Apparently, some people in Madison, Wisconsin think word magic actually works...

[friendly_iconoclast]

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/crime_and_courts/blog/crime-and-courts-want-to-keep-guns-out-of-your/article_40e105ca-0ca6-11e1-9267-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=story

Crime and Courts: Want to keep guns out of your home? Buy a 'no-gun' sign from the city


...Now that Wisconsin allows people to carry concealed guns, here's one thing you might want to know: That includes your home. That means that everyone from the Mary Kay lady to the plumber can come into your home packing heat, unless you tell them they can't, or unless you post a sign.

The law, which allows people to apply for licenses to carry concealed guns, knives, Tasers and billy clubs, went into effect on Nov. 1.

People who oppose the law -- according to some polls they make up the majority of the state -- might be put off at having to stick a sign on their door to keep guns out of the home. But I think it beats having to tell everyone who comes to the door that they need to put their gun in the car.

So I'm going to buy a sign, which are being sold at the Madison City Clerk's office in Room 103 of the City-County Building at 210 Martin Luther King Blvd., from 8 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. The sign, a 5-inch-by-7-inch vinyl sticker, costs $5....

What's the over/under for the first example of some place with one of these signs being robbed or burgled?

I'd put it at "before the year is out".

[krispos42]

1. Maybe I can make my millions selling these

Extra arrows, $6.95

[rrneck]

6. Think about neon. nt

[krispos42]

9. Isn't neon passe? I was thinking bordering the arrow with LEDs.

;-)

[rrneck]

10. Showing my age.

:thumbsup:

[krispos42]

12. LOL

I was showing my kid a webpage of 11 sounds that probably hasn't ever heard before... rotary phone, typewriter, turning the dial on a TV set, a TV station signing off for the night, a record player dropping a 78 on the turntable, a mechanical cash register at work, flash cubes, the ding-ding of a service station's bell, stuff like that.

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/106713?.




I've heard all of these myself. My kid's only heard one... and that's because a 92-year-old family friend still has the rotary phone upstairs on the wall. I showed him it maybe two months ago. :-)

[TheWraith]

17. I saw a typewriter just last week.

It was for sale at the local antiques shop. (Evil grin)

[gejohnston]

19. rotary phone

the bell is my cell ring tone

[GreenStormCloud]

36. Me too. My cell phone rings like a phone of 40 years ago.

That way I don't have to listen to the tune to know that it is my cell that is sounding off.

[iverglas]

37. I once broke the dial off my rotary wall phone

That was back when you called 611 to get repair services to come out and fix your phone if you broke it.

So all I had was the doohickey that the dial was supposed to be attached to, but no dial to stick my finger in to make it stop rotating at the right place. So I took the doohickey and rotated it all the way around to the end to dial "0" for Operator. (Can you still dial "0" for Operator?)

The operator answered, and I said: Can you connect me to repair services please?

And the operator said: You can dial that yourself!

... And I said ... Oh no I can't.

And we had a good chuckle.

[krispos42]

55. :D

I guess it beats bothering the neighbors!

[SteveM]

39. Eats too much electricity; poor style statement in the 'hood.

[rrneck]

43. I gotta catch up with the times. nt

[SteveM]

44. Somebody floated a neon street adress on the side of their house...

here in Texas. The minute a second neighbor did the same, the first took his down. Now, none exist. Some styles require precise uniqueness; you can get away with pink flamingos for only so long.

[iverglas]

16. I've always thought that was a scathingly brilliant idea

Completely inadvertently brilliant on the part of the sign poster, of course.

When the bad guys come looking for an empty house to burgle, which will they pick?

The one with guns, or the one without guns?

Hmm. Tough choice.

[krispos42]

29. Depends on how well they can tell if the house is empty, I would guess.

However, there are more variables in play than just occupancy status and gun-ownership status.

[iverglas]

30. hm, waiting for the people to leave would be one way

There are more variables at play ... than can be seen in your moronic billboard you mean?

Yup, that's about what I was saying.

A residence with firearms is a much richer target for thieves than a residence with no firearms.

