Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations

[burf]

CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson (ATFs largest pain in the ass) brings evidence to what many gun rights supporters suspected.

ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.

link: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/

So, the ATF encouraged the gun shop owners to do multiple sales and then turned around and in a press conference state how more controls are needed on weapons sales.

[AzWorker]

1. Hehe

just as I posted a couple of weeks earlier....

8^p

[burf]

3. Who woulda thunk the ATF would stoop to such a level?

Were we not told by a bunch of people this was just a small time operation that went awry?

[PavePusher]

2. And the usual suspects will try to "defend" the BATFE's actions in... 5... 4... 3...

[friendly_iconoclast]

4. They'll be too busy trying to explain themselves- if they show up at all. Check out these links:

Long but worth it, if only to see the sheer volume of denial and revisionism:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=466525#466649

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=466525#466756

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=466525#466784

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=466525#466798

(c) that actually gives credence to the theory that F&F was a deliberate plot to build support for gun control by increasing the number of guns that are trafficked to Mexico.

Pay special attention to (c). I'm not looking for a dump of all the stories you can find related to F&F. We all know F&F has been discussed in the media. My point is that this conspiracy theory is right-wing nutcase territory.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/over-a-barrel-meet-white-house-gun-policy-adviser-steve-croley/2011/04/04/AFt9EKND_print.html

On March 30, the 30th anniversary of the assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan, Jim Brady, who sustained a debilitating head wound in the attack, and his wife, Sarah, came to Capitol Hill to push for a ban on the controversial “large magazines.” Brady, for whom the law requiring background checks on handgun purchasers is named, then met with White House press secretary Jay Carney. During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.

“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

In the meeting, she said, Obama discussed how records get into the system and what can be done about firearms retailers. Her husband specifically brought up the proposed ban on large magazine clips, and she noted that even former vice president Dick Cheney had suggested that some restrictions on the clips might make sense.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=463400

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=469090

[TheWraith]

5. Looks more like they're conspicuously trying to ignore this thread.

"La la la I can't hear you."

[burf]

12. Sometimes the facts become confusing

when you have your fingers in your ears!

[Oneka]

6. "The ATF protects me against RW moran militias and they are OK in my book"

That never happens does it?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=412584#412601

[rl6214]

11. I know who that was...

YUP

YUP

YUP

[Tejas]

7. Charges up to and including Treason come to mind. n/t

[burf]

8. Holder is scheduled to appear

before the House Judiciary Committee today. It will be broadcast at 9:30 am (ET) on CSPAN 3.

[ileus]

9. impolite people buying tactical red dot guns with killer clips...

need watched by the FEDS.

[rl6214]

10. But, but, but...this was just a messed up sting operation...

there is no other hidden agenda here.

[Atlatl]

13. Those ATF officials...

do they have a name? The cover-up needs to end and the perpetrators need to be tarred and feathered, not re-assigned or asked/forced to retire.

[burf]

14. The link in response to the OP shows some of the emails

that show the ATFs plan to use the gun running to justify the implementation of Demand Letter 3. They show who some of the major players are.

There is also another thread on the issue: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x485296

IMO, the most important part of the story is yet to be told, this being the guns being supplied to the Mexican military by our State Department and the lack of accountabilty that allowed those weapons to wind up in the hands of the cartels. Time will tell.