Is Mayors Against Illegal Guns fated to dry up thanks to Michael Bloomberg?

[friendly_iconoclast]

Not that they didn't have their problems to begin with (search "Stop Illegal Mayors" for several examples), but I rather think
the Daley-like tactics of their founder, co-leader and chief financier against Occupy Wall Street will doom them.

I note that in contrast to say, two or three years ago, those that applauded MAIG and Bloomie here have said little or nothing
about them recently. They are headed down the same road that the Million Mom March traveled.

[TPaine7]

1. We can only hope. n/t

[jeepnstein]

2. It's hard to be the Vanguard of the Masses...

when nobody wants to go down the road with you. MAIG will be history once Bloomberg is out of office.

[DonP]

3. Soon they'll join the American Hunters and Sportsmans Assoc.

In the crowded graveyard of organizations that were supposed to counter the NRA.

The problem with the MAIG may be too many of their members convicted of wrongdoing or missed out on re-election.

But how could that possibly happen with gun control being such a popular issue?

[ileus]

4. Let's hope so...

[Simo 1939_1940]

5. Sorry - but I'm still convinced the backlash cometh.

:sarcasm:

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

6. No. They're fated to dry up because they're paddling against the tide.

[Name removed]

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[We_Have_A_Problem]

8. Needed gun control?

You do realize your side is now on the same relative side as the KKK right? You're actively working to suppress a civil right...

You may not like guns, but that does not mean you can force that choice on others.

Not every democrat is pro-gun-control. Some of us very much enjoy ALL of the bill of rights, not just the parts you agree with.

[Hoyt]

15. Not another comparison of poor, pitiful plight of gun owners to civil rights struggle of minorities.

You guys will do or say anything to protect your precious guns.

[beevul]

24. Do not assemble near open flame...

That straw man, that is.

"Not another comparison of poor, pitiful plight of gun owners to civil rights struggle of minorities."

The only one in this thread defining "civil rihts" as "civil rights struggle of minorities", is you, hoyt.


And no matter how much you dislike it, the second emandment is at this time, a constitutionally protected civil right, just as the first amendment is.

Now, you don't really think protected speech is only for minorities, do you?

[Hoyt]

25. Sorry, I forgot you are in a "well regulated militia" and carry a gun or two in public.

[friendly_iconoclast]

28. Hate to break this to you, Hoyt- He may very well BE in a "well regulated militia"

The unorganized militia of the United States. So am I, and so are a lot of other people you don't want carrying guns.
Too bad, so sad:

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/10C13.txt

-CITE-
10 USC CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA 01/07/2011

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 10 - ARMED FORCES
Subtitle A - General Military Law
PART I - ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS
CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA

-HEAD-
CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA

-MISC1-
Sec.
311. Militia: composition and classes.
312. Militia duty: exemptions.

-End-



-CITE-
10 USC Sec. 311 01/07/2011

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 10 - ARMED FORCES
Subtitle A - General Military Law
PART I - ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS
CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA

-HEAD-
Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes

-STATUTE-
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard
and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of
the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the
Naval Militia.

And as militia members, we should be able to carry a couple of these issue handguns around:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M9_pistol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_P226#P228_.28M11.29

Don't like it? Do something about it, then- Step away from the keyboard, get out of the basement and get moving on getting that part of the US Code repealed. Of course, it would be much more difficult than endlessly whining about "gunnners" at an online forum,
so I suspect they'll be much wind and no windmill- as usual.

[Hoyt]

38. Oh that's definition you guys use -- I guess when you turn 45 you'll turn your guns in?

I've seen that BS before and it means nothing.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

41. That's true...

...it doesn't mean a damn thing when it comes to exercising my rights. Militia status is not a condition upon which the right is based.

[rl6214]

42. So everyone in our armed forces has to retire when they reach 45?

[beevul]

35. It seems you forgot lots of things...

It seems you forgot lots of things...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=471413&mesg_id=471939

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=383593&mesg_id=384188

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=411467&mesg_id=411641

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=417674&mesg_id=418723

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=362693&mesg_id=363411

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x407723#408053


Those links up there, the majority of those are responses to YOU, telling you, and in most cases reminding you, that you've been told already, that I DON'T carry a gun.

If you're going to continue being snide at people who carry guns in public, presumably because they carry guns in public, you might try actually directing said snideness AT someone who actually carries a gun in public. Or at the very least, you might try actually remembering when you've been told in multiples, who doesn't carry a gun in public.

:rofl:

Second, you apparently forgot that the bill of rights is not a "individuals can" document - that isn't how it works. Its a government may not - or in this case, SHALL NOT - document. You may not like that, but that IS what it is, and thats the way it goes. Contained in the constitution is a process to amend it. I suggest you focus your energies there. Good luck.

In the mean time, I suggest some self examination - specifically, ask yourself how repeating outright falsehoods which have been debunked ten times each for every hair on your head and/or utterances based on those falsehoods...Ask yourself how doing those things helps your cause.