[gejohnston]

38. depends

I doubt the average meth head around here would be able to crack my safe to get guns or cameras. Nothing else is worth stealing, try fencing a five year old PC that runs Linux. I am also 100 percent certain that I have no blood diamonds. Given the economy around here, there is always the risk of hitting the wrong house with a laided off redneck filling out job applications while cleaning one of his guns.

[SteveM]

40. Make the choice tougher: Don't tell 'em, either way. nt

[iverglas]

45. fine by me

Don't compel people to deface their homes with signs if they want to inform visitors that firearms may not be brought onto the premises.

Put the onus on people carrying firearms to seek permission, just as they would if they wanted to smoke or had an animal with them.

People do allow relative strangers into their homes: door-to-door salespeople, insurance agents, municipal and utility employees, friends of friends, healthcare workers ...

It's that last one I find most obnoxious. Who is going to say "no" to a healthcare provider even if they ask? Or a social worker, say. People who are not on a level playing field with the other party should simply not even be asked if that person may bring a firearm into their home; no one going to someone else's home to provide health care or a social service should even contemplate taking a firearm with them.

One of the most disgusting things I've seen here was a link that showed a visiting healthcare provider "open carrying" a firearm. No one should be intimidated in their own home by a healthcare provider or social worker, and we all know perfectly bloody well that not everyone in the world, when in the vulnerable position of needing health or social services in their home, will look at the gun and think "isn't that a lovely display of somebody exercising their rights".

My over-80 mother was laid up for several weeks last year with a broken leg. She had her doctor, public health nurses, assessors for the community care agency, people delivering and picking up mobility devices, various neighbours, etc., all in and out of the apartment where she lives alone. The idea of any of them bringing a firearm into her home, or even taking advantage of her vulnerable situation by "asking" permission, is simply outrageous.

[gejohnston]

47. health care worker?

Personally, I would not be intimidated. But then, where I'm from, you can open carry but no one does and I doubt few would care. If anything you would get sarcastic question about being afraid of aboriginal attacks and how are things "back east".

[Old and In the Way]

2. It's like hunting...unless you post sepcifically that your land is noit open to hunting, then it is.

Sucks...should be the opposite, IMHO. Same with this law. Those that want people in their home with concealed weapons ought to post their sign that guns are welcome.

[Euromutt]

5. Open land and houses are a bit different...

It's hard to tell just by looking at it whether a particular piece of land is privately owned, and if so, by whom, whereas you can fairly find the person you need to ask permission to enter a residence (namely, inside said residence).

Incidentally, private land is not open to hunting by default in Washington, my own state of residence. Hunter's ed material makes it very clear that you can't hunt on private land without the owner's permission. The main reason people put up signs is because their land is adjacent to public land, and it's not always evident where the property line is.

[Jackpine Radical]

That varies state-by-state.

In WI the law used to permit access if the land wasn't posted. That changed. South Dakota still has it the old way. In amy other parts of the world, people can pretty much walk on each other's land under most circumstances--England, for example. I think our laws took the right to block out the public too far.

[SteveM]

41. Florida used to require "Posted" no-hunting signs if you didn't want hunters...

on the land. If my Dad and I found land which was not posted, we would hunt it. No one ever called our hand since the land-owners were usually timber companies or real estate speculators, and weren't around to tell us otherwise, or didn't care. This may have changed.

[one-eyed fat man]

48. When I was stationed in Wisconsin

If the land was fenced, or obviously under cultivation it did not require posting. That was 35 years ago.

In North Dakota if a landowner posts land "No hunting" he is unable to hunt it himself. There landowners must post the name, address and phone number of who to ask for permission. There is little doubt that the city dwelling hunters in Bismark and Fargo outnumber the landowners in the western part of the state has something to do with that. They allow roadhunting too. Drive-by shooting has always been an urban hallmark.

[Oneka]

50. In North Dakota

there is a seperate "general trespass law" which allows for just about any sign, to be posted with no name or number, but still carries the
same weight as a no hunting sign, with the name of the land owner.
I ran into this situation back in October, My nephew , brother and I scouted a large harvested pea field at sundown, near a town Called Berthold.

