If all shoppers packed heat, Black Friday would be "civil" - right?

[jpak]

Isn't that what the "guns everywhere all the time" folks tell us - an armed society is a polite society?

:shrug:

[baldguy]

1. An armed society is a fearful society.

[jpak]

3. An armed society is a dumbass GOP/NRA society

yup

:hi:

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

4. Can I borrow...

...that broad brush? I've got some painting ahead.

:puke:

[rrneck]

37. That ain't a brush. He's using an airless sprayer. nt

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

38. Now and then...

...I reflect on the acronym for jail private arms keepers. ;)

[LAGC]

51. .....

:rofl:

[PavePusher]

69. Well, he had me fooled...

I was sure he was his own supply of pre-warmed atmosphere....

[jpak]

75. Do you advocate "guns everywhere all the time" or not?

if so, state where they can be restricted.

yup

[rrneck]

77. Of course I don't advocate guns everywhere

I would like to restrict them only in places where you can protect people from assault.

Oooh, hyperbole is fun.

Yup.

[SteveM]

81. ...asked tail-gunner Joe. nt

[Remmah2]

13. NRA??

National Retailers Association?

[LAGC]

50. I think he means National Restaurant Association.

We all know they really are all angry toters.

I mean, look how much gun violence there is in restaurants and bars? ;)

:rofl:

[Remmah2]

57. Violence in bars.

All those shots.

[SteveM]

82. Well, I've been mugged many times in bars. nt

[oneshooter]

91. National Rodeo Association? Thats where he gets all his BS from. n/t

[baldguy]

30. And the corollary of course is: A fearful society cannot be a democratic one.

It inevitably descends into fascism.

[SteveM]

83. Ah, the great political theorist has spoken; this time of coronaries...

Too bad you base your hot-wired logic on a flawed assumption: Gun-owners are fearful.

How much you sleep last night? Bet I got you beat.

[ZombieHorde]

55. I think the same can be said of societies with police officers. nt

[baldguy]

60. Only if they don't serve the public interest.

That's one thing armed yahoos, either individually or in groups, and oppressive dictatorships have in common: They don't serve the public interest.

[PavePusher]

70. My personal security is not in "the public interest"?

Really?

[baldguy]

71. Of course it is - and for the majority of people guns are threat to their personal security.

[PavePusher]

72. Feel free to present your evidence. n/t

[baldguy]

73. If "gun enthusiasts" recognized the evidence of the obvious dangers posed by these devices ...

...there wouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately, logic doesn't operate in minds which have been addled by RW gun propaganda an reality doesn't apply.

[oneshooter]

74. So you have no evidence to support your claim. Only "feelings".

How so very typical of the anti-carry crowd.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[baldguy]

78. there's literally tons of evidence. And It's posted right here every day.

In reply the posters are insulted, ridiculed & belittled and the overwhelming evidence is ignored.

And you can look out in the real world, too: countries that are liberal democracies tend to have robust gun control laws; countries that are lawless hellholes tend to have lax or non-existent gun control laws. At first glance America's peculiar laws would seem to contradict this - a charade which RW propaganda is all too happy to promote, but just dig a little deeper and you'll find that the guns used in New York's violent crimes don't come from New York; the guns used in Detroit's violent crimes don't come from Detroit; the guns used in Chicago's violent crimes don't come from Chicago; the guns used in Washington DC's violent crimes don't come from Washington DC; the guns used in Philadelphia's violent crimes don't come from Philadelphia. A large percentage of these guns are purchased legally in states which refuse - under the influence of RW mobs like the NRA - to institute reasonable, rational & effective gun control laws.

So, stick your head in the sand and ignore what's really happening in the world. You can take comfort in the fact that your fantasy of a Constitutional "right" to carry a gun allows innocent people to die.

[RSillsbee]

79. Where do the guns used in Austrailia's violent crimes come form? NT

[oneshooter]

92. Now I understand!!!................

"countries that are lawless hellholes tend to have lax or non-existent gun control laws."

Like England and Australia!

