Glassunion]

48. I'm glad to hear it was not you.

:)

[PavePusher]

51. +1 n/t

[Atypical Liberal]

2. Yes, Virginia, people commit crimes with guns.

I've noticed as of late that instead of any meaningful policy debate, your blog spam as devolved into nothing more but a police blotter.

We get it. People commit crimes with guns. They always have, and they always will. I won't support punitive actions against the vast majority of people who own firearms and obey the law.

Yes, relatively free access to firearms means that some people will use them to commit crimes. That's just part of the price of living in a free society.

I have no problem with people who recreationally use drugs owning firearms. It happens every single time a gun owner cracks open a cold beer. I don't have a problem with that. Now using firearms while under the influence should, of course, be illegal, as it already is. But just owning firearms while recreationally using drugs has not been a problem so far, and should not be.

[liberal N proud]

3. If everyone carried guns, this wouldn't have happened

:sarcasm:

[DonP]

11. You are the only person here saying that

Unless of course you can point out an NRA or other article claiming that?

Didn't think so.

[liberal N proud]

12. It is repeated here all the time

And then when it is thrown back at times like this, we must offer proof.

:rofl:

[Marengo]

13. Links to prove "It is repeated here all the time"....

would be most beneficial to your credibility.

[SteveM]

40. "...beneficial to credibility." Begs the question. nt

[PavePusher]

14. Cite or retract. Your choice. n/t

[Tuesday Afternoon]

20. I would no more make everyone carry a gun than I would make everyone have an abortion.

ludicrous.

[spin]

22. The only people who ever say the guns owners advocate everyone carry guns ...

are those who are opposed to gun ownership not those who support RKBA.

[DonP]

32. Well, we asked for proof because it's a lie

No one besides gun control supporters, not the NRA, not anyone here, has ever said that.

That's what we call a lie.

But I'm sure you can provide plenty of examples since "it's repeated all the time".

Or you could try an honest comment for a change, but I doubt it.

[ManiacJoe]

36. Actually it is repeated here very frequently.

Unfortunately, it is the anti-gun folks doing all the repeating, usually with the sarcasm tag.

[SteveM]

39. It's repeated by you. And you know it. So, where's the proof? Got cites?

You know you don't have any, right?

[Simo 1939_1940]

21. I've been following this debate on this board (lurking)

for a long, long time - and have yet to see a gun rights supporter make this claim.

[spin]

23. Welcome to DU ...

Hope you join the debate in the Gungeon, no matter what side of the issue that you are on.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

25. Hello and welcome to DU

:hi:

[Callisto32]

26. Welcome aboard.

The posting train, I mean.

[Simo 1939_1940]

29. Thank you, all.

I'm an advocate of the RKBA, and am passionate about gun control by virtue of the self-inflicted damage that Democrats have delivered themselves over this issue.

Thanks for the welcome!

[SteveM]

41. Lying by the prohibitionists has become public sport. nt

[Simo 1939_1940]

52. This has been my observation as well. NT

[Callisto32]

27. hmmm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

[ileus]

33. hErE I'Ll say It "If eveyone had a GuN thIS wouLDN't haVe haPPeNed."

there you happy?


Now everyone can link back to this post as proof smoeonE said it....OnCe

[ileus]

4. I didn't think Italy's gun laws were lax.

[gejohnston]

8. compared to DC, NYC and Chicago, they are.

[socialindependocrat]

5. I am a Dem but I own guns...

The idea is that law abiding citizens should not be limited in their ability to make personal choices.

If we stopped everyone from owning guns only the police and criminals would own guns -

You are not going to stop the production of guns.

It's like Afghanistan - the Tali ban has the guns and the regular. peaceful people don't.
If we leave Afghanistan, the regular people get slaughtered by the Tali ban.

Sometimes the solution is counterintuitive.
If you have more people carrying guns, the bad guys don't know when they're safe from harm.
Simply, thieves don't break into homes where they know there are guns because they may get shot.
I choose to protect myself because the police show up after the incident is over and then they don't catch the bad guy because life is not like TV.

This may tick you off but, the woman was shot by someone she knew owned a gun and was unstable.
Would you choose to stay with someone who had probably threatened you before?

Unfortunately the woman was playing Russian Roulette with an unstable person.
Others would have walked away long ago.

I don't mean to upset anyone. I just want to put some other ideas on the table.