Ask yourself what gains you can attributte to such things.

And be honest with yourself about the answers.

[oneshooter]

36. I have to agree with you this time Hoyt.

You really are sorry.

[Tejas]

34. ie: Martin Luther King being denied a permit?

Your sheet, er, slip is showing.

[Hoyt]

39. What's that got to do with anything? Bigots ruled the south by carrying guns -- and right wingers

continue that disgusting "tradition" even today.

Are you saying MLK should not have sought some protection from the gunners of the 1950/60s? -- Which he never got.

In any event, saying that the "plight" you gunners keep whining about is anywhere near as rough as what MLK and millions of other minorities faced is disgusting. But typical.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

46. And armed blacks fought back against them effectively and defended MLK and others

Look up Deacons for Defense sometime...

[SteveM]

47. Whatever rule bigots have over blacks now has little to do with guns...

since the mid 1960s when the last of Jim Crow laws began to quickly collapse, taking along with them the various gun bans prohibiting blacks from keeping and bearing arms. Any armed terrorist group in the South would be well advised not to swagger up to the home of a black man or woman with the intent of doing harm, as was done in the past. They are likely to smell cordite.

Please be advised that King's attempt to get a concealed-carry permit under Alabama's Jim Crow laws was rejected. Fannie Lou Hamer, however, just kept guns all over her house. Rosa Parks also was armed. And King had armed guards overseeing his home after it was bombed in the mid-1950s. But you know how prohibition "works."

The Civil Rights Movement not only expanded the rights and protections of blacks with regards public accomodations, schools, and the rights as outlined in the BOR, but expanded those rights to include the right to keep and bear arms. Jim Crow does not rule the nest in the South anymore.

He squats and stinks in some Northern cities, though.

"The Bill of Rights, the first ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution, delineates specific rights that are reserved for U.S. citizens and residents. No state can remove or abridge rights that are guaranteed by the Constitution."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Civil+Rights

[PavePusher]

44. You're going to need a lot of this:

...for that chapped ass you get about Civil Rights.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

9. You wouldn't be...

...accusing anyone here of being the R-word would you? Freedom is, most of all, respect for dissent.

[AtheistCrusader]

11. Individual firearm ownership is a progressive right.

I don't care that it bothers you.

[Hoyt]

16. No it is not.

[AtheistCrusader]

17. Repeat it all you like.

Won't help you.

[PavePusher]

45. La-la-la-la-la-la, I can't hear you, la-la-la-la-la....

Get the Balm yet? Better use it on your ears as well....

[ileus]

43. it's the most progressive right.

[Euromutt]

13. The only smearing being done in this instance...

...is of MAIG's image by their own members. They're making it quite clear whose side they're on, and it's not that of the citizens they supposedly serve. I'm sure that realization is unwelcome to you, but don't try to blame us for Bloomberg's behavior.

[virginia mountainman]

14. See how your side looses....

One comment supporting Gun Control, brings on a barrage of "dissenting voices", and for every poster that disagrees, their is a motivated voter.

This is why Gun Control is being consigned to the dust bin of failed policy.

For every 1 person that might only luke warm, support it...Thier is quite literally about 20 that utterly hates it with the white hot passion of a thousand suns.

[RSillsbee]

20. You do kno wthat bloomie's a rethug right?

Republican anti-gun-control agenda

In 1969, journalist William Safire asked Richard Nixon what he thought about gun control. "Guns are an abomination," Nixon replied. According to Safire, Nixon went on to confess that, "Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles."

It was President George Bush, Sr. who banned the import of "assault weapons" in 1989, and promoted the view that Americans should only be allowed to own weapons suitable for "sporting purposes."

It was Governor Ronald Reagan of California who signed the Mulford Act in 1967, "prohibiting the carrying of firearms on one's person or in a vehicle, in any public place or on any public street." The law was aimed at stopping the Black Panthers, but affected all gun owners.

Twenty-four years later, Reagan was still pushing gun control. "I support the Brady Bill," he said in a March 28, 1991 speech, "and I urge the Congress to enact it without further delay


http://reformed-theology.org/html/issue11/dont_blame_liberals.htm

Yup it's that Republican anti-gun-control agenda

[oneshooter]

22. I believe that he is now an independent. As if it really matters. n/t

[S_B_Jackson]

27. Bloomie is a lifelong Dem who didn't want to get embroiled in a primary fight

that he had no guarantee that he would win so he "rebranded" himself as a Rethuglican, sailed through to the general election and won. He's administered NYC as a centrist and has since changed his party affiliation to "Independant".

No matter how you slice it, Bloomie's a egomanical dirtbag who should be in jail as an accomplice-before-the-fact to hundreds of falsified BATFE Form 4473s that his "investigators" filled out in VA, GA, NC, and FL, as well as an equal number of federal charges of conspiracy to commit a felony.

[friendly_iconoclast]

29. Or alternately, he "merely" produced a series of fraudulent videos....

...that his overly gullible fans treated as if they were created by Zombie Edward R. Murrow.

