Anyone see this? Man shoots someone who threw tomatoes at his car

[Pert_UK]

I make no comments.......other than this is a waste of a (tomato throwing) life.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=94415&mesg_id=94415

[Rocinante]

1. Yes

but I read through it quickly, I'm just checking in online every once in a while. I Finally got Al Franken's book today and I'm trying to get it read. Driving through a tomato storm is no excuse for murder. It's just more insanity. Getting back to the book now, will check in later.

[Rocinante]

2. Just checking in before bed

the tomato story just goes to show what happens when idiots have guns. Hell when I was a kid my friends and I got fired on while rolling a yard on Halloween. Nobody was hurt but one of our bicycles took a hit. Anyway, I don't see the U.S. keeping guns out of the hands of morons anytime soon.

[slackmaster]

3. What is "rolling a yard"?

Is that a nice thing to do?

:shrug:

[Rocinante]

4. No not nice

rolling a yard is rolling it with toilet paper, and if you know how throwing it all through the trees.

[slackmaster]

5. Thanks, in SoCal we used to call that TPing

It was a sign of endearment, often a form of flirtation that young teenage boys would visit upon a young lady's house before they were old enough to have the courage to ask one out on a date.

[Pert_UK]

6. Tip: it only works if the toilet paper is unsoiled!

:evilgrin:

P.

[CO Liberal]

7. Another Responsible, Law-Abiding Gun Owner

How sad...........

[slackmaster]

8. No, another asshole hothead who shouldn't have a weapon

As a responsible, law-abiding gun owner I get very tired of that kind of sarcasm, CO Liberal.

Let's call a spade a spade from now on. I'll renounce derogatory terms like "gun-grabbing monkey" unilaterally as a sign of my sincerity. At least for the rest of this week.

[CO Liberal]

9. This Just Makes My Point Again

Us pro-control folks are constantly being told by the pro-gunners that "we have nothing to fear from responsible, law-abiding gun owners - just from the criminals". Yet a split second can change someone from "responsible, law-abiding gun owner" to "asshole hothead criminal".

[slackmaster]

10. I resent being put into the same category as that sick individual

Even when it is done in sarcasm, simply because I have chosen to own guns.

But without ad hominem the anti-RKBA side wouldn't have much of a leg to stand on in a debate.

ON EDIT:

BTW - Are we completely certain the Ohio shooter did not have a prior criminal record; that his gun was owned legally? For all we know the guy was a convicted murderer out on parole. The article does not say, and I haven't seen any followups.

We do know that it's illegal to carry a loaded gun in your car in Ohio.

[CO Liberal]

11. Anyone With a Gun...

...can move from one category to the other in a split second.

Just keep that in mind.....

[slackmaster]

13. Gee, CO, so can anyone with a CAR or a KNIFE

All it takes is one little twist of the steering wheel and 12 schoolkids could be mowed down.

Let's fast-forward this one to get it over with:

ANTI: But cars are designed for transportation. Guns are designed to KILL!

PRO: Guns are designed to propel pieces of metal at high velocity. It's up to the operator to determine the purpose. And some guns are specifically designed for target shooting.

ANTI: Target shooting is just practicing to be able to KILL!

PRO: Sometimes people need to be killed.

ANTI: Come and see the violent intent inherent in the gun-hugging baby-killing RKBA enthusiast!

PRO: Illogical argument. Appeal to emotion.

ANTI: It's about preserving LIFE!

PRO: Yes, that's why I own a gun.

ANTI: You just own a gun because you hope you can kill someone with it some day.

PRO: Look what we have here, another Internet mind-reader. How many fingers am I holding up?

ANTI: Go peddle it elsewhere.

PRO: If that's the best you can come up with, the RKBA is safe.

MODERATOR: Locking this.

[DoNotRefill]

15. You forgot...

"ANTI: Come and see the violent intent inherent in the gun-hugging baby-killing RKBA enthusiast!"

the "Help, help, I'm being repressed!!!" ;-)

[DoNotRefill]

14. Just like any woman can move from being a virtuous woman...

to being a prostitute in a split second. That doesn't mean I worry that my wife's going to do that, despite the fact that she's got all the necessary equipment...

[MrBenchley]

12. Right to the point

As every day tragedies like this clearly show:

"A 40-year-old Houston man was shot and killed Monday during a dispute with his nephew at the nephew's home in southeast Houston, police said. "

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/2077231

[Township75]

16. Hey, CO-L, you tell us how you know this guy wasa law abiding gun owner.

I'm just curious...did the article say anything in the article about the guy not having a criminal record, or that he legally purchased a gun.