[Tejas]

95. You win the Ignorant-Post-of-the-Day award

"countries that are lawless hellholes tend to have lax or non-existent gun control laws."


I contend that the country of Mexico has strong gun laws, but is a "lawless hellhole".
You HAVE heard of Mexico, eh?

Then again, if you were not aware of the existence of the crime-ridden country of Mexico and their repressive draconian gun laws, then I digress as some here DO lead sheltered lives.

[gejohnston]

96. some problems I have

there's literally tons of evidence. And It's posted right here every day

can't be literally, because photons are energy. I do not see paper coming through my screen.

n reply the posters are insulted, ridiculed & belittled and the overwhelming evidence is ignored.

Logical fallacies and amateur psychology is not evidence.

And you can look out in the real world, too: countries that are liberal democracies tend to have robust gun control laws

So do police states. Define robust.

countries that are lawless hellholes tend to have lax or non-existent gun control laws.

Name one. All of the lawless hellholes like Mexico, Russia, Brazil, South Africa have very robust gun control laws. Why does Yemen, where everyone really does carry assault weapons, have half the murder rate?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/oct/13/homicide-rates-country-murder-data
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Mexico
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_South_Africa

At first glance America's peculiar laws would seem to contradict this - a charade which RW propaganda is all too happy to promote, but just dig a little deeper and you'll find that the guns used in New York's violent crimes don't come from New York; the guns used in Detroit's violent crimes don't come from Detroit; the guns used in Chicago's violent crimes don't come from Chicago; the guns used in Washington DC's violent crimes don't come from Washington DC; the guns used in Philadelphia's violent crimes don't come from Philadelphia.

Been hearing that meme for forty years with no evidence from ATF or the IRS (who enforced federal gun laws before the ATF was formed in the 1970s). The "you can drive across the state line to a gun shop" shows a lack of knowledge of current gun laws since the 1930s. Oh yeah, so why is Vermont and Wyoming the safest states? Why are the US Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico, both US territories with strict gun laws, have astronomical murder rates?

A large percentage of these guns are purchased legally in states which refuse - under the influence of RW mobs like the NRA - to institute reasonable, rational & effective gun control laws.

see above. Define reasonable, rational & effective. Current laws are reasonable in my opinion.

So, stick your head in the sand and ignore what's really happening in the world. You can take comfort in the fact that your fantasy of a Constitutional "right" to carry a gun allows innocent people to die.

Keeping your bong filled contributes more to it than anyone here.
[

[PavePusher]

98. Dodge. n/t

[SteveM]

85. Gee, I thought "oppressive dictatorships" banned civilian gun ownership.

:shrug:

[We_Have_A_Problem]

97. Since when did that matter?

Did we somehow morph into a nation which places public interest above individual rights?

[Kolesar]

2. Employers who force employees to work holidays probably don't want guns on the premises...eom

[one-eyed fat man]

56. No one forced you to work

You were free to issue an ultimatum: the day off or you quit.

Unemployment in Cleveland is high enough your boss could probably find a replacement easily enough.

It was just a risk you were unwilling to take.

[Kolesar]

59. How very corporatist of you

I'm not at work, I'm taking a five day vacation.

[RSillsbee]

63. How very realistic of him

I'm glad I have a job this year and I worked thursday w/out blinking an eye (got double time and a half for it too)

[one-eyed fat man]

64. I have done both

I have worked for wages and I have written the pay checks. In case you have not figured it out hiring an employee is like picking out a mechanic to work on your car, a kid to mow your lawn, or a plumber to unstop your commode.

You have a job you are either unwilling or unable to do yourself. You determine how good a job you want and what it's worth to you and hire the person you think will do the job at the price you will pay.

If you are not satisfied with the hair cut, you get a new barber.

You are not owed my trade or custom. You are NOT the only game in town.

[Jackpine Radical]

5. That could make shopping at Mall Wart

a real blast.

[fascisthunter]

6. hahahaha..

[RSillsbee]

7. Unrecc for blatant baiting

and because it's jpak

[jpak]

9. Defend your position - an armed society is a polite society - is it not - even on Black Friday?

:D

[Remmah2]

11. He defends his position well.

Unlike unarmed sheep.

