Self Defence 101 According to Queensland Police Department

[rusk2003]

Surfing the web I found this on the QPD In Australia we all know they have stiff Gun and Weapon Control Laws and Queensland is like the most strict state. Here are a few ways to defend your self in Queensland if mugged.

1. fake illness heart attack, stroke,ashma. and ask for some water.
2. Call out to a fake person Jhon help me. they said if you sound convinicing they will almost certainly look away.
3.negoiate with your attack.
4.Act gross urinate defecate or pick your noise.
5. Screaming
6. tell them you have a disease
That is just some of what was on there could you imagine the only way that might work is they might kil over laugfing.

[JayS]

1. This is a joke....I hope. n/t

n/t

[TX-RAT]

2. I've arrested people who used the same tactics

Didn't work then, won't work now.

[DoverFrank]

14. I quickly deduced that you are from texas

Where at and where do you serve? My wifes ex is a no good scoff-law in Houston, or somewhere near there. Can you arrest him, please :)

I have some friends that are cops, one in San Diego, the other in Missouri. Ive never been a big fan of police }( but they do tell some good stories! Hats off to you, I couldnt do it.

[TX-RAT]

67. Can't help you sorry

Retired.
Might add, if theres child support involved, I'm sure the state would be interested.

[DoverFrank]

68. I dont care about the money

He just never calls his son! Not on christmas, birthdays, never. Aside from that he's a damn liar and gets himself into trouble every other month. He will eventually find himself in jail, just a matter of time.

[TX-RAT]

70. They usually do.

("I don't care about the money")
The state of TX does. If he owes back child support, they will do everything they can to collect, and make it available to his son.
TX has really been cracking down on deadbeat dads.
As far as not calling his son, thats not a crime. Just a bad father.

[FatSlob]

3. It's real, I searched the site until I found it.

http://www.police.qld.gov.au/pr/program/p_safety/gen_advi/options.shtml

Options to Physical Self Defence

In an attack or confrontation there are a number of options available that do not require physical self defence to fend off the attacker.

* Faking a heart attack, asthma attack, epileptic fit, faint or mental illness;
* Faking a coughing fit and asking for a glass of water;
* Calling out to a fictitious person behind the attacker e.g. "William, help me" - if you are convincing there is no doubt that the attacker will look around;
* Tell the attacker that you have AIDS/Hepatitis;
* Verbal response - negotiate with the attacker;
* Tell the attacker that "Someone will be coming back in a minute";
* Ask to go to the bathroom to remove tampon/insert diaphragm;
* Be revolting - throw up, defecate/urinate/pick your nose;
* In the case of an attack involving a knife or other weapons, use the ‘fantasy’ option to remove the threat of the weapon, to enable escape e.g. "I’ve alwaysfantasised about this happening to me, but the knife makes me feel uncomfortable...";
* Wait for the attacker’s attention to be momentarily diverted and seek escape; and/or
* Anything else that you can think of to stop the attack or create an opportunity to escape.


These options may be very useful to create opportunities for escape or to deter the attack, however many require further action as they will not generally stop an attack on their own. For example, calling out to a fictitious person will generally divert the attacker’s attention, action then must be taken to either run away, or disable the attacker before seeking escape. It is also vital to note that to effectively utilise any of these options, you must be totally convincing to your attacker.

I say that this is just fucking absurd.

[MrBenchley]

4. Gee, fat slob...

Funny you missed all the other options for those wishing to take physical self defense steps...

For example, on that very same page:

"The three primary target areas are:
1. Eyes - if the attacker can’t see you, they are unable to continue with the attack.
2. Throat - if an attacker cannot breathe, they will be unable to continue with the attack.
3. Groin - if an attacker cannot stand, they will be unable to continue with the attack.
Other effective target areas include: the nose, kneecaps, ears, head and face of the attacker."

That same page also says THIS:

"In Queensland you have the right to physically defend yourself with reasonable force, provided that this force is authorised, justified or excused by law."

[FatSlob]

5. I didn't miss a damn thing.

The post was limited to the topic outlined by the original poster. Get real. You'll also note that the site says it is illegal to use a weapon to defend yourself. It appears that even pepper spray is illegal. Absurd.

[MrBenchley]

7. So in other words you meant to be misleading

"The post was limited to the topic outlined by the original poster"
Since when?

"Get real."
Gee, pretending that most of what a webpage says doesn't exist is "real" --real dishonest.

