Black Market Weapons Find New Routes to Mexico

[Tejas]

Monday, 21 November 2011

http://insightcrime.org/insight-latest-news/item/1871-black-market-weapons-find-new-routes-to-mexico

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The anger over the “Fast and Furious” scandal, in which U.S. federal agents allowed weapons to cross the Mexican border in order to track their flow towards criminal groups, has furthered the image of a U.S. government careless about the impact the country's arms may have on Mexico. Several of the guns purchased under Fast and Furious were later used in crimes, including the murder of a U.S. Border Patrol official last December.

However, the legacy of the Central American civil wars between the 1960s and 1980s, which flooded the region with small arms, has also contributed to the availability of lethal weapons in Mexico. There are·several recent examples of soldiers looting official arms caches and reselling them on the black market in nations like El Salvador.

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For two decades, southern border has been a port of entry for the weapons that feed the country's black market. There are 956 miles of border between Mexico and Guatemala, where it is enough to arrive to cities like Ciudad Hidalgo, Ciudad Cuauhtemoc, or in border towns like Corozal, Talisman or Carmen Xhan, cross the checkpoints and walk around Tecun Uman, La Mesilla, Peten, El Carmen and Gracias a Dios to be offered weapons. Salesmen in shacks, adobe huts, or in the middle of the street offer the old M-16s and Galils that the Central American civil wars left behind; or more modern weapons, like the M72 and AT4 (anti-tank rockets), RPG-7 rocket-launchers, or 37-millimeter MGL grenade-launchers, with tracers and armor-piercing capacity, *sold by catalogue, and a one-week wait before delivery.

The weapons arrive mostly from the United States, through air or maritime routes to Guatemala for distribution in Mexico, Central America, or South America. The advantage that this market offers is that purchases can be made without any middlemen, and that crossing is much easier than on the northern border.




* - CheaperThanDirt? :sarcasm:

[rl6214]

1. And the ATF apologists are out to un-rec it.

There can't be enough evidence out there to disprove their theory of all the weapons in Mexico come from gun stores in the US.

[burf]

2. You might be on to something.

with the "Cheaper Than Dirt" reference. I have noticed that when placing an order with them, they have a Warehouse "A" and a Warehouse "B". Just one of them things that make one go Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

//end of sarcasm//

[beevul]

3. But...but...but...

insightcrime.org is just a mouthpiece for gun lovers...and...and...iron pipeline...and...and...bush did it too...and...and...the corrupted by the gun industry...and...and...bullet hoses...and...assault clips...and...theyre the choice of criminals and gangbangers...and the nra...and...and...50 bmg rifles will shoot down aircraft in flight...and are a danger to satellites...and...and...you love guns because your "lacking" below the waist...and...the nra...and...and...gun idolatry...and...yup...yup...and...lunatic asswipes...and...and...chuck norries TM...and...and...pistols in your pants...and...the nra...and... firearms festoonery...and...and...rude toters...and...and...and...promenading publicly with guns...and...and...we need reasonable restrictions...and...republicans suck but republican paul helmke and sara brady are great...and..."were not a gun ban org, we dont push for gun bans"...and...and...the nra...and...glock handguns aren't suited for hunting or self defense...and...and...FIFTY CALIBER TERROR...and...and...a well regulated militia...and...walter mitty wannabes...and...and...the nra...shooting guns at all is violence...and...and...it was a botched sting...and...and...gun worship...and...and...43 times more likely...and...and...reasonable restrictions...and...and...second amendment absolutists...and...and...wamnnabe heroes...and...and...vigilantes...and...and...sprayfiring from the hip...and...and...the gun show loophole...and...and...


TAKE THAT GUN LOVER!!!!111!1!

(please remind me if I forgot one)

:rofl:

[Oneka]

4. What

you forget the "shoulder thing that goes up" again??




Or this,, which may be new to even you.. How did Diane Feinstein get the

ATF trace data, that she put into the congressional record on 09-30-2011??, when the Tiahart amendment specifically forbids its release for such uses?? hmmmm??

http://www.usacarry.com/forums/firearm-politics-2nd-amendment-issues/21057-how-did-sen-feinstein-get-atf-trace-data-violation-tiahrt-amendment.html

[Tejas]

5. CLIPS!

"Clips" needs to be in there.

[burf]

6. Red dot scopes? n/t

[jeepnstein]

11. Heat seeking body armor shredding sniper rounds!

[Name removed]

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[ileus]

8. rude toters...

[friendly_iconoclast]

9. Death merchants

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x483430#483434

[SteveM]

13. Correction: "...pistols [or two] in your pants..." All better! nt

[jeepnstein]

10. From the United States?

Really? I don't know of any manufacturer in the U.S. of the RPG-7. The 37mm MGL grenade launcher is a South African product. If new Colts or Bushmasters were out on display then I'd say a U.S. exporter provided them. And if they were exporting arms to Guatemala you can bet the State Department wouldn't be approving transfers to a retailer in a mud hut at the Mexican Border. I'm pretty sure any export dealer who got caught shipping small arms to Guatemala illegally would be in a heap big pile of trouble. So if the arms are being sold along that border they must be coming from somewhere other than the U.S. small arms industry.

I'd sure like to see one of their catalogs, just for fun.

I just spent some time reading the article in the original post, to make sure I just didn't go off half-cocked. Wow. The writer mourns the expiration of the U.S. AWB on one hand and then pretty much describes the futility of the prohibition on owning arms in Mexico. And it's not just the cartels that are buying the weapons, according to that article. I'd be willing to bet their estimates on the number of illegal firearms in Mexico is way low. Prohibition only give criminals new business opportunities.

[virginia mountainman]

12. You ask, and ye shall receive...

http://www.roe.ru/

Click "menu open" than "cataloge of products"

Everything is available from Tanks, Warships, Anti-Aircraft, Aircraft, etc..etc... all the way down to pistols...

Russian arms export company... Well known for selling to anyone with ready cash.

Back in the 1990's a chinese export company called "Norinco" sold 2,000 assault rifles (the real ones not "brady scary ones") to gang bangers in California. They also offered to sale shoulder launched AA Missiles to street gangs....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norinco