[mikeb302000]

35. thanks for the remarks, but this one makes me wonder:

"If we stopped everyone from owning guns only the police and criminals would own guns - "

I'm about as strict a gun-control guy I know, and I don't want that.

http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2011/09/solution.html">My solution is such that about half of the present gun owners would continue to enjoy their guns.

[socialindependocrat]

44. Thank you for considering a compromise!!

I think that there is a lot of logic to what the NRA fights for as far as personal gun rights.

If two people can sit and chat, you may not end up agreeing but
each person walks away with a better understanding of the other's position.

Thank you for you time and consideration!!!!

[rl6214]

46. Your "solution" looks pretty empty since...

NO ONE is going to click on your blind link.

And where in the hell did you come up with this gem:

"about half of the present gun owners would continue to enjoy their guns."

You've got some stats to back that up, from your magic solution that you aren't willing to share except on your blog?

Of course you don't because we know where you pulled that gem from.

Ah a polished turd is still just a turd.

[gejohnston]

7. So you are saying that if

the US Virgin Islands had strict gun laws, these crimes would not have been committed? That they not only have the highest murder rate in the US, but also would rival Jamaica and Honduras. After all, it is not like they can get them from Florida.


http://articles.cnn.com/2010-07-12/justice/teen.tourist.killed_1_teen-tourist-shooting-crossfire?_s=PM:CRIME

Oh wait, umm. OK, they are not quite Chicago, but not Vermont and Wyoming either.

http://www.vipd.gov.vi/Departments/Office_of_the_Police_Commissioner/Firearms_Unit.aspx

Drug testing for what even many progressives like Jerry Brown view as a civil right? Oh that's right, you are not that big on due process.

misdemeanor violence as well as mental health problems

Actually in parts of Europe, they would.

edit to remove link that was not relevant. After reading the article closer, I think the ATF agent made a "good shoot". Of course, USVI officials disagree. But then, I don't know USVI law on the issue.

[AtheistCrusader]

15. That's odd. The Republicans want to drug screen for Welfare.

Maybe you can compare notes or something.

[gejohnston]

17. I don't know about all

Republicans, but I do know in Florida's case, Rick Scott owns many of the private labs. Guess who will be making money on that?

[AtheistCrusader]

18. Yep. Pretty good bet, if they make a move at all

it's to take a shit on someone's rights, or make some money. Sometimes they hit the hat trick and do both at the same time.

[SteveM]

42. Jeez. Bad as Rick Perry's supporters owning labs. nt

[AtheistCrusader]

16. I'd like to know what your definition of 'gun friendly' is, when Ohio is more restrictive than Washi

ngton State.

http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/OHSL.pdf

[ileus]

19. Must be because the have a lot of duck hunting...

[jeepnstein]

28. Used to be even more so...

when this guy was in office.



A fine Democrat, one of the best. He grew up hunting for food for the dinner table and can probably shoot as well as anyone I've ever known. They lived in a chicken coop for a while after a house fire and were the textbook example of stone cold broke. He never forgot what that was like. I can't say that of the elitist we now have occupying the Governor's Office.

[petronius]

24. Link to the original article?

Standard DU practice is to provide a link directly to copyrighted material you quote from (I'm assuming that's what this is?)...

[Glassunion]

30. Your solution is lacking in detail and too vague to accomplish anything.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=468360&mesg_id=468879

[rl6214]

31. No link to the story. Where are you getting this information?

-1 for no link to any story. Two links to your blog, -2.

"My Solution would have screened him out?"

What is your solution? You want us to read it, post it, don't hide it in a blind link to your blog.

"Do you think a guy that volitile (sp) could have withstood a serious background check which screens for criminal and misdemeanor violence as well as mental health problems?"

Misdemeanors are not disqualifies for gun ownership, but of course you knew this, right? Or maybe you are out of touch blogging from your castle in italy or you UN office?

"How about drug testing for gun ownership?"

Again, a blind link to your blog. Do you advocate drug testing for any of the other constitutional rights? How about voting, do you advocate drug testing if you are going to vote?

“They were hoping to pink slip this guy but he didn’t meet the criteria. He wasn’t endangering anyone or endangering himself,” Phalen said. “We really didn’t have any reason to arrest him or commit him.”

So your "solution" would have overridden this? You must have some amazing powers.

Stick to feeding the poor and hungry out of your UN office. You don't know what you are talking about when it comes to gun control. Hopefully you are better at that.

Unrec for the usual reasons.

[Union Scribe]

50. He violates copyright law like he violated gun laws. nt

[aikoaiko]

43. I wouldn't mind reading your solution, but I don't like clicking on blind links.