"You'll also note that the site says it is illegal to use a weapon to defend yourself."
Yeah...I wonder how much violent crime there is in Queensland...oh yeah, next to none.

[iverglas]

10. what falseness is this??

You'll also note that the site says it is illegal to use a weapon to defend yourself.

*I* note that the site says absolutely no such fucking thing.

Weapons

Depending on the situation, weapons may be used in self-defence. Items such as a pen, keys, hairbrush, (in fact, nearly any nearby object) can be used as an effective weapon. Remember to emphasise however, that the force used must be authorised, justified or excused by law.

As a rule, the law generally does not allow the carrying of anything that can be described as a weapon. This includes mace, spray dyes, most personal alarms, or any other items which have been specifically adapted, such as sharpened combs, knives carried for the purpose of self defence etc.

Of course, sharpened combs (?) and knives "etc." aren't usually carried for self-defence at all, as we all know perfectly well.

Pepper spray is illegal in Canada too, you'll be happy to know.

[MrBenchley]

16. Nothing like an honest, good faith discussion of issues, is there?

Especially not from our bullets for brains bunch.

[JayS]

21. It might as well say it is illegal to use a weapon to defend yourself. nt

n/t

[MrBenchley]

27. Yeah, it's hardly worth living unless somebody gets shot....

Never mind what it actually says....

[JayS]

28. Nope, life is worth living. That is why I don't let the government...

...dictate to the letter what I can and cannot use to defend myself.

[MrBenchley]

29. So much for "law abiding gun owners"

but then we all knew THAT...

and certainly the truth (what the law actually SAYS for example) don't enter into trigger happy people's delusion

[JayS]

37. dictate to the letter - key phrase

[MrBenchley]

43. Meaningless phrase--what else is new?

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[JayS]

73. And same old stuff from Benchley.

Go write another check to DU. I'll give you something to do.

[MrBenchley]

74. Why not?

After all, there are plenty of "pro gun democrats" here cheering on the Republican agenda...or lying about respected Democrats...or peddling this idiotic "oppressive Australia" crap for the umpty-umpth time.

[JayS]

80. What lies are being told about respected Democrats? Do tell.

Some well-known Democrats that do not deserve respect get bashed here regularly, for good reason. When they quit helping Republicans get into office I am sure they will be treated better though.

[MrBenchley]

81. Gee, jay...

the only ones around here "helping Republicans get into office" are all pimping for the far right wing RKBA cause.

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[MrBenchley]

86. And the RKBA crowd has a right to post pro-Democratic stuff

but all we ever get is excuses why they can't...

they have the right to post crap from every right wing cesspool they can find...and they exercise that constantly.

[JayS]

87. We post pro-Democratic stuff all the time. We put the PROGRESS...

...in PROGRESSive.

[FatSlob]

76. If the law says you can't carry something described as a weapon,

then you can't carry a weapon. You may use something else as a weapon, however. Way to defend a disgraceful law.

[iverglas]

77. get a grip

"Way to defend a disgraceful law."

What you said, and what was false, was this:

"You'll also note that the site says it is illegal to use a weapon to defend yourself."

If you'd said Adolph Hitler was a blond, and I demonstrated that what you said was false and that Hitler was a brunet, would I be defending Hitler?

That's an analogy. Not a statement that Australian laws are Hitler.

Here.



I know how abstract thought gives some a headache.

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[iverglas]

79. of course, a "normal person" (edited)

... might be expected to apologize for inadvertently or deliberately misrepresenting the thing in issue, as the case might have been.

... Oh, and now, of course, for misrepresenting what I actually said and did ("defend" the Australian legislation, when what I did was state what it says).

Anything else you'd like to do that will need apologizing for?

[FatSlob]

83. I don't feel that I misrepresented the weapons thing.

I write in the language of the common man, you write like an attorney. When we read each other's posts, we need to recognize that.

edit: sorry, I was wrong about you defending the law. My bad!

[iverglas]

9. yuppers

As police we are frequently called upon to offer advice to community members in relation to appropriate actions to take when an individual’s personal safety is threatened. Whilst the availability of one ‘set’ answer would be comforting to many, the reality is that no-one can provide one safety option that will work with 100 percent effectiveness in 100 percent of situations. Rather, it is important to emphasise that an individual involved in such a confrontation needs to be aware of a wide range of personal safety options, in order to draw upon those that they feel will best preserve their safety in the given situation.