[Euromutt]

31. That's a movie I'd watch!

Edward R. Murrow's zombie clawing its way out of the grave to visit his wrath upon, say, Newt Gingrich by means of unrelenting interrogation, not hampered by the need for food, sleep and bathroom breaks, as only the undead can? Admittedly, having been in the ground for 45 years can't have done his voice any good, but let's paper over that with willing suspension of disbelief.

[Tejas]

23. "this Republican anti-gun-control agenda" - do you mean the

Do you mean the likes of Brady.org etc?
With their Republican roots?


I'll start some popcorn, brb!

[Simo 1939_1940]

26. "I simply cannot understand why this Republican

anti-gun-control agenda can be allowed to be so prominent on here."

Yeah......I'm with ya, brother. Free speech ---- aint it a drag?

[friendly_iconoclast]

30. "Wall Street's stooge" had a LOT of fans here while he was telling them what they wanted to hear.

We warned them about the sketchy videos and questionable tactics that he bankrolled, and got called everything short of
accomplices to murder for our troubles.

Now those same fans seem to have either disappeared, or are acting as if they've never heard of Bloomberg or MAIG.
Looks like they weren't very particular about who they found common ground with, and have been embarrassed into silence.

[MicaelS]

40. Gun Prohibition should be smeared on a regular basis...

As should Gun Prohibition Hypocrites like Bloomberg or Daley, who are elitists on both the Right and Left. They want to ban the plebes from having or carrying guns. Because the plebes are too stupid, or ill trained, or just plain ignorant.

But in a Bloomberg World, if you have enough money, or enough political power (which often translate to bribing those in power with campaign donations), you can get a handgun or carry permit while the ordinary person is denied same, and simultaneously told, "you have no good reason to own or carry a gun", "self-defense is not a qualified reason to own a gun".

Or you have hypocrites like Daley who hated guns with a passion, while simultaneously demanding armed bodyguards for life.

Or the government of Washington DC, who on one hand, told people they could not have guns for self-defense. But then on the other, when women were sexually assaulted and sued the city because the Police did not should up in a timely manner, they city went running to SCOTUS like a spoiled child to get judicial relief.

"No guns for you, you are too stupid to use one. But if you call the police, and they don't show up, you are own your own. If you get robbed, assaulted or killed, too bad." :sarcasm:

Yes, that attitude is REAL Progressive. :sarcasm:

Hypocritical FUCKS like EVERY city government of DC since the 70s is why I despise Gun Prohibitionists in Public Office. I don't give a fuck where they stand politically.

[Euromutt]

10. I suspect MAIG is now perceived as having lost some credibility on this forum

Much as certain posters might like to cite "research" produced by MAIG, that source is now indelibly tainted. However, I'd be hesitant to assume this will apply to the country in general.

[AtheistCrusader]

12. Seattle's Mayor willfully violated state law, after being warned by the state AG that he was breakin

g said law. And he did it in the name of 'gun control'.

Because fuck rule of law eh? The Constitution is just a GODDAMN PIECE OF PAPER, amirite?

[DonP]

18. Pretty solid criminal record for MAIG too

courtesy of X Digger as of March 2011...

NYC Mayor Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG) consists of 578 current mayors pushing for various gun control measures.

Here are eight current or former members:
Shiela Dixon, Baltimore, MD
Gary Becker, Racine, WI
Kwame Kilpatrick, Detroit, MI
David Delle Donna, Guttenberg, NJ
Samuel Rivera, Passaic, NJ
Will Wynn, Austin, TX
Larry Langford, Birmingham, AL
Jeremiah Healy, Jersey City, NJ

What's so special about these eight? Well, they've been convicted of crimes- fraud and perjury, sexually assaulting a child, extortion, bribery, and tax evasion to name some.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/79928682.html
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2008090...
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/04/jurors_in_the_...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/nyregion/nyregionspec...
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/6/142631/5235
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2009/10/larry_langford_foun...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/23/nyregion/23mayor.html...

So, what's the rate for conviction in Bloomberg's group? 1384 per 100,000.

What's the rate for conviction for Texas CHL holders? 25 per 100,000 (2009*).

Bloomberg's group is 55x more likely to be convicted of a crime than TX CHL holders.

[oneshooter]

19. Strange, they all seem to be Democrats. Very strange. n/t

[DonP]

21. Not so much anymore, now they're all felons. ntxt

[Euromutt]

32. Correlation does not equal causation

Both crime and Democratic voters tend to concentrate in urban areas, so it figures that the mayors of cities with serious violent crime problems--those most likely to join MAIG--would tend to be Democrats. And once you've skewed the sample population, it figures that those mayors who are both members of MAIG and turn out to be corrupt would largely be Democrats. It's not that there aren't corrupt Republican mayors; they just tend not to be members of MAIG.

[pipoman]

33. The end of MAIG

began when they became, in actuality, MAG.

[Remmah2]

37. Sounds like a happy ending to me.

Hope Mr. 1% pissed away lots of money.