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mikeb302000 Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 04:45 PM
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Gun Owner Obsessed with Obama - Sounds Familiar
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2011/1116/White-House-shooting-suspect-obsessed-with-Obama-VIDEO">The Christian Science Monitor published a wonderful article about the White House shooter.

http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2011/11/bullet-in-exterior-of-white-house.html">Dog Gone already covered it, but I liked the "obsession" angle.

A man with an apparent obsession with President Barack Obama has been arrested in Pennsylvania after the Secret Service discovered two bullets struck the White House while the president was away, authorities said Wednesday.


What's your opinion? Too bad there's not a simple test for obsessive thinking, we could recommend that those guys be disarmed too. http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2011/08/my-official-goal.html">That would probably bring it up to 75% (only kidding).

Please leave a comment.
http://www.mikeb302000.blogspot.com/">(cross posted at Mikeb302000)
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 04:47 PM
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1. An unstable delusional man with a criminal record can easily buy an AK and shoot up the White House
Edited on Fri Nov-18-11 04:48 PM by jpak
Thank you GOP/NRA

douchebags

yup
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We_Have_A_Problem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 04:54 PM
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2. You have actual proof he bought it...
...through legal channels?

I'll bet you don't, but hey, why let things like facts get in your way, right?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:07 PM
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5. you have proof that somebody said "legally"?
Perhaps you left your glasses in the other room. The word was "easily".

Does that help?

Somebody bought the thing legally.

And then it was, oh, teleported to Ortega by the force of his obsessive thoughts, I imagine.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:35 AM
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8. Maybe he stole it?
Maybe he smuggled it into the country?
Maybe someone gave it to him?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 03:27 PM
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15. yes ... and ...
Maybe he stole it?
Maybe he smuggled it into the country?
Maybe someone gave it to him?


#2 seems fairly improbable. (But hey, maybe the US needs to control its borders, if it's a possible.)

#1 and #3 involve people in legal possession of the thing allowing it to fall into the hands of someone who used it to shoot at the White House. Kind of my point.

(How can somebody be charged with trying to kill someone who wasn't in the country? One of those "impossible attempts" we learned about in law school and wrote "exam question" next to, I guess. Should be interesting.)
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 04:41 PM
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17. Whatever, some gun nut had to buy it in the first place.
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mikeb302000 Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:55 AM
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19. Maybe you haven't thought it through enough.
You see, even if he bought it from his crack dealer, the gun originally started out legally owned by somebody. All guns do. That's why lawful gun owners are to blame, at least in part, for the mess we have. And that's why most gun control laws must focus on the law-abiding gun owners.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:01 AM
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20. If you think it through enough
you realize that all gun control laws focus on law-abiding gun owners. What mess? I thought Italy had safe storage law like Canada's.
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 08:10 AM
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24. Where did your illegal guns come form? NT
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 04:58 PM
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3. Maybe he woke up one morning and it was in bed with him.
Maybe the gun fairy brought it.

Don't rule that possibility out.
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We_Have_A_Problem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:01 PM
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4. And maybe, just maybe, he obtained it illegally...
Don't rule that probability out either.
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DanTex Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 09:54 AM
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10. Yes that's possible
Thanks to the NRA, the current regulatory structure, with no registration system, no background checks in the secondary market, etc. makes it far too easy for straw purchasers and gun traffickers.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 10:23 AM
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11. Right.... because criminal black markets become impossible when you invoke word magic.
I find it hard to understand the level of idiocy it must take to believe in such magic.
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DanTex Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:18 PM
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13. Don't be too hard on yourself!
I have an idea. Maybe someday you might want to visit another country, where they have sane gun laws. That might help a lot with your understanding difficulties. You'll find that their rates of gun violence are only a fraction of what we have here.

Experiencing different cultures is a fun and eye-opening way to broaden your mind!
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 02:08 PM
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14. I am certain he has
I remember him mentioning that he lived in UK for years. I do know for a fact I have. I don't know how you define as "sane gun laws." Speaking for myself, I lived in Japan, South Korea, Oman, Saudi Arabia. I a have also visited Mexico, Singapore, Thailand, Philippines, Bahrain, Germany, Thailand, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and UK.

I agree, experiencing different cultures is a fun and eye-opening way to broaden your mind!

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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 03:30 PM
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16. open invitation!
to my neighbourhood, a kind of crappy area in the core of a major Canadian city.

We could have a contest, to see how long it takes and how far must be travelled, to buy whatever it was that Ortega was using illegally. Or heck, a handgun.

You and I could round up a few people and conduct the same exercise on the streets of a couple of major cities in the US.

The team with the most loot at the end of the day wins.

Who's got the starter's pistol?
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 11:06 PM
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18. Ask your local friendly dope dealer
See what kind of background check he requires to get you a gun. He might even have a low crime trade-in. Just used by a little old lady to jack cars on Sunday coming out of church.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 02:37 PM
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26. oh dear, you seem to have missed the point
I've had a number of dope dealers as neighbours over the years. In 25+ years at this location, I have never ever seen a gun or heard a gun, or heard of a gun, in the vicinity. And the chance of a local dope dealer being interested in getting me a gun ... well, maybe, for a price that would knock you sideways I expect, and that would be out of the reach of any of his regular customers for sure. But I still kind of doubt it.

I'm willing to alter the terms of the contest though. The most loot for the least expenditure. How's that?
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:36 AM
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21. Ignorance from you? Whoda thunk it...?
For your edification, I've lived for extended periods in three non-U.S. countries on three non-North America continents, and visited over 20 more. Japan, Great Britian and Zaire, to be exact. G.B and Zaire had high levels of violent crime. Japan had high levels of suicide.

Your mind is as empty, assuming and bigoted as the rest of your authoriarian ally chuckle-heads. Good luck with that.
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DanTex Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 02:46 PM
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27. Multiple sentences from you? I knew you could do it!
So how did you manage to keep your head buried in the sand that whole time, with all the globe-trotting you did?
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 06:09 PM
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6. It's more amazing that...
...a delusional man who committed criminal acts has been elected and lived in the White House.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 06:19 PM
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7. And just how is the NRA responsible for this?
did they steal all the mental health funding?
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 08:33 AM
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9. Yes indeed, too bad.
"Too bad there's not a simple test for obsessive thinking..."

We could apply it to speech just like you wish it applied elsewhere.

Would YOU like to take such a test?

Do YOU think you'd pass?



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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 12:40 PM
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12. Suddenly that "one strike" shit sounds pretty good. nt
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Uncle Omar Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 05:58 AM
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22. PROOF THAT ALL GUNS NEED BAN IN USA
WE NEED TO BAN ALL GUNS IN THE USA. I AM UPSET THAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE GIVEN UP THAT GOAL. OBAMA NEEDS TO BAN GUNS NOW!!!
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:08 PM
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25. I did not know Democrats ever had that goal
when was this?
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 07:46 AM
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23. Jesus was a gun toter...he drove so goddamned fast.
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Remmah2 Donating Member (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 04:33 PM
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28. Nuts with guns vs Nuts with computers
Both can do harm.

What about people who are obsessed with people who own firearms?

Was Freud correct?
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