Little Rock Citizens Say Criminals Don't Obey Gun Laws

[Superfly]

"North Little Rock Citizens Say Criminals Don't Obey Gun Laws"

Hmmmm......No shit?

Link

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But most of the residents who attended the public hearing last night say that criminals won't follow the signs that ban firearms in the park, and so permit-holders should be allowed to arm themselves for self-defense.

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[qb]

1. How 'bout a compromise?

Divide up all of the parks in the city. Designate half of them gun-free and the other half as shooting-gallery parks.

[DBoon]

2. close the park

A public park where citizens need guns for self protection has failed in its purpose and should be closed.

That assumes the citizens really need the guns for self protection, as opposed to this being a clever ruse to hunt squirrels and pigeons.

The purpose of the sign is more to permit the immediate arrest of anyone carrying a gun. I doubt anyone assumed criminals obey these signs - so anyone who had a gun was by definition a criminal. If carrying a gun were legal, the cops couldn't do anything until someone was shot.

[RoeBear]

3. Nice idea...

...not! I assume from the article that Arkansas has CCW and they do background checks, and that CCW holders must have a license on them to carry. So why allow them to carry walking down the sidewalk and not in the park?

[iverglas]

4. iverglas says trespassers don't obey signs

Actually, I don't have signs in my front garden, but I do have a fence. And lots of lovely flowers. And most springs, someone picks quite a few of my tulips. (Someone once picked a bunch of my gorgeous cleomes ... which last 5 minutes in water and stink like skunk, and which are encouraged to flower more when picked, so I figured this was a good deal all round.)

So since the damned trespassers aren't going to obey the law, I have a right to DEFEND MY PROPERTY. And I think that land mines would be the perfect instrument for that purpose. I claim the RIGHT to conceal landmines in my front garden.

Hey, so my neighbours' cats (and my own) might get blown up if they wander off the path ... so what? I'd be the one to blame; no more need be said. And some of my flowers might get taken out too ... so what? It's MY CHOICE how I exercise MY RIGHT, and nobody'd bloody well better interfere in it.

Hey MrB, do you suppose that any of those fine weapons manufacturers in your country could sell me a coupla those thingies? After all, youse guys haven't signed any of that ban-the-landmines stuff, and they should be easy enough to slip across the border ... and I can't imagine that there'd be any restriction on what I could buy to carry out my choice as to how I exercise that inalienable god-given right to defend my flowers ...

Heck, the people in the park even have an obvious alternative course of action -- stay out of the fucking park. Surely no one would expect me to sell my house in order to prevent people from stealing my flowers ...

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[demsrule4life]

7. Dont know about landmines

a few rose bushes and poison ivy might do the trick. :)

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5. Legal mumbo-jumbo

As pointed out in a previous thread, these sort of provisions regarding places/areas where CCW is prohibited, can create more
problems than they solve. In these situations, the permit holder
is either faced with the choice of violating the law, or leaving
their firearm in their vehicle.

Replies and suggestions that a person has the choice of not carrying at all will be regarded as rubbish.



5-73-306. Prohibited places.
(a) No license issued pursuant to this subchapter shall authorize any person to carry a concealed handgun into:
(1) Any police, sheriff's, or Department of Arkansas State Police station;
(2) Any Arkansas Highway Police facility;
(3) Any buildings of the Arkansas State Highway and Transportation Department, or onto grounds adjacent to such buildings, except that this subdivision (a)(3) shall not apply to rest areas and weigh stations of the department;
(4) Any detention facility, prison, or jail;
(5) Any courthouse;
(6) Any courtroom, except that nothing in this subchapter shall preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his courtroom;
(7) Any polling place;
(8) Any meeting place of the governing body of any governmental entity;
(9) Any meeting of the legislature or a committee thereof;
(10) Any building wherein a state office is located;
(11) Any athletic event not related to firearms;
(12) Any portion of an establishment, except a restaurant as defined in § 3-9-402, licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises;
(13) Any portion of an establishment, except a restaurant as defined in § 3-9-402, in which beer or light wine is consumed on the premises;
(14) Any school, college, community college, or university campus building or event, unless for the purpose of participating in an authorized firearms-related activity;
(15) Inside the passenger terminal of any airport, except that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal if the firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft;
(16) Any church or other place of worship; or
(17) Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.


More at... http://www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/arkansas

AG's opinion

http://www.state.ar.us/ag/opinions/docs/2003-244.html

[CO Liberal]

6. Posts Calling Other Posts "Rubbish" ...

... will also be regarded as rubbish.

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11. Sorry

I'm just pointing out that choosing not to carry isn't an alternative when addressing and complying with the CCW laws.

[CO Liberal]

12. Yes It IS An Alternative

Just as a gun owner can choose not to get a CCW permit, others can choose not to be gun owners.

[MrBenchley]

8. Say what?

"Replies and suggestions that a person has the choice of not carrying at all"
You mean you think the handgun forces the person to carry it against that person's will?

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9. Not at all.

There are some who would suggest that a person has a third option and
that is not to carry a firearm to begin with.

That suggestion is irrelevant to existing CCW laws and their complexity.

[Spentastic]

10. What?

Apart to exempt them from such laws?

[MrBenchley]

13. Now why the hell would that be irrelevant?

"existing CCW laws and their complexity."
(snicker)