Israeli soldiers... tanks... outside the northern Gaza Strip

[idontwantaname]

sraeli soldiers prepare tanks in position at a staging area near Kibbutz Mafalsim, just outside the northern Gaza Strip, Monday Sept. 26, 2005.

check the weblink below for the image.

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050926/480/jrl10609261107&g=events/wl/080601mideast;_ylt=AliL.d_U2GXradeux6atAccUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3bGk2OHYzBHNlYwN0bXA-


IMAGINE:

you live in a refugee camp, and these guys came and occupy your hometown (anywhere, doesnt matter)... they destroy buildings... homes... families... roads... set up checkpoints... and treat YOU like youre a terrorist (even if youre not).

this is your life. what would you do?

[wtmusic]

1. It's called a "self-fulfilling prophecy"

the Israelis bombed "suspected weapons factories" in Gaza yesterday. Wonder how many suspected children were suspectedly killed.

[tatertop]

3. It's just Sharon showing his true stripes (you expected different?)

[tatertop]

2. I noticed they been killing up Palestinians left and right, as well

Sharon cannot help but show his true stripes.

[wtmusic]

4. He misses the old days in Beirut

You can take the criminal out of the war, but...

[tatertop]

6. Ahhhhh... he refers to those as the days of wine and roses

[maxsolomon]

5. i would fire rockets at them after they withdraw from my territory

"thank you lord, for the healing gift of religion" - bill hicks, RIP

[tatertop]

7. I haven't thought of Bill Hicks in years.

He wrote some funny, funny stuff.

[SlipperySlope]

8. What would you do?

this is your life. what would you do?

Ask the question "what have I been doing", and then ask if it has been working for me?

If I'm happy with the results of what I have already been doing, then I would continue doing it.

If I'm not happy with those results, then I would look for something new to try.

[barb162]

9. The story seems to needs a first paragraph explaining why the

soldiers are there.

Perhaps something on this order would add clarity: Hamas militants fired at least three dozen Qassam rockets into Israel, wounding at least five civilians.

If those rockets had not been fired, the soldiers would not be there.

[idontwantaname]

10. this post was a dumb idea...

so im requesting the mods delete or lock it.

and now we wait...

[barb162]

11. when the violence escalated as fast as it did these past few

days, people just get really upset, react....

[pelsar]

12. what would i do?...

hmmm after the soldiers left...I WOULD NOT SHOOT AT THEM!!!!!!!!!

i would pick up the pieces of my life and start making something of for my kids...what i wouldnt do...


IS SEND 40 MISSLES OVER THE BORDER....

if the palestenain society cant take care of itself then they had better invite somebody who can....somebody who will preven the certain palestenians from shooting MORE MISSLES over the border!!!!!

[barb162]

13. And after the soldiers left, plans for rebuilding should have started

right away. Very fast. The plans were there, in place, etc. from things I have read. Missiles were not the answer.

[idontwantaname]

14. hey now...

what im hearing you say is you would prefer a strong arm like saddam unite palestine?...


ps- based purely on assumption i would say the ones firing rockets into israel probably dont have kids... they may not even have the home they grew up in... and maybe... just maybe have lost dear friends or family members (both?) to the israeli army and dont really feel theres much of a future or place in society for themselves. theres a lot of built up anger, hatred and frustration which israel uses as springboard to punish the palestinian society collectively.

[barb162]

15. Gandhi

peace and prosperity,

Martin Luther King

someone with a lot of brains and some amount of charisma to get people motivated in a positive fashion

[maxsolomon]

16. that person does not exist

among the palestinians.

at some point, such a leader may have existed, but circumstances have elimitated their possibility.

[barb162]

17. That may be, but there still must be those with a "vision"

who prefer peace and prosperity and a two-state solution versus endless violence. Maybe more a M.L. King.