Edit and apology applied!

[fascisthunter]

12. it takes guts to live without guns

it's people who are afraid all the time who need guns all the time. A personal decision not to live with guns makes one anything but a sheep. If we all listened to you, then we would be sheep.

[rrneck]

42. I am reminded of a line from the movie Prizzis Honor...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089841/quotes
Charley Partanna: Marxie Heller so fuckin' smart, how come he's so fuckin' dead?

Guts won't do you much good when they're scattered all over the sidewalk.

[fascisthunter]

58. you are paranoid

I am not... I do not live according to a chance propagated by a quote. I live by morals, responsibility to the world around me and a calm safe life that is independent of your marketed NRA fear. You live in paranoia and are repeating memes to enrich an industry of death, fear and paranoia, the bullies excuse. You are a slave to your fears... there is nothing free or brave, or even independent about needing guns to feel safe. You lose, and I win without a gun... again.

[rrneck]

65. Wow. Just wow.

You sure know a lot. Golly. So, do you have a self defense solution that works better than a firearm? I mean, if you know so much, surely you could solve the problem a one hundred pound woman may have in defending herself against a two hundred and fifty pound man who may not share your superior intellectual or moral accomplishments. Why don't you explain how she is supposed to win.

[fascisthunter]

66. oh my... oh no... quick, buy a gun

go for it

[rrneck]

76. You failed to answer the question

O courageous one.

[fascisthunter]

99. ah... you wanted me to answer your question... better in what way exactly?

to kill? No, a gun is easy, quick and the less you give a shit about life the easier... once again, you create a scenario most never ever live through. I don't need to live with the paranoid fantasies you seem to think about all the time. I am ready to face the fact that if I walk down the street and somebody shoots me, I will be dead. Wrap your head around that one if you can... until then, I have no gun, and no need to carry one. Your agenda is fear mongering to help propagate a culture that believes in guns, and fears the world. I counter you, and millions of others do to. To own a gun for your home is one thing, but to bring one with you everywhere you go, is crazy. Get help.

People like you are dangerous with guns, because you already assume the worst before anything ever happens... what if.... so many possibilities, you seem to sure of.

The NRA and the gun manufacturers and their parasitic investors thank you.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

100. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

I mean, ideas based in actual facts rather than whatever it is you're using.

[fascisthunter]

101. hahahaha.. what facts do you have... facts there is danger in the world?

Or that carrying a gun with you everywhere because you live in your fear... many of us do not need to.... that is a fact. Are you now going to tell me that I should buy a gun because of the fears you live with? Or will you now claim shoppers carrying would make Black Friday safer?

[We_Have_A_Problem]

103. See, that's kinda the whole problem...

you assume we live in fear. A gun to me is no more a tool to I use out of fear than my seatbelt or helmet. It is simply a tool to mitigate risk. I have to deal with some areas which are not exactly what I would call "family friendly". It is a side effect of living in the middle of one of the largest cities in the nation. Simple as that.

I never said you should buy a gun. In fact, I would NEVER suggest, let alone require, anyone buy a gun who does not wish one. That's yet another mistake you've made. You assumed those of us on the pro gun side believe that way when in fact it is the opposite which is true.

As far as shoppers carrying making black Friday safer, i would never claim such a thing but I can certainly say armed shoppers make it no LESS safe. I know many people who were out shopping on Friday who were also carrying. Nothing happened to them or at any location they visited.

You make a lot of assumptions my friend. You also attribute a lot of things to me that I have never said anything even remotely like them.

[fascisthunter]

104. ahhh see... based on the OP, that is where I am coming from

people who think it is necessary to carry even when shopping on Black Friday (that idea is what I am speaking about)... it is the main topic I am referring too. If you HAVE to travel in a dangerous area like a few I know of, especially for work when you are carrying cash, then by all means. But just for a stroll, or to a bar or to a shopping mall, heck no. I grew up in the city, never had a gun nor felt the need... I know some who did though.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

105. Do you expect others to make the same decisions you do?

Or do you believe people have the freedom to make their own choices?

