Arab woman eyes Foreign Service

[eyl]

Rania Jubran, a 26 year-old lawyer from Haifa, is about to make history and become the first Israeli-Arab ever to be accepted to the prestigious Foreign Ministry cadet training course.

Jubran successfully passed a rigorous series of tests and evaluations and is due to start the course this coming April. If she completes her training, she will be the first Arab diplomat to be admitted to the Foreign Service through the course, Israel's leading newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth reported Wednesday.

The Foreign Ministry refused to confirm the report.

Jubran is a member of one of the most renowned, respected and pioneering families in the Arab community in Israel. Her father, High Court of Justice Judge Salim Jubran, was the first Arab to ever serve in that capacity in the country, while her brother, Attorney Assad Jubran, was the first flight attendant to work for the national airline El Al and was later appointed first Arab director at the Israeli Electric Company.

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[Wetzelbill]

1. wow, good for her nt

[pelsar]

2. really ruins the ....

israel is an apartheid state narration....israeli arabs have no 'rights" narration...etc...

[Wordie]

3. Doesn't the question become why is this such a remarkable rarity?n/t

[bemildred]

4. Made me think of Jackie Robinson, dunno why, just popped up. nt

[pelsar]

5. its remarkable...

in that its barley news in israel......hardly "special"...only for those who think israel is some kind of apartheid country...for those who know better its simply one more sign of increased integration thats been happening since israels founding.....reguardless what others hope for or fantasy over.

[Englander]

6. Tell it to the US State Department.

U.S.: Discrimination, corruption in Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x118463

[eyl]

7. He didn't say their wasn't discrimination

he said there wasn't apartheid. They're not the same thing, you know...

[Englander]

8. The premise was an absurd strawman.

Namely that an absurd exaggeration of the criticisms of the discrimination
was offered, I merely suggested that it should be told to the Us State Dept.

From that report;
(there is)
--institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against the country's Arab citizens--

[eyl]

11. Then you should have made itt clear

you didn't think there was apartheid or posted it as a reply to the OP rather than pelsar's comment.

[Englander]

24. I didn't write that, I didn't write that there's not apartheid.

Why does it have to be b/w? Why does the level of criticism of the discrimination
of the GoI's apartheid-lite policies have to be defined as extremes? Obviously any
suggestion that there isn't apartheid-lite policies, or that Isreal's an 'apartheid
state', aren't objective views, they're not serious comment, imo. You've gone from
one strawman to another, you've provided another inaccurate description of the stated
views.

[eyl]

27. Because 'apartheid'

is a specific term regarding a specific type of system. And those who bring up that accusation either actually believe is - in which case their dead wrong - or are doing so to be inflammatory. And your description of "apartheid-lite" is similiar.

[Englander]

30. False definition, flawed logic, false analysis, ad hominem. n/t

[pelsar]

31. define apartheid.....

are you using the definition of the word..or just making up something so that israel can be compared to a racist state (evil israel)

[eyl]

33. I see

so explain please, the difference between "apartheid-lite" and plain old discrimination.

[pelsar]

15. really? see post 13

..who seems to be implying that israel does have apartheid policies...

and my opinion of such....remain as i have written

[Englander]

21. The premise was absurd.

It's also changed;

Version no. 1;
--really ruins the ....israel is an apartheid state narration....israeli arabs have no 'rights" narration...etc..--

Version no .2;
--who seems to be implying that israel does have apartheid policies...--

Can you spot the difference?

[Violet_Crumble]

9. Considering apartheid wasn't mentioned anywhere in this thread till then.,

I'm not at all sure why pelsar brought it up. Me, I found it a bit strange that he said it was hardly 'special', when the reality is that this is a great achievement that will hopefully pave the way for more Israeli Arabs to enter the Foreign Ministry...

Violet...

[eyl]

10. Probably because there have been several threads

accusing Israel of apartheid recently?