[CO Liberal]

17. And How do YOU Know Hw Was a Life-Long Criminal????

Since you pro-gunners keep saying that the overwhelming majority of gun owners are responsible and law-abiding, I believe my argument has the numbers on its side....

[Superfly]

18. So, are you saying that the majority of gunowners

are neither responsible nor law-abiding?

Damn, I better turn myself into the cops...

[CO Liberal]

20. No, Not at All

I'm just saying that anyone who chooses to have a gun takes on a hell of a lot of responsibility to the rest of society to use it safely. And if someone crosses over that line, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[Superfly]

21. You know something

I agree with those statements 100%.

[slackmaster]

19. Go back and re-read what I actually wrote

I said that we don't know whether or not he had a criminal record.

Since you pro-gunners keep saying that the overwhelming majority of gun owners are responsible and law-abiding, I believe my argument has the numbers on its side....

What argument?

BTW we DO know he was driving around with a loaded shotgun, which was illegal. His conversion from non-criminal to criminal did not happen in the blink of an eye, at least not as you have suggested. He put some thought into his hideous act of violence.

[Township75]

22. Go run from your previous post like you always do...

Here is something else you can not respond to because you have no defense.

Show me where I said this guy was a life long criminal. You stated this individual was a law abiding gun owner; I said nothing about him.

So back-up what you said. Personally, I think you made a baseless claim...but you can prove me wrong...right? You CAN prove me wrong cant you?

If you can't, just change the subject, answer a question you wished I had asked, or just provide a response that doesn't answer my question.

[CO Liberal]

23. I'm Not Running From Anything

From my previous post:

Since you pro-gunners keep saying that the overwhelming majority of gun owners are responsible and law-abiding, I believe my argument has the numbers on its side....

If as the pro-gunners maintain the overwhelming majority of gun owners are responsible and law-abiding, then more likely than not so was this person. I was just stating the odds.

[slackmaster]

25. Sorry CO, I don't follow your logic at all

If as the pro-gunners maintain the overwhelming majority of gun owners are responsible and law-abiding, then more likely than not so was this person.

We know from his behavior:

A) Driving around with a loaded shotgun in his car for an unknown amount of time, and

B) Shooting at people who did not need to be shot,

That the guy is NOT a law-abiding individual. We have abundant evidence to establish that fact.

[CO Liberal]

26. But Until He Did A And B......

...he was a responsible, law-abiding gun owner......right?

[slackmaster]

27. Wrong

We don't know.

You are assuming facts not in evidence.

Frankly I think your assumption that this individual never had any criminal activity in his past is very weak. Most violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders.

But either way, we just don't know.

[MrBenchley]

24. Tell us, town

are you pretending now you didn't say "did the article say anything in the article about the guy not having a criminal record" implying that he did have one?

Different tragedy, but right to the point: "Were it not for the easy availability of guns, losers bearing grudges--in workplaces or, more often, on the streets--would need more courage to seek their deluded sense of justice. They would have to wield knives or other, more intimate weapons. By empowering losers such as Tapia, whose unaccomplished life evidently was fueled chiefly by anger and alcohol, guns make killing easy, an almost remote act."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0308290165aug29,1,6850000.story?coll=chi-newsopinion-hed

[Pert_UK]

28. Beautiful quote.....

And worth remembering.

The trouble is that the US is working "backwards" in effect.

If you started from a position of no guns and then only gave guns to people who'd be rigourously checked, they'd be less of a problem. As it stands, you're starting from a situation where a significant minority who shouldn't have guns, do have them.

Basically, irresponsible gun owners spoil it for responsible gun owners. Sometimes honest, law-abiding people have to face restrictions purely because irresponsible people abuse a privilege - for example, in some towns in the UK you cannot drink alcohol in a public outdoor place due to the number of drunken louts. That means I can't have a bottle of wine with my picnic in the park. It's an unfair restriction on me and punishes me for something someone else has done, but it's the only way to prevent the park being disrupted by drunken hooliganism so it has to happen.

[jody]

29. Pert_UK, your example of wine in a public park can be the first step in

curbing or banning both priviledges and rights of law abiding citizens ending in abject surrender to the criminal element.

I'm curious, did the ban on alcoholic beverages in the public park eliminate all drinking in the park or did it just cause the law abiding element to stop drinking?

[MrBenchley]

30. Thanks.

"Sometimes honest, law-abiding people have to face restrictions purely because irresponsible people abuse a privilege"
True, and a necessary part of civilization.