To me, it would appear carrying on Black Friday would be more prudent than any other shopping day. After all, if I were in the business of thievery, I'd consider a day like Black Friday to be a "target rich environment" to say the least.

Just because you do not "feel a need" to do something such as carry a firearm, do not assume others will feel as you do. People make their own decisions based upon their own situations. Even if fear were the driving force, that is still a legitimate reason - unless you're suggesting that people should not use a primary survival response as a method of protecting themselves...

[fascisthunter]

107. No... but that doesn't mean I can't give my Opinion on the matter nor does it mean you can't

I wouldn't use this as an argument against what I stated. We all disagree with what people do with their freedoms, as you say. And what those "FREEDOMS" are is still in dispute. Such as, I am free to tell you not to come onto my property with a gun. Your ability to buy a gun does not supersede my freedoms no matter how much you try to tell me otherwise. And therefore, people have a right to be safe from as well as safe with. It's a balance and pretending one doesn't need to exist is extreme.

Well, you may think that is prudent but your post before told me otherwise... not sure this argument will go anywhere. Some live in fear and feel the need to be protected from thoughts of endangerment. Why that is, as I have lived within violence for a while now, does not make too much sense. More guns and accessibility to them will always give the bad guys the upper hand. In fact, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy... guns exist, so now we "must" defend against certain folks who also own them(bad guys). Not a smart way to go... but people feel the need.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

108. Giving your opinion is one thing

Accusing others of things you do not know is another.

Yes, you have every right to tell me not to come onto your property without a firearm. I agree with you 100% that my ability to purchase a firearm in no way supersedes, or affects, your freedoms.

As far as your belief that you have a right to be safe from anything, well, not so much. You may have a desire to be, but no right to be. You can take all the precautions you wish, but true safety in life is impossible. It simply is not part of the human condition. Yes, you can take steps to remove yourself from certain situations and that is your right. What is absolutely not your right, is to use force to make others change just to make yourself feel better. THAT is utterly wrong.

As far as firearms use being a self fulfilling prophecy, I disagree. Crime has ALWAYS existed and there will ALWAYS be those who wish to harm other human beings. Guns, like all other weapons, were devised to allow people to exert more force than their mere bodies allowed. In truth, they are a response to a pre-existing problem.

Yes, some people live in fear, and while I think that is sad, it is their right to do so. Others live in a perpetual state of irritation that the world is not functioning the way they think it should. I feel bad for them too.

I choose to carry a gun for a variety of reasons. Ultimately none of those reasons are your business or concern. You choose not to own or carry one for your own reasons. I would never presume to know what your reasons are and honestly, I don't care. They are your reasons and that is all that ultimately matters.

I take offense at your assumption that I, or others, who own and carry firearms are paranoid and fearful. Further, I find your rather condescending attitude in the face of all facts to the contrary to be rude and arrogant. Once again, if you do not wish to own a gun, then don't. Simple as that. However, once you try to tell me I should not own or carry one, you cross a line into demanding I justify my choices to you and that is something you have no right to even ask, let alone demand or require.

[fascisthunter]

109. well, are you not fearful... your decision to carry is based on a fear of being harmed is it not??

and those who feel the need to carry into a shopping mall are not afraid? Then why even carry them at all... for a fad, is it just a political statement, if so, how irresponsible and arrogant to suggest your safety should trump other's safety around you? What good is your safety if it add one more variable of danger to all others?

I can understand, as I stated before as to why one may need to carry in certain instances(a permit), but I'm sorry, if people just carry to carry, then it is a fad and has nothing to do with fear or the need to FEEL safer to PROTECT ONESELF as you and others constantly tell us, then deny when it is suitable for argument's sake. And fearing for your life when shopping to me is a sign of paranoia... or if it just to carry for the hell of it, irresponsible.