This section will address the following issues:

The importance of taking ‘action’ as opposed to ‘inaction’ to deal with a threat to our personal safety; and

The three major factors that assist in determining appropriate safety options in any given situation. These being:

1.the personal strengths and weaknesses of the defender;
2.the perceived motivations for the attack/confrontation; and
3.any relevant environmental factors accompanying the attack.

Further to the above issues, this section will also outline a number of specific actions which may be utilised in a confrontational situation. This will be done in order to provide community members with a range of effective safety options for use, should their personal safety ever be threatened.

The language was a little awkward, but "Options to Physical Self Defence" plainly means ALTERNATIVES to physical self-defence, and in the context it is plain that they are offered as alternatives for those who may wish or need to use them, not as a recommendation that they be used in place of physical self-defence.

Will the misrepresentations never end ...

[Township75]

11. Is that what you would do bench

I would love to see a 120 lb woman do that to a 190 lb man.

While I am sure there are some that could, it is likely not the majority.

[MrBenchley]

12. Not me...

I'd find an open sore on them and rub one of the RKBA crowd's rancid posts on it...the septic shock will kill them instantly.

[Township75]

15. Another great self defense idea from an anti-RKBA crowd member

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[MrBenchley]

20. Gee, town....

if I ever care what you think, I'll be sure and let you know.

[Township75]

22. Gee, bench...

if I ever care what you care about what I think, I'll be sure to let you know

[MrBenchley]

26. Hey, you asked me

I didn't ask you....

[Township75]

30. Hey, you can't tell the difference between...

asking if you would do any of those recommendations, and telling you that I would ask if you if I cared what you thought about what I thought. I can.

[MrBenchley]

31. I can't tell the difference between

the RKBA creed and ordinary right wing horseshit either...and don't much think the difference worth worrying about.

But then I'm not the one who has to repeat other people's posts word for word because he's so lame, either.

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[MrBenchley]

45. Hey, there really is no difference worth mentioning...

[Township75]

54. Well, if it's not worth mentioning...

you should stop trying to mention it.

[MrBenchley]

56. Sorry, I think I will keep mentioning there's no difference...

[Township75]

62. What's to be sorry about...

doesn't hurt me you devote so much time to matters of "no difference."

[MrBenchley]

64. Gee, you sure seem to spend a lot of time crying about it

But if its no skin off your nose, then it's sure as hell no skin off mine to mention it.

[iverglas]

8. fucking absurd, you say?

I say: IT WORKED FOR ME.

* Wait for the attacker’s attention to be momentarily diverted and seek escape; and/or
* Anything else that you can think of to stop the attack or create an opportunity to escape.

When the man who had abducted and violently and sexually assaulted me finally opened a car door (I couldn't, since all the inside handles had been removed) and suggested that we "go for a walk" in the woods down in that deserted quarry ... well, I didn't think it was a good idea.

I had convinced him I was a chain smoker and needed to have a cigarette in hand at all times in order not to be problematic. So when he said "put your shoes on", I thought "no, I run better without 'em", and I said "okay! I'll just take my cigarettes" and reached for my purse (actually, so as to have my ID with me) and the shoes and took advantage of the split second of inattention on his part and RAN.

True, some of the other strategies I'd tried hadn't worked to prevent the assault -- the "I have a disease, I have my period" one didn't go over (we didn't have HIV around back then). But the "hey, this is cool, I do this all the time, you should have just told me what we were doing" one did get him not to choke me again or use other violence.

Had it not been for the fact that we were in that deserted place and that his obvious intention was to kill me, I would have been a survivor of assault at that point; he would just have driven off and left me. Most men who commit sexual assault really have no intention of killing their victims. I just happened on a serial one (two previous known incidents that weekend for which he was then wanted, I learned later), who was, to all appearances, about to escalate from sexual assault to homicide.

Of course, if he'd had a gun, I'd be dead these 30 years now. There wouldn't have been any of this "let's go for a walk", and then panicking and letting me get away. (Really, do we imagine that all criminals are masterminds? I interrupted his plan, he couldn't cope.)

And if *I* had had a gun, there's a damned good chance I'd be dead anyway, because there's just no way of knowing what it would have ended up doing inside that locked car with a man bigger and stronger than I.

But here I am. Saved by my wits. Just like those Aussie coppers recommend.

Of course, an interesting question is always at what point in any scenario the victim would have had the chance to use that gun anyhow. Criminals may not be masterminds, but they seldom announce their intentions from 20 paces.

