"Man Shot After Gun Accidentally Discharges"

[Pert_UK]

Hey, I guess we were all wrong. Guns ARE dangerous by themselves - after all, the article clearly indicates that the gun accidentally discharged (rather than that the gun was discharged accidentally)! Would it not have been more accurate to entitle the article, "Man Accidentally Shoots Self"? Or indeed, "Twat Accidentally Shoots Self"?

"DAYTON, Ohio -- A 22-year-old Dayton man was treated at Good Samaritan Hospital after police said he accidentally shot himself.

Officers said Jeffrey Wagner told them he was at a friend's house on Norman Avenue on Monday night when he was showing a friend his gun.

Wagner said he put the gun back in his waistband when it accidentally discharged, firing a bullet into his right leg."

http://www.whiotv.com/news/4047624/detail.html

He sure was a whole lot safer having armed himself, eh?

[cornermouse]

1. "put the gun back in his waistband"

None too bright, there...

[Retired AF Dem]

2. Hmmmm

finger on trigger when placing into waist band?

[benburch]

3. Safety OFF nt

[Retired AF Dem]

4. safety on or not

always keep finger off the trigger, the biggest cause of "accidental" shootings.

[benburch]

5. And the hammer!

Remember you can fire a revolver by "fanning" the hammer.

[benEzra]

7. It could be worse...

I read of a police officer recently who shot himself TWICE while reholstering with his finger on the trigger. After he shot himself the first time, he got really flustered and tried to jam the gun in the holster so he could attend to his leg wound. His finger was still on the trigger, and fired the gun again...

The proper reholstering technique, of course, is finger OFF the trigger and OUTSIDE THE TRIGGER GUARD when reholstering. And keep the gun pointed in a safe direction; it should be pointing at the floor when reholstering, not at you...

And stuffing a gun in your waistband is even worse...

[Retired AF Dem]

17. If you fan a revolver without pulling the trigger

the hammer will stay in the locked position. The trigger has to be held back to fan it.

[slackmaster]

18. No modern revolver will fire that way

Unless it is very broken.

[Billy Ruffian]

19. getting a bit off topic

and not having *any* revolvers (1911 style, John Browning RULES ;-) )

would a SAA revolver or other 'cowboy' single action revolvers work this way?

[slackmaster]

22. SA revolvers will not fire that way

Not any I've ever seen. Maybe very old ones, I don't know. I don't believe any gun maker would make something that can be fired without operating the trigger.

[benEzra]

23. I believe that only works if the trigger is held to the rear...

so even cowboy-style "fanning" does require a pull of the trigger (it's just a continuous pull). If the trigger is not depressed, the hammer will stay back just as if you had cocked the revolver with your thumb.

Oops--AF Dem beat me to it...sorry...

[slackmaster]

11. Plus a round in the chamber and hammer cocked

:eyes:

I'll bet an Imperial pint of Guinness Stout there was alcohol involved.

:beer:

[benEzra]

24. "Here, hold my beer a minute..."

a phrase that is usually a bad omen...

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[iverglas]

10. ah, those lessons of history

"most of us on this side of the Pond don't care much - or really, at all - what subjects of The Crown think"

It's so sad that -- despite the best efforts of several people to teach you and your numerous ilk such simple lessons as they are (in both history and manners) -- you are still so mired in that 18th century.

I'm sure it's fascinating that you don't care what "subjects of The Crown" think. Is there some reason you're telling us this here and now?

Oh well, I guess you're just a better man than I am, Gunga Din, since (I assume) you know what you're talking about, and I don't have a clue.

Hmm. Kipling. The guy whose work a certain imperialist G.W.Bush and all his, er, constituents might have been well-advised to read before girding up and sallying off into a certain mountainous and notoriously ungovernable distant region of the earth?

The Man Who Would Be King indeed, eh?

HAHAHAHAHA!

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[iverglas]

16. congrats

"I meant every word of it."

The only aspect of that statement that interests me is the bizarreness of the claim to mean something that is meaningless.

But you go right ahead and babble on about "subjects of The Crown" and whatever opinions you might have about them, and perhaps if any of them happen by here they'll find your remarks more interesting than I did. When the remarks in question were composed, you were evidently speaking to/about some imaginary friends, for reasons known only to yourself; but far be it from me to suggest that this makes you look silly. Why, that would be rude.

[Pert_UK]

21. Heh heh heh.........

Never mind attacking someone's actual point of view - let's dismiss their ideas out of hand purely because they come from somewhere furrin.

Glad to see that TTJ is adopting his President's "fingers in the ears NA NA NA NA NA NA!" approach to issues that has served the US so well in recent international events......."most of us on this side of the Pond don't care much - or really, at all - what worshippers of Allah think...."

[aikoaiko]

8. Mechanical failure is possible....

...but unlikely in most cases. I have to agree with the others that it sounds like his finger or something else (strap, part of clothing) pushed the trigger.

Sometimes people accidental discharges what I would call negligent discharge (operator error without intent on firing).

[skippythwndrdog]

9. It appears to be a case of the dumbass.

I would surmise that said dumbass was likely not using a holster. I would also believe that either the finger of the previously mentioned dumbass was on the trigger, or the shirttail of the aforementioned dumbass got caught in the trigger-guard. The dumbass referenced supra learned a valuable lesson.

[Wickerman]

12. I'm glad the dumbass shot hisself

rather than the dog at his feet. Well, if he were in KY he woulda had a dog...

[RoeBear]

14. Twat!?!

That must be English slang for something other than what I am familiar with.

[slackmaster]

15. Yes, I thought Brits called people "twits"

FYI Pert - Twat in the USA is a vulgar term for female genitalia.

[Pert_UK]

20. That's what it is in the UK too....however......

it's mainly used as an abusive term to refer to somebody who is, or who has done, something stupid.

It is nowhere near as strong as the "C" word (or even the "F" word) but you wouldn't want to use it in front of the vicar........

One might, for example, say, "I accidentally washed my jeans with a $50 bill in the pocket.....I'm such a twat!"

We hardly ever refer to a woman's fanjita/front bottom using the word "twat" in the UK, but that it is where it comes from.