[idontwantaname]

18. Dr. Mustafa Barghouthi...

he ran in the last election where abbas was elected.

http://electronicintifada.net/bytopic/people/336.shtml

check him out... he is very much like the present day palestinian version of ghandi.

he also is part of the website: www.palestinemonitor.org

[pelsar]

19. no excuse.......

israel is not in gaza.....we're not their psychaitrists nor are we they're therapists.....they shoot at us...whether they have kids or not, whether they have a home or not... it has no bearing on the situation.

they have no rigth to be shootiing missles across the border...and if they do we have every right to respond 10x.

we arent using any "spring board in gaza to do anything....we are not there anymore......whatever the palestenian society does is the responsability of the palestenian society....not ours..

they're frustrated?...they feel lost?..hatred....they best find a different outlet then shooting at israel...its a pretty dumb way to vent your frustration....i sure dont have to be killed for their problems.

[idontwantaname]

20. i dont excuse their activities...

just giving a bit of insight to those who dont have a voice on DU.




i could easily hear a angry young man in gaza(who was NOT ivolved with hamas) say "they have no rigth to be shootiing missles across the border...and if they do we have every right to respond 10x."

[pelsar]

21. he can be as angry as he wants to be....

but it pretty obvious now who is initiating the shooting and who is responding...we left..gone..not there any more.....dont want to go back....no reason to shoot at anybody.....

it is they who are now shooting at us....why?.....i really dont know.....but i really dont believe we have to play their game of shooting....cease fire...shooting cease fire

to me it clear as day.....if they shoot at us, we should respond 10x or 100x......they have no reason to be shooting at us...i dont care how mad anybody is over there. They have a lot of work to do..a society to build, they shouldnt be wasting energy on a non existant enemy

nor is there anything to defend with their shooting....violence for the sake of violence or for political gain is not a reason.....

nor do we have to sit quietly in our shelters while they shoot at us....they are now the problem..it is they that are "disturbing the peace"...not us....they are initiating the shooting....not us....it is not reasonable to defend the indefensable....and their shooting at us 40 missles is indefensable.

[idontwantaname]

22. crimes...

many crimes over many years were committed against palestinian refugees living in gaza...
you think israel simply leaving is going to make them feel better?

you think just because israel left 2 weeks ago things should be forgotten?

you may try and seperate gaza as much as you want but dont forget the palestinians know whats going on. every time the IDF invades the west bank palestinians in gaza know. they know what goes on in balata... they know what happens in bil'in... they know qalquilia is still surrounded by the wall... and just because the land is not connected does not mean they are not connected.

[pelsar]

23. nor do i forget..

but if when we leave gaza and the response is 40 missles....whats going to happen when we leave the west bank....1000 missles?

if the palestenains cant start making something positive out of gaza....not much is going to move anywhere else.

so they're angry...big deal...so am i...we just got 40 missiles raining down on our cities AFTER we pulled out..they have no monoply on anger or violence...best they get over it and try to make something out of gaza

they have to start sometime in making a society thats not based on hating us...were not there anymore, its time to start....

if they want to remember how horrible we are, let them make museums...write books, make plays...put it into their history....shooting at us may make them feel better...but its a pretty dumb therapy.....

[idontwantaname]

24. relations...

tell me if i am crazy but do you think israel would ever help fund and reconstruct gaza with the PAs supervision?

if israels construction in the westbank has shown us anything its israel can built anything anywhere... i think rebuilting gaza with the resources going on in the west bank would be a good gesture.

pulling the plug on one settlement project so you can devote more energy to another isnt quite the good gesture many are looking for.

[pelsar]

25. its been discussed....

your not crazy....in fact some of the settlers from gaza have mentioned that they would be happy to work in gaza...continue their business with the palestenains (they employed quite a few palestenains...)

it wouldnt take much....just some confidence.......our own peace lies through gaza...the better off they are, the more affluent, the more successful the better off we'll all be....they are the key.

their success would be linked not just israeli markets but construction and development companies as well and we all know it....israelis would "flock there".......we just need the shooting to stop.....

[idontwantaname]

26. and education...

"I will bring her attention to talk about the what Israeli Army does and not the Jews."

http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/2005/09/26/beirut-no-gaza/

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for many young palestinians the only interaction with israelis or jews is through the IDF... because of this they do not know the difference between being jewish and being from israel... much the same some folks cant tell the difference between japanese and chinese culture, food or people...

details like these are important.

[undergroundrailroad]

27. Locking at the request of the author.

Locking.

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