Tools, as you want to claim they are have a purpose to build or destroy in order to build something... guns are not tools, but weapons and always will be. They are designed to kill, or to intimidate others enough to warn of repercussions that may end in death, not to create. I find your reasoning absurd and only used to give guns a kinder, gentler image... sorry. A well marketed description for a weapon...

And also, I can comment or reason on anything I want and the same goes for you. Once again, the topic of gun rights and personal safety is not sacrosanct especially when it could possible harm to others around you... It is a double-edged sword! Also, let me get this one last thing through to you and anyone else reading this, although after reading your last two replies, I doubt you will even come half-way... what you do by carrying guns in public is EVERYBODY's business. Personal vanity or the need to feel safer by carrying a weapon(tool as you like to call it) comes with a larger responsibility to people around you in a society. Seeing as to how people already act with guns, tells me there is a huge risk when adding guns into society as a whole, to ignore that is foolish.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

110. Nope it isnt.

It is based upon a basic desire to be prepared. Same reason I wear a helmet and leathers on my motorcycle. I'm not afraid of falling down - I accept it as an eventuality. As such, I take the necessary precautions to reduce my risk in the way I ride, and with protective gear. I don't have fire extinguishers in my home because I am afraid of fire. I have them so if an unexpected fire erupts, I have the proper tool to take care of it. I don't wear a seat belt out of fear or even a seat belt law. I wear one because of the basic laws of physics which dictate I am MUCH safer belted into a car than not.

What I choose to carry on my person is not anyone's business but my own. The fact that you believe you have some authority to control others because of your unfounded fears of what they might do wrong speaks volumes of you my friend. Carrying a firearm is not inherently dangerous. If i choose to misuse it, yes it is, but the fact is the criminal will not care about the laws forbidding him to carry. That's a fact. If you're worried about the potential harm from misuse, you have piles of actual data proving to you that lawfully carried firearms are not the threat you believe them to be. Their simple presence does not harm you or threaten you in actual fact. You may FEEL threatened, but that really is your problem to deal with.

Guns ARE tools - same as a knife, a sword, an axe, a spear, a club, etc. You may not like this fact but it is a fact nonetheless. Weapons are a subset of tools. In other words, all weapons are tools but not all tools are weapons. Get it yet?

No, I won't come half-way to your belief. I wont even come 1% of the way. Why? Because to move from my position is to give up what I already have in an effort to placate you. You wish to take something away from me and claim I am unreasonable because I do not wish to give it to you. I am asking NOTHING of you by carrying a firearm. You, on the other hand, are demanding much of me by wanting to take away my rights. Why should I be the one to move half way? Do you really not see the difference?

[fascisthunter]

111. prepared for what and WHY then if you have no fear at all?

you are trying HARDER than hell to deny owning gun has anything to do with a fear of being UNPREPARED for danger. Your argument is so extreme it argues against itself. Your claims are disingenuous... I don't know if it is due to ego, pride or just the sake of trying to win an argument... it reminds me of the ideological fools destroying our country by continuing to enrich the already privileged few ( we should be free to make money as we choose, even if it harms others). It smacks of libertarianism which in itself is just a selfish excuse to do as one pleases without giving a damn about about anyone else. Why is your need more important than everyone else?

Also, your inability to come 1% to meeting any agreement is further a sign of fear. It is extreme and unworthy of any more debate. Well, aren't you and guns special. If you can't come to understand other's rights to safety from guns, while not being able to admit flaws in your own argument, or that there is a fear of danger, I have to assume you have no intent on debating honestly. In fact, you appear to be arguing with yourself more than me. But, my post did cause you to react this way... very interesting to say the least.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

112. Prepared for the possibility.

Simple as that.

What is there to agree upon? You wish to restrict my rights - to take away what I already have?

What agreement is there to be had?

You have no right to be safe my friend. I don't care what you THINK in that regard, but it simply does not exist. Your safety is yours and yours alone to protect.