[pelsar]

12. lots of threads....

accusing israel of apartheid....so it comes to mind when i go shopping and see israeli arabs around shopping with me....and when i read about an israeli arab moving up in the political heirarchy, it makes me feel good (but its not a great achievment....its normalization,)..and then i remember the countless accusations here.... and wonder about such willful ignorence and hatred

[Englander]

22. Olmert spells it out;

'>snip

Relative to Sharon's 2003 campaign, and even to Sharon's stance in November, Olmert is a model of candor. In his interview in today's Jerusalem Post, Olmert pledges to "get to Israel's permanent borders, whereby we will completely separate from the majority of the Palestinian population and preserve a large and stable Jewish majority in Israel."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1139395572564&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[eyl]

26. Yeah, it's called the two state solution n/t

[Englander]

29. "Separate" = "Apartness".

Bantustans = not a State.

[pelsar]

16. see post 13....

which is why i brought it up...seems facts never get in the way of a "good narration"

[Violet_Crumble]

20. You brought it up in post #2...

Since when has 13 come before 2?


Violet....

[Behind the Aegis]

23. 13 before 2...

Pelsar said: "really ruins the .... israel is an apartheid state narration....israeli arabs have no 'rights" narration...etc... "

His comments were in response to the OP. He didn't say that the author, OP, or others in the thread (at that point) had accused Israel of apartheid.

However, another poster came along and said: Tell it to the US State Department. This poster 'confused' apartheid with general discrimination, then "back-peddled" when proved that the assertion was incorrect.

That brings us to your response to Pelsar's response to the "back-peddling" response. So, why did post #2 come before post #13? Either Pelsar is a precognitive (psychic) or he simply knew that several posters here have no issue with erroneously comparing Israel with the apartheid of South Africa.

IMO, I a guessing Pelsar knew that the comparison would be made based on prior posts as opposed to him being psychic.

This is yet another example of "good news from Israel" pissed on because it is Israel. An Arab woman achieves what no Jewish woman (hell, an Arab woman) could in most, if not all Arab nations, is met with attacks on Israel as a nation.

This is how "13 came before 2."

[Violet_Crumble]

25. No-one had mentioned apartheid before pelsar did...

Which is what you appear to be confirming, and what I've been pointing out the whole time....

As for any crap about pre-emption, I think it's incredibly lame, and seeing you have no problem with it in this instance, you wouldn't have any problem with anyone pre-emptively doing the same and bringing up the bigotry against Muslims based on prior posts?

btw, why on earth would anyone bring up apartheid in the first place when this article is about an Israeli citizen in Israel and the very legitimate comparisons to apartheid are when it comes to Israel in the Occupied Territories?

Violet...

[eyl]

28. There weren't

accusations of apartheid on this thread at the time pelsar made that post; but there were such accusation in other threads on the front page at that time (e.g. this one. And as you well know, there are any number of posters here who accuse Israel of apartheid vis-a-vis its treatment of its Arab citizens (leaving aside whether apartheid is an accurate terms for the system in the Territories, a discussion I'd really rather not start at the moment).

[pelsar]

32. since i knew it was coming....

and i didnt have to wait long now did I?

and as was written...somehow good news from israel just had to "pissed on".....that too remains unacceptable in these parts.

[Tom Joad]

13. No, it does not.

The fortunes of one woman does not change that.
The old South Africa police had Black African officers.

[martymar64]

34. Can you say "Token"?

Just like Condi

[Tom Joad]

14. George Bush loves Black people. Look at Condi!

Others tend to look at the big picture and come to a very different conclusion.

[pelsar]

17. and some..

dont seem to know the "big picture".....but then i only live here, what would i know.

[Tom Joad]

18. I talked to whites in south africa and they said things were just

fine, no need to change.

Your "here" is mighty different than where millions of others sit. They know where things are going.
You have settlements with fancy swimming pools with water taken from Palestinian farmers, why should you call it anything but a fine system?

[pelsar]

19. my here....

is all over....but thats not the point..your definition of apartheid is simply raping the word.

or would you please explain what color, genetic characteristics of certain arabs that have such things as restricted movement in israel etc......

or are you going to attempt to convert a nationality to a genetic definition?