[MrBenchley]

13. By the way...

you will find it hard to believe, but on another thread right at this moment, there is an "enthusiast" rubbing his hands together and moaning about why there is not more "civility and respect" around.

That IS quite a mystery, isn't it?

[TX-RAT]

51. Sucked the air out of me with that one.

What a nightmare.
You used your head and saved your life.
I hope they got him.

[iverglas]

59. they got him

They were already looking for him, because of the two prior incidents that same weekend (about 60 miles away), one of which involved the abduction and assault of two young women (sisters aged 16 & 17) and the other of which involved the attempted abduction of 3 young women of about the same age. Those are the ones who did report to the police, anyhow. And in the second incident, the three young women persuaded him to let them out of the car ... by threatening him with a hairbrush. Yup. And it was thanks to all of us that nobody else was hurt.

All of us had taken and reported his licence plate number. All of us were able to describe his car interior in detail. I was able to describe him down to the scar on his forehead ... and the large bruise likely to be found on his abdomen. I'd missed my actual target in the struggle when I grabbed and twisted. And the friend with whom I'd been (who was not going as far as I was, and so got out before the incident) was able to take police to the address where the driver had stopped earlier, which turned out to be his cousin's place, thus clinching the ID. It was only a matter of a day before he was picked up, I think. And then after the trial on the first incident, he pleaded guilty in the case involving me.

He was what most offenders like him are: a dumb loser.

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24. What none of these does...

is prevent future the attacks on other women. One or two encounters where the victim attempts any of those suggestions is not going to deter
a would be rapist from committing violence again, and again (by the 3rd or 4th time they might even start to get wise and ignore the charade).

By and large, sexual predators are not going to stop unless captured or killed. A woman armed and properly trained with a handgun not only lessens the chance of becoming a victim herself, but can also help those less capable or unwilling of defending themselves so they won't be victimized in the future.

[iverglas]

49. there we have it

What none of these does... is prevent future the attacks on other women.

Guess what?

The purpose of SELF-defence -- which is what "these" were all about -- IS NOT to prevent future anything.

When you talk about a victim of crime preventing future attacks, you aren't talking about self-defence. You are talking about VIGILANTE JUSTICE. You are talking about DENIAL OF DUE PROCESS.

One or two encounters where the victim attempts any of those suggestions is not going to deter a would be rapist from committing violence again

Guess what?

SELF-defence ISN'T MEANT TO deter anything.

A woman armed and properly trained with a handgun not only lessens the chance of becoming a victim herself, but can also help those less capable or unwilling of defending themselves so they won't be victimized in the future.

And a woman armed with a handgun, or anything else, or nothing, who causes any harm to anyone that is beyond what is reasonable and reasonably necessary in SELF-defence IS COMMITTING A VIOLENT CRIME. She is also acting contrary to some of the most fundamental tenets of our society, like those ones about innocent until proved guilty, fair trials, and that sort of thing.


And so once again, we have the same stinking exploitation of women's victimization in the service of someone's agenda we always have, and we have a surprising </sarcasm> disregard for things like the constitutions that said exploiters claim to hold so dear.

Amendment V to the US Constitution

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Ditto:

Section 7 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms
(Part I of the Constitution Act, 1982)

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.

I just don't understand it. How can anybody fixate on one article in that US Bill of Rights and advocate such gross violations of another??

A government that permitted victims of crime to execute their assailants, and that permitted its police authorities to advise victims of crime to do so, would be a government in violation of that amendment.

And a person who advocated such a violation would not be what I consider to be a liberal, or a democrat, let alone progressive.

[DoverFrank]

6. lol, tell them you have a disease?

Please dont take my wallet, I have a rash! :)

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25. "tell them you have a disease?"

To which the rapist responds...

"You too"?

[CO Liberal]

18. According to a Question I Heard Once on "Hollywood Squares"...

...a good way to repel a rapist is to start drooling or acting mentally disturbed.

I guess there are lots of non-gun solutions.

[OpSomBlood]

23. Double-tap to center of mass.

Most foolproof method of rape prevention yet developed.

[Fescue4u]

32. HOpe thats a joke.

[MrBenchley]

33. Nope, it's another phony "Oppressive Australia" pile of crap

Doesn't the RKBA crowd EVER get tired of peddling this tedious horseshit?

