I thought that this was interesting

[forgethell]

I don't know anything about this website other than this article. But I have to say that I believe in self-defense and the right to own a gun.

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=8073



:-)

[CO Liberal]

1. I Always Judge a Web Site By Their Links

From the www.chronwatch.com web site you referenced:

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Recommended Links

Here are some Web sites that you might find interesting

Men's News Daily*

Documenting the Politically Absurd*

Benador Associates*

AnnCoulter.Org*

WildJew.com*

Rough & Tumble*

American Patrol*

Toogood Reports*

Pacific Justice Institute*

Calnews.com*

Ron Unz site: Cal. Education K-12*

Ward Connerly*

News That's Unfit*

Capital Hill Blue*

Media Research Center*

Davis Whistle-Blowers*

Berkeley Boycott*

* * * * *

As far as I'm concerned, any site that recommends both AnnCoulter.Org and the Media Research Center is a site I want nothing to do with.

And I would tend to ignore anything posted on it.

[forgethell]

2. thanks for the info n/t

[iverglas]

3. gee ...

I don't know anything about this website other than this article.

I do, I do!!

How?? you ask. Well, as if by magic ... I clicked on the name of the website at the top of the page you linked to. Whew, are my fingers tired.

ChronWatch.com is a media watchdog and conservative news site, with a focus on the San Francisco Chronicle. We provide commentary on recent Chronicle articles, journalists and publications, in addition to our own guest columns and editorial.

If I then click on "about us" and then on "how to be a liberal" ... well hey, your fingers probably need the exercise, so go do it for yourself, and spare the rest of us the bother, since we all know what it says already.

Gosh, I see that the site has some other real must-read articles!

Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11": A Conspiracy Theory by Richard Mullenax

Bill Clinton: The Oxygen Destroyer by Barbara Stock

Terrorist Have More Rights Than You Have by Judson Cox

Re-Importing Hillary Health Care Through the Back Door by Chuck Muth

The Paul Johnson Beheading, and the Nature of Our Enemies by Joe Mariani

Bill Clinton Had the Right Idea--This Time! by Frank Salvato

The Liberal - Al Qaeda Link by Bob Parks

Gosh. I wonder whether it has an agenda.

More stuff to click on:

"Mainstream" Liberal Media Indirectly Responsible...

liberals in shock

Quagmire-Free News: What's Going Right in Iraq*

Moore's Attempts to Indoctrinate Children Fail, R-Rating Upheld*

Slate.com Blasts Movie: "Unfairenheit 9/11, The Lies of Michael Moore"*

Hey NY Times, Now Who's Lying?*

Liberal Journalists Wringing Hands Over Pew Findings of Media Bias*

Michael Moore Accepts Help From Hezbollah on Movie*

(Damn, two of those "stories" were posted by a right-wing asshole I encounter elsewhere just yesterday.)


So, you've told us you believe in self-defence (duh) and the right to own a gun. Kewl, eh? I, for one, am suitably enlightened now, I'm sure.

Did you want to tell us something about the article you went to all this effort to post here?

A sample:

While homicide is lower and robbery is similar, assault and rape occur more than twice as often in Australia, proving that when the physically weaker are barred from possessing the best tool for self-defense, they are rendered helpless.

Excuse me while I laugh my head off ... or was that puke my guts out ...

C'mon, tell us your favourite bit of pig-ignorance from the article, and we'll all laugh together.

[TheDebbieDee]

4. Oh, quit, iverglas. LLLLLOOOOOoooolllll. You're killin me. : ^ ))

[iverglas]

5. aw shucks

I just have such good material to work with. ;)

A never-ending supply of it down here, there is.

[forgethell]

6. Well, I didn't bother

excuse me. I thought it was interesting in its own right, regardless of the political views of the publication. I still support gun rights and oppose gun control. You know my views, Watson, can you figure the point I was trying to make. I more or less agree with the findings, at least I hope they're correct.

Just because something is published on a RW site doesn't automatically make it wrong, it just has to be looked at a little more closely. You don't want your mind to be so open your brains fall out, but they shouldn't be locked like a steel drum, either.

cheers to ya'll, too.

[iverglas]

7. "it just has to be looked at a little more closely"

And it has been, both here, repeatedly, and all over the internet.

I more or less agree with the findings, at least I hope they're correct.

Dog knows how anybody can "agree with" "findings". Either they're true and properly analyzed and presented, or they aren't. (Gosh, one might almost suspect that you have an agenda too, to be saying such things -- the findings "agree with" your preconceived notions or ideology, do they?)

In this case, and I'm sorry to disappoint you, they aren't.

We all know you aren't going to do the work, but here are a few actual facts:
http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~lambert/guns/45100_2002_t10.html

Comparing 1993-1996 (pre-ban) and 1997-2002 (post-ban) --

- murders by firearms fell 18%
- robberies with firearms fell 10%

Kidnapping with firearms rose -- but kidnapping without firearms rose more.
Sexual assault with firearms rose more than sexual assault without firearms.

Perhaps you really and truly expected that tightly restricting access to firearms would somehow stop people from robbing other people at knifepoint ... and in that case, you must share your koolaid, please.

Oh, I know. It's the "substitution effect". People commit *more* crimes without firearms than they committed with firearms, because ... because ... because they can't get firearms. Of course.

You don't want your mind to be so open your brains fall out, but they shouldn't be locked like a steel drum, either.

I wouldn't worry about brains falling out. What I'd worry about is the sewage that seems to be getting in.

[forgethell]

8. I see that you know nothing

of peer review. or of the fact that scientists often present controversial results of their research which can be disputed and argued over until more facts come in.

murders by firearms? total murders is all that counts. Prevention. You're right, I want do any further research because, in the social sciences, all the researchers have an agenda. Sometimes they get it right. But the point is, I can find research to support either view, and, in the end, I have to go with what matches my own experience, which is that criminals are intelligent human beings who will not commit their crimes when there is a likelihood of getting caught and punished, or shot.

Cheers

[iverglas]

9. indeed

I see that you know nothing of peer review.

I assume you have a reason for making this statement. What shall I assume it to be? I mean, it's not like it's obvious.

Perhaps you are suggesting that the article you linked to in your opening post was peer-reviewed. Hahahaha ... oops. I'll be it was. It was reviewed by the author's peers -- a bunch of other right-wing cretins with no regard for truth.


murders by firearms? total murders is all that counts. Prevention.

I see you know nothing of common sense.

Putting seatbelts in cars will certainly reduce the number of deaths by car crash, and thus the total number of deaths ... unless there just happened to be some other factor at work to increase the total number of deaths anyway.

Like maybe there was an earthquake the same year as the seatbelts went in. Total deaths rose from 1000 to 3000 in a single year! Obviously, seatbelts are ineffective in preventing deaths!! -- signed, Mary Rosh.

So hey, I give up. How might one go about reducing the total number of murders without reducing access to firearms? Perhaps you have the answer that humanity has been looking for, for millennia. Who knows?


Ah ... I see you do.

But the point is, I can find research to support either view, and, in the end, I have to go with what matches my own experience, which is that criminals are intelligent human beings who will not commit their crimes when there is a likelihood of getting caught and punished, or shot.

Maybe if you tell us what planet you live on, we can all come for a visit.

Taxes must be a whole lot lower there, what with there being no need for prisons and all.