Suicidal Youths Turn to Hanging Instead of Guns

[Columbia]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/10/national/main622450.shtml

Hanging and other forms of suffocation have overtaken guns as the chief means of suicide among American youngsters 10 to 14 years old, the government said Thursday.

Researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention were surprised by the switch and said they first noticed the trend in the early 1990s. By the end of the decade, suffocations had surpassed self-inflected shootings.

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In 1992, there were 96 suicides by suffocation among Americans 10 to 14 years old, the CDC said. That rose to 163 in 2001. Firearm suicides dropped from 172 to 90 during the same period.

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[Columbia]

1. Correlative evidence that lends credence to the idea

That regardless of implement, determined people will always find ways to accomplish their goals.

[T Town Jake]

2. Yep....

Time to round up all the rope in the country, and outlaw further manufacture, possesion, and sale of the same.
Sarcasm/
The day the Democratic Party eases up on the gun control agenda is the day it'll become the Majority party in this country for the next one hundred years. The GOP would be a permanent minority party right now where it not for the gun control issue, IMHO.

[TexasMexican]

3. Assault Rope Ban "ARB"

we have to do it for the children.

[billbuckhead]

4. Making fun out of suicide--par for the course from the gun "enthusiasts"

I seriously doubt whether many of the gun "enthusiasts" on this site are Democrats of any stripe and if any are, I'm ashamed they identify themselves as Democrats. Some votes are so morally tainted that having them is worse than not having them. Gunners making fun of teen suicide are among those people.
All these threats about winning elections need to turned upside down, those soldiers and civilians wouldn't be dying Iraq and our freedom wouldn't be threatened if so many gun "enthusiasts" wouldn't vote fascist every opportunity they get.

[FeebMaster]

5. Right.

Tell us again how we all dream of gunning down minorities in the streets.

[OpSomBlood]

6. Nobody here made fun of teen suicide.

Perhaps you should re-read the posts.

[Liberal Classic]

7. If that's true

Shouldn't we all be tombstoned?

[JayS]

8. "those soldiers and civilians wouldn't be dying Iraq..."

Actually, if the Democratic Party had chosen to be a little more realistic about their brand of gun control then Al Gore would be in the White House and perhaps the Iraq War would not have happened and our freedom would be safe. Are you happy now? Now it looks like Kerry is running a strong chance of getting "gored" in November. In spite of my observation that Kerry is as worthless as they come, I still want to see him win...but if he doesn't, I'll try not to say I told you so.

[OpSomBlood]

9. I want to see Bush lose and Kerry is our best bet.

But there's no special place in my heart for him. He's a consummate politician...I sense no trace of "Kerry the man" when he speaks.

[billbuckhead]

14. Gore lost because of the Supreme court and black votes not counted in FLA

The rights of voters were far far down the gun enthusiast list when FLA voters were purged. Afterall guns are more important then democracy to the gun worshippers.

[JayS]

20. Gore lost because of Gore. The race should have never...

...been close.

[billbuckhead]

22. Gore got the most president votes in the history of the Democratic party.

It's a fact.

[JayS]

24. Yawn. Individual votes count for little if you don't get the...

...electoral votes.

[T Town Jake]

10. Ummmm....

"making fun of teen suicide"? I did no such thing. What I was making fun of was the gun control crowd, which has basically handed the Speaker's gavel in the House and the Majority Leader position in the Senate to the GOP.
Now, I know I'm "newbie" bait here, but I have to say that stating that "some votes are so morally tainted that having them is worse than not having them" is an astonishing statement for someone whom presumably wants to see John Kerry in the White House next year to make. And you question my Democratic credentials! Amazing.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the day the Democratic Party sheds itself of this "gun grabber" image is the day it becomes the permanent majority party in this country for the next one hundred years. Which would you rather have, bill? Purity from "morally tainted" votes and, hence, a GOP House, Senate, and White House? Or Democrats in charge? Myself, I'd prefer the latter, but, wait, I forgot: I can't possibly exist because I'm a pro-gun Democrat...a figment of my own imagination. Amazing.

[FeebMaster]

11. You should have seen it when the gun control crowd

was pimping for John McCain as Kerry's VP.

[T Town Jake]

12. Hilarious!

A life-long Republican as Kerry's VP choice...now that makes a lot of sense.
I'm new around here (obviously) Feeb, nice to meet you! :hi:

[FeebMaster]

13. Welcome.

Enjoy the fountains of red herring, straw men, guilt by association, and outright lies that the gun grabbers will doubtless heap upon you. If you want my advice, run away as fast as you can, while you still have a chance.