[oneshooter]

113. Have you ever pulled a trigger on another human?

Then what gives a fucktard like you the right to tell ANYBODY "No, a gun is easy, quick and the less you give a shit about life the easier..." Until you have then shut the fuck up and continue to play with your "action figures" and leave the real adults alone.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[SteveM]

86. When you find those fascists, you will find a gun-banner, no? nt

[RSillsbee]

88. When you find those fascists, you will find a gun-banner, yes. nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

68. yes, you do live by morals,

responsibility to the world around you and a calm safe life that is independent of marketed NRA fear. Can you vouch that the rest of the population follows your same maoral/ethical code?

[fascisthunter]

102. and if they don't, should I too follow their lead?

you really think it will make things better for society? You think in this instance where shoppers are all carrying would make things better? Not me... I live in the city, and have seen what your concept of safety does to people who are already afraid. They use the gun more so then those without it. Mentality goes a lot further in society than fear ever will.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

106. as you wish.

you are entitled to your mentality, of course. and do not presume to think you know anything about mine. you can, of course, do something OTHER than follow someone else's lead. you can go your own way.

[RSillsbee]

15. If you meant me I'm a guy NT

[Remmah2]

22. OOPS!

Sorry about that! Shot myself in the foot.

[jpak]

24. no permit for you

yup

[RSillsbee]

27. To give the devil his due, that was funny NT

[RSillsbee]

26. it's all good NT

[jpak]

23. prove it

:rofl:

[RSillsbee]

16. My position is that you started this thread w/ the intent of baiting gun owners

an armed society is a polite society

Is Robert Heinlien's position

[jpak]

25. So, not everyone should be carryng guns everywhere all the time - is that what you are saying?

:D

[RSillsbee]

28. What I'm saying is that you started this post to bait people

So, not everyone should be carryng guns everywhere all the time -

I invite you to provide a serious post from any pro RKBA poster in this forum stating that "everyone should be carryng guns everywhere all the time"

We'll wait

[jpak]

34. The Gungeon Dodge - keep repeating something until you have to defend it, then deny ever posting it

yup

[TheWraith]

39. Or rather, the jpak dodge: accuse people of saying something no one has ever seriously asserted...

And then whine when asked to provide proof of your statement.

[armueller2001]

44. Can you provide

a link to where anyone has ever said

"Everyone should carry guns all the time"

Or are you just fulla shit?

[Remmah2]

41. He's a master at it too. nt

nt

[Remmah2]

40. If the criminals would stop carrying.

Then the rest of the population wouldn't need to carry.

[Speck Tater]

35. "An armed society is a polite society?" Let's look at Heinlein's context.

An armed society is a society scared to death to say the wrong thing to the wrong person so what you get is the appearance of politeness which merely masks the underlying fear. In fact, in the book Beyond This Horizon where Heinlein first wrote that famous line, the reason why it resulted in a polite society was that deadly duels were a way of life in that society and anyone could challenge you to a duel if they felt that they had been slighted or insulted in the least way. "Politeness" was a way trying to avoid being challenged to a deadly duel.

So by aspiring to Heinlein's "ideal" you are agreeing with the premiss that underlies that ideal, namely that fear of being shot dead on the spot keeps the populace so scared of giving offense that they "act" polite. If that's your version of Utopia then you are welcome to it. I would rather not live my life in constant fear just to achieve the mere appearance of politeness.

[RSillsbee]

45. Where did I say i aspired to Heinlein's "Ideal"

What I said ,very clearly I might add, is that jpak started this thread w/the intent to bait gun owners.

[Speck Tater]

49. Well, you quoted him as if he were an authority. So I thought a bit of context was in order. nt

[RSillsbee]

52. I didn't quote him at all

Did you by chance actually read the OP?

[DrDan]

46. rec - because it's jpak

[oneshooter]

67. unrec.........for the same reason. n/t

[Name removed]

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[Remmah2]

10. If people packed heat their pants would be on fire.

Having read the newspaper this morning, seems a number of people were mugged at gunpoint while shopping.

Probably would be a good idea for people who earn a living to carry a firearm to protect what they earn instead of handing it over to thugs.