There were no signs up as dark settled in. we chose the field for our Saturday morning hunt, and proceded to set up several dozen decoys and some
coffin blinds. we spent 2 hours setting up in the dark, starting before 5 am. as we drove our vehicles out of the field we then noticed the
no trespass signs, that had been put there the night before. The signs were not signed, and had no numbers on them. page 4 of the regulation
has the pertinent information on trespass law concerning hunting in ND.

http://gf.nd.gov/regulations/waterfowl/pdf/waterfowl-guide.pdf

Having spent the time setting up we obviously didn't want to leave the field till we were done hunting, and with no name on the posted signs,
we thought we may be able to stay. just to be safe we called a local conservation officer, who informed us of the seperate trespass law and how it worked. he then asked us to leave the property which we did.

The signs were put up by a group of hunters, who were entered in a hunting contest, they had no permission from the actual landowner, the signs were removed on sunday morning. We managed to get on the field again the following Monday and got our limits of ducks and small Canada geese.

[Old and In the Way]

23. Should have qualified the law to my State, Maine.

The fact that I need to post my property to say "no hunting" bugs me. The cost and time to do this is my burden and I don't hunt. I have no problem with hunting, per se, but, relative to total population, the majority who don't hunt have to post their property. Should be the opposite, IMHO.

Same holds with this law. Why should I have to put up a sign in my door or window saying "guns not allowed"? That should be the default position for the homeowner. Do I have to start patting people down to make sure they aren't carrying? The expectation should be, you don't enter someone's home with a concealed weapon...period. Those that like people carrying concealed weapons into their house are more than OK to post a sign on the door saying, "we encourage you to bring concealed weapons into our home." It's a ridiculous and unwarranted intrusion by the government to force the non-hunter/non gun user to have to carry the burden of this documentation.

[GreenStormCloud]

3. As a matter of courtesy I never carry concealed into another's home. N/T

[friendly_iconoclast]

4. Nor would I. The problem with these signs *isn't* with people like you and me,...

...who would scruple to obey them. The ones these Madisonians need to worry about are the lowlifes who will read them
as "Easy Pickings Here!".

[Hoyt]

13. Link, facts, statistics, etc., please. That's what gunners always ask for.

Maybe that sign/message will do society some good when more folks let it be known they have no tolerance for someone who would stoop to carrying a gun in someone's house.

I can't leave my gun on my bike -- yea, but you could leave the dang at home. You guys crack me up.

[Union Scribe]

15. "Leave my house, home invader! I will not tolerate your carrying a gun here!"

Good luck.

[friendly_iconoclast]

22. Why do I hear that in Rainn Wilson's voice?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512235/

[friendly_iconoclast]

32. Err, that should have been "...in the Crimson Bolt's voice"

Damn allergy medicine..

[gejohnston]

20. back in the 1970s

National Council to Ban Handguns used to send out decals with the red line through the revolver to put on house window with "there are no guns in this house." It got out that those houses got targeted for home invasions, so they stopped.

[Hoyt]

25. Show proof.

[friendly_iconoclast]

28. Why don't you run the experiment yourself? Post *your* house.

In fact, why don't you download and print up a few of those signs and hand them out? Let us know how many takers you get...

[Hoyt]

34. So you don't have any proof?

[friendly_iconoclast]

49. I'm not the person that said it.

[gejohnston]

51. It was 1974

If I can find an online reference, I will let you know. Obscure things don't always make it online. But a friend of mine's parents got one of the mailers with sticker and a "please send money". NCBH later became Handgun Control Inc, now known as Brady. Do they still send the stickers out?

[Hoyt]

52. When you find proof, let us know.

[gejohnston]

53. will do but

it does seem like common sense, right? Look for the easy mark. If you are a street thug, do you aim for the distracted person talking on the phone or the person who acts confidant and is aware of the surroundings? Same concept. Granted if I wanted to get guns, I would look for the NRA sticker. I would also make sure I was 100 percent certain no one was home when I hit.
Now if I had an old NCBH sticker and put it up, would that be baiting?