[billbuckhead]

15. I've never advocating "grabbing" guns,that is a typical gunwhorshipper lie

I advocate stopping sales of certain guns, that's different to people who can read.

[FeebMaster]

16. You aren't the only poster on the forum.

Only stopping the sales? What are you going to do about the hundreds of millions of guns already in people's hands?

[billbuckhead]

19. PUT up or shut up- Who on this forum advocates "grabbing" guns?

Does everything about the gun "rights" crowd involve lying?

BTW, Google anythng about guns or gun laws and some dozens of gun "rights" websites will be waiting with lies and freepertype rhetoric.

[FeebMaster]

26. Why here's a post right here

arguing for an end to civilian gun ownership.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=59554#60011

So you're perfectly happy with the hundreds of millions of guns currently in civilian hands?

[RoeBear]

50. There are many gun banners by incrementalism here...

...not many are into political suicide by advocating the total banning of guns. But many are into incrementalism.

For example: many advocate extending the AWB yet even out spoken gun control entusiasts have stated that it will do nothing to curtail crime. It just makes the next step in gun banning easier.

Or: outlawing handguns in certain localities. Everyone knows it will only affect the honest citizens of a community but it makes the next step, a state wide ban easier.

[mosin]

48. "gun grabbing"

I advocate stopping sales of certain guns, that's different to people who can read.

I can read, and I don't see much difference. Those of us of limited means may not yet own all the guns we want, so stopping the sale of certain guns is gun-grabbing.

If you're going to enact a ban, I'd rather seen an attempt at national confiscation. One way or another, the results would be very educational.

[billbuckhead]

53. I don't advocate "grabbing " guns! Can't you read?

It's working in Australia to lower crime. Australians are a tough bunch but a least they're a good people. The gun crowd lowers all Americans into barbarism. Abu Ghraid isn't far from a gun forum fantasy.

[billbuckhead]

17. The majority of Americans of both parties want AWB regulations

The gun rights message is code for race and everyone knows it. The Southern strategy only works because of racism and the gun "rights" crowd piggybacks on it like a parasite on a large animal.

[FeebMaster]

18. That's hilarious.

We argue for equal access to arms for all and that apparently makes us racists. Tell us again how we dream of shooting minorities in the streets.

[billbuckhead]

21. thats why NRA hero Ronnie Raygun started his campaign is Philadelphia MS

The NRA boards endless racist and bigoted comments from various boardmembers aren't enough evidence only to those blinded by gunpowder or bloody gun profits.

[FeebMaster]

27. Speaking of NRA hero Ronnie Raygun,

didn't he ban future civilian production of machine guns? Why yes he did. There's another pro-gun Republican for you.

[NorthernSpy]

43. "Ronaldus Magnus": one gun control's all-time greats!

In addition to the stuff you cited, why doesn't anyone remember that when moRon was governor of California, he signed the Mulford Act. The new law pretty much demolished the right to carry in that state. In 1991, he came out in favor of the Brady Bill. And yet, Guns and Ammo have reprinted on their site some boring Reagan column from 1975 and added this icky little tribute:


Ronald Reagan: The Gun Owner's Champion


In our September 1975 issue, Ronald Reagan, then two-time Governer of California, penned this column. A man of conviction, Ronaldus Magnus was true to these words before and during his eight-year presidency.


Nu-uh! Not before, not during, and not after. There are some mighty slow learners at that magazine.

And they call him Ronaldus Magnus. Good grief. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it right there in black and white.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure the column itself was ghostwritten -- all his speeches were.


Mary



http://www.gunsandammomag.com/classics/reagan_1007/

[slackmaster]

42. Why is it always about the NRA, Bill?

My support for the rights of people to own and carry weapons has nothing to do with the NRA.

Has it ever occurred to you that SOME of us might have minds of our own?

:crazy:

[T Town Jake]

23. "code for race"?

What? I was warned about red herrings and no more do I turn around than a big hairy one is plopped down in my lap. It is "code" for people who enjoy the responsible use of firearms to hunt, plink, and protect themselves, millions of whom happen to be Democrats. It is "code" for not breeding a whole new generation of "Reagan Democrats" over the gun issue. It is "code" for not allowing the GOP to control all three branches of government because they can reliably point to the gun control crowd and point out who carries their slop buckets for them. In my state the Democrats control every branch of government, and this is in large part because they are reliably pro-gun. But guess what? My state also has an almost completely GOP congressional delegation and votes GOP in presidential elections. I daresay that if the national Democrats had the same attitude towards gun control that my local Democrats do, the electorate here would reliably send Democrats to Congress every two years, IMCO.

