WV man shoots teen in leg and back...

[ileus]

http://wvgazette.com/News/201111020058

Chapman then allegedly found Josh Sovine, 19, hiding behind a bedroom door. He warned the teenager not to move, but Sovine rushed him instead, Agee said.

During the ensuing struggle, Agee said Sovine was shot first in the thigh and then in the back as he turned to flee, Agee said.

[slackmaster]

1. Basic gun safety should be taught in public schools.

Every child deserves to learn that guns are dangerous, and that a person who is pointing a gun at you deserves respect.

[Cronus Protagonist]

2. A person pointing a gun at me deserves derision and recrimination

I have no respect for a buffoon with a gun. None. I will act accordingly while it is pointed at me, of course, because there's nothing worse than a shooter with an itchy trigger finger, but once the gun is pointed away from me, the depths of my derision and disrespect will become known.

[atreides1]

3. Even if you break into their house?

[Cronus Protagonist]

4. Of course, I wouldn't do that

Since I'm not a burglar or a shooter. They deserve each other, but threatening death over the potential loss of a piggy bank or a DVD player is literally overkill and should not be assessed as respect-worthy.

[SteveM]

8. Wrong again...

"Since I'm not a burglar or a shooter. They deserve each other,..."

Unfortunately, this reveals a moral equivalency between one who is committing a violent felony, and one who is defending him/her self. This attitude is a corruption of non-violence as practiced by Gandhi and King.

"but threatening death over the potential loss of a piggy bank or a DVD player is literally overkill and should not be assessed as respect-worthy."

Not only does this continue your vulgar "moral equivalency," but places the power into the hands of a felon by assuming he/she is only after your stuff. This goes beyond vulgar pacifism to fool heartiness.

"Even manslaughter may be necessary in certain cases. Suppose a man runs amuck and goes furiously about sword in hand, and killing anyone that comes in his way, and no one dares to capture him alive. Anyone who despatches this lunatic, will earn the gratitude of the community and be regarded as a benevolent man.9" -- M. Gandhi.


Gandhi considered one's life, family, property and religion as worthy of self-defense, by Ahimsa or otherwise; personally, I assume someone who is IN MY HOUSE by breaking-in as a threat to me; property is secondary. I will warn first; if compliance is not displayed, I will take violent action.

[iverglas]

12. what's vulgar?

You and your ilk pretending that a man who devoted his life to the service of the oppressed and to the cause of social justice and the quest for social harmony would cross the street to piss on you.

http://www.clubrunner.ca/Data/5170//HTML/143461//PRESSRELEASERotaryPeaceConference.pdf

PALM SPRINGS, CA., USA… October 15, 2011 – Peace is Possible, and on November 13, 2011 Rotarians and peacemakers on the west coast will gather in Palm Springs at the Palm Springs Convention Center to discuss this very theme at the Rotary Peace Conference. This event, hosted by Rotary International Director Ken Boyd is one of a series that have taken place throughout the world.

“What is special about the event is our Keynote Speaker Arun Gandhi, grandson of Mohandas Gandhi, and the public is invited,” says Host Chair Dr. Garbis Der-Yeghian. “Mr. Gandhi, founder of M.K. Gandhi Institute, will share his views on non-violence with riveting and unique reflections on the personal and historical legacy of his grandfather, Mohandas Gandhi.

“He will set forth a message of integrity, social harmony, inclusion and peace in the wake of terrorism, international conflicts, immigration debates, and religious, political, and ideological differences that threatened our future as national and global citizens. Welcoming the public to the event is a unique opportunity for them to meet and to hear Mr. Gandhi,” said Dr. Garbis.

Ask the real trustees of Gandhi's legacy what they think of your ugly using of him for your ugly ends, will you?

[Union Scribe]

13. "...quest for social harmony would cross the street to piss on you."

No, I reckon he wouldn't do that. Not that I'd want some impossibly perma-outraged internet poster doing it either.

[iverglas]

15. oh, that's cool with me

I won't be wanting any sociopathic armchair people-hunters on my side of the street anyhow.

[Xithras]

5. Luckily, I don't much care about the RKBA viewpoints of people breaking into my home.

If you break into my home and I point a gun at you, I don't really care whether you respect me or have derision for my decision. A little fear might be healthy for your longevity though.

Break into my home and I'll point a gun at you. Charge me, and I'll shoot you. If you die, it was your own dumbass decisions that put you in that box.

If the kid didn't want a gun pointed at him, he shouldn't have been breaking into peoples homes.

[SteveM]

6. Wrong: A situation where a gun pointed at you should be respected...

And you have acknowledged such in your statement when you "act accordingly."

There are ample examples of thugs going spittle-fly once they are taken down and secured; but who cares, then?

[MicaelS]

7. If you don't want to get a gun pointed at you

Don't break into people's homes. Don't try to rob businesses. Don't assault people on the street on in their cars.

You don't do any of these things you won't get guns pointed at you by decent people.

[slackmaster]

9. Derision and recrimination are appropriate, but only at the proper time and place

i.e. not when the person is pointing a gun at you RIGHT NOW.

Anger management - How does it work?

[krispos42]

10. If you are committing no crime...

...real or imagined, then you are right.

[Union Scribe]

14. Lol.

"As soon as you put that gun away...I'm gonna totally disrespect you..."

That's going to devastate the other guy. Devastate him.

[iverglas]

16. and here one had thought

you were so clever at interpreting the written word.

[Union Scribe]

17. Yeah, we know, we're all illiterate apes except you.

Buy a new insult book, eh? Or at least turn the page.

[iverglas]

18. I give up

I'm gonna totally disrespect you...
That's going to devastate the other guy. Devastate him.

Did you honestly think that your pretending not to grasp the meaning was going to make the other person look foolish?

I guess if you really and truly didn't grasp the meaning, not exactly deep as it was, you really would have thought you were making the other person look foolish.

Which is sadder?

That's a tough call.

[oneshooter]

19. So you would rather stoop to fisticuffs? How uncivilized! n/t

[Paladin]

20. "Guns Are Dangerous"?

I thought the line was "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

And how are cash-strapped public schools supposed to pay for this gun-use education you're so hot for? I hope you've got a better response than the NRA's agenda-driven Eddie Eagle program.

And as long as you're advocating "respect" for people who point guns at us, why not go the distance and pimp for "fawning admiration"?

[iverglas]

11. got a gun? then it's self-defence!

A burglar hiding behind a door and then trying to run away.

Choice: let him run away or shoot him.

Funny. Let him run away, and you haven't got a fucking god damned thing to "defend" yourself against.

But hey. You wouldn't get the pleasure of giving him what he deserved. And a lot of armchair people-hunters wouldn't get the joy of cheering you.