[Hoyt]

54. Baitng? No, because no one is looking for your house. So put your gun down and take a break.

[gejohnston]

56. I know no one is

like I mentioned before, the guns are in a safe that is meth head proof, as are the cameras. Five year old PC with Linux (that doubles as stereo), don't have cable, and 100 percent that I have no blood diamonds Everything else? Not worth stealing even if you get through the solid doors. Some call me cheap, some call me a non materialistic bohemian, some even call me a beat up pick up truck driving redneck.
I call myself someone who thinks the more junk you own, the more the junk owns you. And there are the green three Rs.

[friendly_iconoclast]

21. Reread what I posted *verrry* carefully, Hoyt.

Even a great intellect like yourself will eventually realize that the people you need to worry about don't give a shit about
signs like that, and never have.

[Hoyt]

24. Exactly, and it happens so dang rarely that you are crazy worrying about it.

Besides, I don't care about your having a gun in your house. We're talking about some gun toter carrying guns into other people's houses. I would not dream of taking my machete into other peoples houses even if legal. Would you dream of carrying a chainsaw into someone's house -- then why a friggin gun?

[friendly_iconoclast]

27. I wouldn't carry a gun into someone elses' house unless I cleared it with them beforehand.

BTW, is your house posted in a similar manner? If not, why not?

[AtheistCrusader]

7. I always ask permission.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

8. Most of the homes I visit know I carry concealed and do not care

Some even offer to secure my weapon for me. It is a bit of an special circumstance since I am on a motorcycle most of the time, it is safer to keep the weapon with me rather than leave it on the bike.

[ileus]

11. talk about a bunch of paranoid ninnies....

[iverglas]

18. I believe we do

Quite often.

Imagine, people who won't leave home without their gun.

Boggles the mind, doesn't it?

[spin]

35. It may boggle your mind. It doesn't boggle mine. (n/t)

[iverglas]

14. no, here's the real question

Not:

What's the over/under for the first example of some place with one of these signs being robbed or burgled?

but:

What will be the measure of glee expressed by Guns forum posters the first time it happens, and how exponentially will their glee expand the second and third time it happens?

How about:

Why should any person be compelled to deface their home to ensure that some asshole does not bring a gun into it?

People have been saying "Do you mind if I smoke?" for some decades now. I don't know a soul who would dream of lighting up in someone else's house without asking or already knowing that smoking was welcome. I'm a smoker. I sure as hell wouldn't.

But the cretins who - and we won't speculate on why - cannot set foot outside their own door without their guns affixed to their bodies, they don't have to ask anyone's permission. They may do as they bloody well please, where and when they please, unless somebody puts up signs telling them not to.

Do they need to see a sign before they refrain from peeing on somebody's broadloom too?

[friendly_iconoclast]

26. I won't be happy (or surprised), but rather saddened that some will not have thought it through.

And as far as your smoking analogy: Most of the places I go don't allow it, nor does my place of employment.

None of them attempt to prevent people from carrying cigarettes inside. I don't smoke, but I don't demand that my friends that
do smoke not carry tobacco into my home- as long as they don't light up while they're inside here...

[iverglas]

31. of course you won't

That wasn't the sound of hand-rubbing I heard. Not at all.

And as far as your smoking analogy: Most of the places I go don't allow it, nor does my place of employment.

Gosh, and that would actually be a problem for my smoking analogy if your post had not been about PEOPLE'S HOMES, as was mine.

I don't smoke, but I don't demand that my friends that
do smoke not carry tobacco into my home- as long as they don't light up while they're inside here...

Oh, look, a specious distinction. I'll bet you knew that.

I've never met anyone who didn't want tobacco products in their home.

I know a lot of people -- hm, I think that would be "every single person I know" -- who don't want firearms in their home.

Or the people they rode in with.

[friendly_iconoclast]

33. Hmm. You seem to have mistaken me for one C.M. Burns....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_crvGziPn3g

[MicaelS]

42. And when people with these signs dial 911,

And the ARMED police show up, I hope the police tell each and every one of them

"I'm very sorry, but we can't help you. Coming on your property with a gun would violate your principles and we don't want to do that."

[iverglas]

46. aren't you a sad case?

Yes.

Anybody who has to talk nonsense like that because they very evidently have nothing worthwhile to say is.