[Columbia]

25. Umm...

I'm a minority and I support equal gun-rights for all. So does that mean I hate myself and want to use gun rights to keep myself down? Right... :shrug:

:eyes:

[TexasMexican]

28. Same here...

aparently some antigunners fall for the stereotype that all gun owners are white.

[alwynsw]

31. Aren't we?

That is, aren't we all tall, thin, and blonde on the Internet? Besides, that's the only folks I know who own guns - tall, thin, and blonde - you know - Aryan types. (At least according to some posters in this forum.)

[alwynsw]

30. Down, you nasty fetishist!

[JayS]

33. Remember that government run housing project that had...

...mostly minority tenants and the government came in and said that they could not have firearms of any sort even though they were in a high crime neighborhood? Did the ACLU come to their aid? No, the racist NRA did. Funny, isn't it.

[OpSomBlood]

37. I'm Hispanic.

It's funny...which side of this argument brings up race at every opportunity?

[mosin]

47. Yep

Yep. We must be self-loathing minorities determined to keep ourselves down.

I'm just sorry I didn't see it sooner. :eyes:

[slackmaster]

41. ROTFLMAO!

The gun rights message is code for race and everyone knows it.

Only the most paranoid gun-phobics have advanced that notion, Bill.

[RoeBear]

51. You're funny!

Laws that give me an equal chance to own weapons and legally carry them concealed is somehow racist? Those racists advocating shall issue CCW are certainly a stupid bunch.

[TexasMexican]

29. trying to put words in my mouth

I did not make fun of the teens who ended thier life, but I did try to make fun of the antigunners who seem to think new bans and laws need to be put into place everytime something tradgic happens.

[alwynsw]

32. Amen!

[Name removed]

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[T Town Jake]

35. Gee, bill...

...really? In a bar? In your neighborhood? That's sweet...in my neighborhood bar, even putting the large Freeper GOP element there aside, the pro-gun Democrats present I drink with would have a rather different reaction. A lot of those guys, many of whom belong to a Union, would be amazed beyond belief to hear that they're "on the side of evil," since most of them have voted for every Democrat who's ever appeared on a ballot. And to a man, incredibly enough, they're all gun owners.
Perhaps they're all figments of THEIR own imaginations, too, since you folks in the gun control crowd continue to insist that no "real" Democrat anywhere, anytime, or under any circumstances has EVER touched a firearm for any reason, or even looked at one without first trembling and then throwing up. /Sarcasm.
Please spare me such nonsense: the day the Democratic Party quits carrying the slop buckets for the gun control crowd is the day we become a Majority Party at every level of government for the next one hundred years. That's a proven, and provable, fact.

[billbuckhead]

36. See how little luck you have changing the Democratic parties gun stands

:D You gun lovers had your chance with Dean and he lost every single state outside Vermont.

[OpSomBlood]

38. Dean supported the AWB renewal.

So please, check your facts prior to spewage.

[slackmaster]

40. Alcohol and heated discussions don't mix

What are you trying to do, Bill? Pick a FIGHT over a mere political issue? That doesn't sound very "progressive".

MY bar is pro-gun. Of course only the owner is allowed to POSSESS a gun there, but most of the employees and customers are gun owners and supporters of the RKBA. We even take groups of customers out on shoots every now and then.

http://www.broadwaypub.com

[slackmaster]

39. Yuck

People who have experience in cleaning up after suicides have told me that hangings produce much more unpleasant messes than shootings.

[Wickerman]

44. my experiences would suggest it depends on much

like type of weapon, length of time to discovery, etc. Shotguns are not the weapon that you would want to clean up after.

[TX-RAT]

45. Shotguns are not the weapon that you would want to clean up after

Thats a understatement.

[Wickerman]

46. I figured that would get you out and about on this topic!

edited- not really anything to be said if you have ever been in that room, huh?

[RoeBear]

49. Any chance that...

...many of these suffocation suicides are actually auto erotic attempts gone wrong?

[NorthernSpy]

52. fatal asphyxophilia -- I've heard of it

Yeah, I read something about that a couple of years ago. I'd had the impression that accidental autoasphyxiation deaths tended to occur in an older group of people -- not teens -- but now I'm not so sure. I suppose that something like this could account for some of the suicides among boys, but I really couldn't hazard a guess as to percentage.


http://www.silentvictims.org/correspond.htm is a collection of letters written by people who have had a member of their family killed or injured through this practice.


Mary