[jpak]

14. Yes - shoot 'em ups in large crowds is the answer

bang bang

yer dead

yup

[FreakinDJ]

17. We would call it "Gang Bangers Bizar"

[appleannie1]

18. It is bad enough they are allowed in the woods with guns. I have already

heard about 2 'accidental' shootings and someone shot a horse by 'mistake' and deer season does not start until Monday.

[Remmah2]

20. To quote jpak:

The "situation" was "made up" - there is no empirical data to indicate it was real

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x482079#482150

[Hassin Bin Sober]

47. Yep. No fall walks for me and my dog on the in-laws' Illinois acreage.

Thanks to fuck-wad drunk and/or sober hunters.

Same thing in Michigan. I was up there a few years ago and my buddie's mom pointed out some fat beer bellied hill-billy, full on camouflage and orange vest, loading up his trunk with beer - "that's why we aren't hiking this weekend" she said.

[Remmah2]

19. Ah yes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5071149

[RSillsbee]

29. Decapitiated w/ a sword or Machette

Wonder if Hoyt did it?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

21. when answering true/false questions, remember that those questions

containing the words: all/never are usually false.

[Kablooie]

31. Sure. Armed customers would hold off other armed customers from shooting.

It would be like the cold war nuclear standoff and bring glorious peace to all.

[Name removed]

32. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[haikugal]

33. +++++

[Old Codger]

36. flame bait

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

43. went Black Friday shopping, bought a car, and then went to dinner & a bar - all with a gun yesteday

Everything seemed civil to me.
I don't think all (or even most) shoppers should carry a gun.

Although I do admit that going to a bar and not drinking is a bit odd.
Played some darts, watched some football basketball & had some cokes.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

48. Yeah, well that HFCS coulda sent you in to a homicidal rage.

:P

[Oneka]

62. had some cokes.

I did the same yesterday, some friends were in town for the holiday, we met up at a bar and caught up a bit. I let them buy me one beer, then
drank cokes for the rest of the night. We all had a good time, and no one was shot.

[Straw Man]

53. Unrec for talking like Mickey Spillane.

"Packing heat"? Really?

[freshwest]

54. Yes, I'm familiar with that adage. Could be. How about everyone with their own pepper spray?

[ileus]

61. I was armed and didn't have any problems....

[SteveM]

80. You said "'guns everywhere all the time' folks." Who are they? Links? Here?

I don't get your first question; the second is flawed by a straw man, I believe.:crazy:

[jpak]

84. GOP/NRA "guns everywhere all the time" legislation is cheered and celebrated here all the time

go back through the Gungeon posts - they are all there

yup

[SteveM]

87. Wrong again. No one is advocating this.

puy

[jpak]

90. Gee - do we read the same Gungeon posts? Apparently not.

and I stand by that statement

This place CHEERS and CELEBRATES GOP/NRA gun legislation - all the time

yup

[SteveM]

93. I don't think you read these posts, you just make it up as you go.

You can stand by your B.S. til The Cows Come Home. There is no -- how do you say it? -- "heroism" in that.

There are only 2 explanations for your posts:

1) You have been thwarted/hurt somehow, and you now have unbridled animosity; directing it for whatever reason toward gun-owners; or

2) It's just some kinda internet sport to you.

I'm familiar with both by now.

yawn.

puy

[Tejas]

94. Agreed, some folks have been hurt so bad they

hate themselves and aren't happy unless they can make everybody else as miserable as they are. Hopefully they'll get help.

puy!

[S_B_Jackson]

89. Went x-mas shopping on Black Friday, again on Saturday with the wife...

both she and I carried, we both enjoyed ourselves....lots of smiles, a huge number of exchanged "excuse me", "pardon me", "no problem", "please", "thank you" given and received. We were shopping in and around League City, TX (densest concentration of concealed carry permits in the state as well as the greatest concentration of women issued concealed carry permits) so it's inconceivable that a larger percentage of those shoppers we encountered WERE NOT, as you put it "packing heat"....No fights or arguments with other shoppers, no guns drawn, no shots fired.

as usual another jpak F-A-I-L.

If so many on DU propose "everyone should have guns everywhere all the time....why is it that you can't present even one link to them doing so?