[Fescue4u]

34. So the website doesnt exist?

Pity.

I had a funny image of you exercising self defense by defeating on yourself...as suggested in these guidelines.

[MrBenchley]

35. It's the RKBA crowd running around with their pantloads steaming

....AGAIN.

[Fescue4u]

38. Actually... it sounds like the anti-gun-zealots

Are the ones with the pantload in this case.

Btw, I found the website that you claimed didnt exist.

As usual, your credibility is intact.

[MrBenchley]

41. New day, same old RKBA pantload...

[Fescue4u]

46. More self defense advice eh?

You buy the depends.

I'll buy a gun.

[MrBenchley]

47. You wear the depends and wave your gun around

and I'll keep right on laughing at how dishonest the RKBA crowd is.

[Fescue4u]

48. Im dishonest?

You are the person claimed that it was phony.

Go crap your pants and scare off the boogymen.

[MrBenchley]

50. You said it...

[Fescue4u]

53. Funny

Funny coming from a man who just told me that something didnt exist, that clearly does.

Someday, when you are all grown up, I suspect that you will look back and laugh.

Most of us are already laughing.

[MrBenchley]

57. Yeah, it IS funny...

to see how desperately you have to distort what was actually said to have any sort of post at all...

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36. The Ministry of Screaming.

<insert video clip of reporter John Cleese advising female citizens on how to respond to an attacker>.




"Screaming"

One of the most effective self defence techniques is screaming effectively. An effective scream involves making a loud, guttural roar, generated from the depths of your diaphragm. The scream should be aggressive and ‘roar-like’ indicating your anger at the attacker, rather than a high-pitched squeal of fear. An effective scream has the potential to achieve a number of results.

Firstly, an effective scream turns fear of being attacked into anger, and in so doing produces an adrenaline rush. This will provide the defender with an instant energy and power burst. The adrenaline rush will allow the defender to move faster, think quicker and multiply their strength, in order to deal with the attack.

Secondly, the defender has unexpectedly turned from intended victim to aggressor and this is likely to temporarily ‘shock’ the attacker. This will not only allow a brief moment to execute further self-defence techniques to stop the attack and escape, but will also cause the attacker’s body to tense up momentarily - increasing the effectiveness of any strikes executed.

The third reason for screaming is to attract attention. Even if people don’t come running to assist you, the attacker will certainly be conscious of the possibility that someone may have heard you and may decide to discontinue the attack, rather than confront other persons".

[OpSomBlood]

39. Just scream and shit yourself.

That scares away sociopathic criminals every damn time.

Sorry, I'm not going to depend on the judgment of a person who has already decided to commit a violent crime to determine whether or not I survive an attack.

Maybe screaming and faking a heart attack works for some people. More power to you.

[Fescue4u]

40. Gives new meaning to 'What a paintload"

lol..

All this time, the anti-gunners, were trying to tell us alternatives to firearms for self defense.

[MrBenchley]

42. It's what the RKBA crowd does regularly here...

That's why we have yet another "oppressive Australia" thread from the bullets for brains bunch....

[Pert_UK]

52. OK, I'll bite..........

Australia (along with many other civilised countries) doesn't permit the carrying of weapons for self-defence purposes. Therefore it makes perfect sense for the police to offer citizens advice on how to cope with a potentially violent incident without recourse to weaponry.

Of course, I'm not saying I agree 100% with all their suggestions, but there's nothing wrong in principle with what they're doing.

Personally, I would have thought that they might recommend a course in self-defence, but what do I know?

[Romulus]

55. "course on self-defense" = antisocial

<sarcasm on - struggling to understand the mindset over there>

Why if you take a course on self defense, that just means you intend on assaulting somebody, right?

Possessing knowledge of fighting skills is no different than roaming the streets with hidden assault-pepper-spray tucked in your pocket.

Civilised people do no such thing. :eyes:

<sarcasm off>

[MrBenchley]

58. Don't you realize...

that the only answer (no matter what the question) is pooping in the parkl guns guns guns guns guns guns....

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[MrBenchley]

66. Why bother?

It's not like the RKBA crowd has anything but these childish lies and distortions.

How many dishonest and bogus threads does this make about "oppressive Australia?"

[iverglas]

71. so, rusk2003

Did you have a point?

[MrBenchley]

75. guess he's in the wind...

along with the enthusiast who was demanding "civility and respect" as well as an apology...although he refused to say what he thought he deserved an apology FOR.