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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 04:54 PM
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CBS's Atkkisson: "Fast/Furious" guns found in 11 violent U.S. crime scenes.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20093557-10391695.html

Sharyl Atkkisson reports new evidence pointing to the discovery of "Gunwalker" arms at eleven (11) violent crimes within the United States.

"The number is provided for the first time in a written response to Republicans investigating the gunwalker scandal. In the case, agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) say they were ordered to allow thousands of weapons into the hands of suspected gun traffickers for Mexican drug cartels. In its letter, the Justice Department indicates it doesn't have enough information to know how many weapons have been used in violent crimes south of the border in Mexico."

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There have been some posters in this forum who question any such crimes have occurred within the U.S. Atkkisson now provides evidence submitted to the Congressional committee investigating the Gunwalker/Fast & Furious scandals.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 05:26 PM
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1. Very interesting link ...
This news gets little attention. I follow the Fast and Furious scandal closely and I missed this little tidbit.

Thanks.
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Oneka Donating Member (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 05:43 PM
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2. Interesting that,
Congress should have to make "deals" with DOJ, to get them to cooperate with a congressional investigation

The agreement provided that Congress would allow the nomination of the Justice Department's choice for Deputy Attorney General, James Cole, to move forward in June. In return, the Justice Department would give detailed answers to specific questions about the ATF gunwalker scandal.

I would have thought a subpoena would have been enough to get them to answer questions.
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 05:53 PM
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3. Nah... That would be just silly.
The only way our government moves is either: corruption, bribery, threats or leverage.

Leave your ethics at the door.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 01:36 PM
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7. In an earlier post, I speculated that perhaps Justice and Congress...
are contemplating a deal which would end the whole "fast/furious/gun walker" investigation as both the GOP and the Dems have more invested in them than meets the eye: (1) G.W.Bush's own "gunwalker;" (2) a broader, more fundamental goal of destabilizing the Zeta cartel's rise in political power by arming the Sinaloas. Only speculation, but this could be an indication. I wonder how much leverage Issa has before he is reined in by GOP/national security higher-ups. He gave up a standard GOPer bargaining chip pretty early: blockage of appointments.
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 07:53 PM
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4. Here is a number I would like to see:
Percentage chance of a Fast/Furious gun being later used in a violent crime vs. same for all firearms, generally.
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dizbukhapeter Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 11:02 PM
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5. Probably higher
Fast and Furious guns were intentionally funneled to gunrunners.
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 06:52 AM
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6. That's my point.
The government says that civilian guns are a problem. Seems the government guns cause many more problems.
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 08:13 AM
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8. And everybody uses different tactics
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/10/lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-in.html
This has been a common complaint for well over a year , so I would expect another year at the minimum before the gringo press even gets wind of it . It's basically the same kind of false flag op as FNF , only those guys are a lot more proactive . Remember this when you hear "Zeta this , Zeta that" . "The Cartel*" can steer the news cycle as well .


*SinochapoloaMx.gov
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