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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:47 AM
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Father accidentally shoots son in stomach
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52900648-78/wyant-son-gun-shooting.html.csp

A father and son learned an important lesson about gun safety Friday night at an indoor shooting range in Taylorsville. In a mishap, the son was shot in the stomach but is expected to fully recover.

A father in his 50s and his 16-year-old son just finished target shooting at Doug’s Shoot’n Sports, 4926 S. Redwood Road — an indoor shooting range and gun shop — at about 6:30 p.m., said Taylorsville police Sgt. Tracy Wyant. When the father put his .45-caliber handgun in a case it accidentally discharged.

A round struck the teen in the finger and then in the abdomen, Wyant said. The teen was taken to a local hospital in fair condition, but was upgraded and expected to make a full recovery.

The accident serves as a good gun safety reminder to stay vigilant when handling guns and use proper technique, Wyant said.

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Jumping John Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:56 AM
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1. I wonder how much he will take for the 45? eom
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duhneece Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 12:00 PM
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2. It's also a reminder of the increased probabilities that your family
will be shot if you surround yourself with guns.
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lbrtbell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 12:18 PM
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3. Let's take that a step further
How much do you increase your family's risk of injury if you own a car? There are more car accidents than gun accidents.

There are also a lot of drownings. Let's ban home swimming pools.

There are a lot of accidental overdoses. Let's get rid of medicine.

And so on, and so on....
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 04:00 PM
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15. let's try reading it for comprehension
What the post said was:

the increased probabilities that your family will be shot if you surround yourself with guns

So what you want to ask is not:

How much do you increase your family's risk of injury if you own a car?

... it is:

How much do you increase your family's risk of car-related injury if you own a car?

Kind of tautological, isn't it?

Families not living in fairly large urban centres in the US would not be able to survive economically without cars, as I understand it. Abysmal public transit systems. The same is true in rural areas of Canada.

Is the same true of guns?

Nope.

Analogy go boom.

Oh, and are children required to be restrained in carseats or seatbelts when in cars, and parents subject to penalties if they are not, even if no one is hurt? They sure are where I'm at.

Swimming pools? Very true; a source of increased risk of harm and not exactly an essential family asset.

Here are the rules applicable to residential swimming pools in Canada's capital, just fyi:

www.ottawa.ca/residents/bylaw/a_z/pool_enclosures_en.pdf

CONDITIONS OF PERMIT ISSUANCE

12. (1)Every pool shall have an adequate enclosure erected around it in accordance with the
provisions of subsection (2) to subsection (6) inclusive.

(2) Every enclosure for a pool shall be:
a) at least 1.5 metres (5 feet) in height, and
b) of a close-boarded, chain link or other approved design, to reasonably deter children from climbing it to gain access to the fenced-in area.

(3)Openings through or under any part of the enclosure shall be of a size so as to prevent the passage of a spherical object having a diameter of 100 mm (4").

(4) Gates in the enclosure shall:
a) provide protection to the enclosure,
b) be equipped with a self-closing and latching device located at the top and inside of the gate,
c) be lockable,
d) despite paragraph c), every gate in an enclosure for a pool that adjoins a space that is accessible to the public, including but not limited to a public park, a golf course, or a highway, shall be lockable and locked at all times except when the gate is being used for access or egress by the property owner or by any one who has the property owner’s consent to enter or leave the property.

(5) Barbed wire or fencing energized by electrical current, sharp projections or any other dangerous characteristics shall not be used as an enclosure for the pool.

(6) Where a wall of a building is used as part of an enclosure, all doors located in the wall of the building shall be equipped with self-closing, self-latching and locking devices, or in the case of a door, located a minimum of 1.35 metres (4' 6") above the door threshold.


Of course, we also have laws about securing firearms in the home against access by children or any other unauthorized person.

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fightthegoodfightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 09:23 PM
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16. Making Excuses
Pools, cars and medicine are not designed to kill.

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ObamaFTW2012 Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 10:34 PM
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18. Guns aren't designed to kill
A gun is a tool designed to propel a projectile on a ballistic arc toward a target, and deliver kinetic energy to that target upon impact. That's it. How that is used is entirely up to the person operating it. In combat, soldiers use them to kill the enemy or destroy their assets. In law enforcement, officers use them to take criminals into custody, and to defend their own lives (as well as the lives of others). For private citizens, we use them for self defense, hunting, recreational target shooting, and competitive marksmanship.

To say, "guns are designed to kill" is as ridiculous as saying, "cars are designed for vehicular homicide".
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libinnyandia Donating Member (526 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 12:35 PM
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5. The right to own guns is a right second only to freedom of
religion, and for many even more important:o)
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:52 PM
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13. Actually, most RKBA defenders support the other rights strongly, but some "liberals"...
do not support the Second or the Fifth.

TEST:

Do you support banning the purchase of a firearm because you are on a terrorist watch list?
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:49 PM
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12. Could you please provide a source? Cites? Thanks. nt
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 12:27 PM
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4. Interesting. I wonder what company manufactured the .45 auto ...
For some reason I suspect that it might have been a Glock.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 12:47 PM
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6. Another article about family togetherness with guns. Hope kid is OK and dad rethinks guns.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 02:38 PM
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7. Wow. That's one of the places I go to practice when I'm in SLC.
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 02:39 PM by PavePusher
Dumb-ass didn't unload before casing his firearm, and didn't keep muzzle down-range while doing so. (Both direct violations of the rules there, IIRC.) Bet he doesn't do that again, if they even let him come back.

Hope the kid recovers fully, and that Dad remediates his cranio-rectal inversion syndrome.
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 10:17 PM
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17. Agreed. He should be perma-banned from this range.
He also failed to put the safety on. Honestly, what kind of idiot would stuff a loaded firearm back into its case. It's easy to make sure there's not a round in the chamber before packing it up.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 04:01 PM
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8. NEGLIGENT discharge.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 08:45 PM
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9. I'm thinking maybe another 45 instead of a 40 as my next buy...
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 09:02 PM
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10. I was thinking of a
Walther PK380 to go with my P-22.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:07 AM
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11. time for a google dump
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:54 PM
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14. "...some mosquito species refrain from flying more than twenty feet above..."
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