Three 'ready-to-use' explosive belts discovered in E. Jerusalem

[drdon326]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1063440747744

Security forces thwarted three suicide bomb attacks on Israelis after finding three 'ready-to-use' explosive belts hidden inside a washing machine in a butcher's shop in the East Jerusalem village of Al Azzariya north-east of Bethlehem.

Border Police sappers blew up the belts that contained 20 to 30 kilograms of explosives, nails and metal balls.

Palestinians also fired two mortars at an IDF position near the Jewish settlement of Morag in the southern Gaza Strip Saturday afternoon. There were no injuries in the attack and no damage was caused. Palestinians also shot light weapons fire at an IDF position near Rafiah close to the Egyptian border. Soldiers returned fire, and no casualties were reported on either side.

Meanwhile security forces remain on high alert throughout the country due to warnings of plans by terrorists to perpetrate attacks.

The information that led the Border Police to find the three explosives belts, to be used by suicide bombers, was supplied by several Palestinians who were detained in the past few days by the General Security Service (Shabak).

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tsk,tsk,tsk....first ambulances....now washing machines.

[rini]

1. You forgot to put the blame where

it belongs, squarely on the back of the Israelis for daring to exist.

[Resistance]

2. in other news

Israeli arms to imbalance region, says Kasuri

Sept 10: Pakistani Foreign Minister Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri warned on Wednesday that Israel's sale of weapons to India could disturb the balance of power in South Asia.

Mr Kasuri made the comment here while to invite Bangladesh to a regional summit in Pakistan, as Prime Minister Ariel Sharon visited India with a delegation that included Israeli arms dealers.

[StandWatie]

3. don't interupt the cult of the suicide bomber

it's serious business and when the ritual explosion doesn't happen and there is no blown apart bus to look at and charred bodies to be replayed on an endless loop for the ten-minute hate you have to soberly consider the belts the IDF "found" and what a good job they are doing.

[Gimel]

9. Found by Palestinians

Israel TV report has Palestinians expaining the find, speaking in English and Hebrew. They noticed the washing machine, looked inside and called the police. Of course it's dangerous to have explosives sitting around, anywhere.

On edit: The machine was to be delivered the to an Israeli Jewish family. They have threatened recently to start attacking homes.

[StandWatie]

11. that contradicts the JPost story

this doesn't suprise me.

[drdon326]

4. Great typical threadjacking attempt.

so sad.

[Resistance]

5. since Israel is the aggressor

would you suggest sending in some international forces to search for the weapons which Israel intends to "perpetrate attacks" with?

[drdon326]

6. LOL

As soon as YOU "dismantle" the palestinian murderous
terrorists.

NOW...try sticking to the topic of terrorists hiding
suicide belts in washing machines and ambulances.

I know you can do it.

[Resistance]

7. I am for an international peacekeeping force in the region

so is the P.A. and Arafat, who has called numerous times on international mediation; furthermore, world opinion and the opinion of human rights groups falls mostly on this side. It is only the US and Israel who opposes these measures - now why is that? And do you, I assume, oppose it as well?

[drdon326]

8. You just can't stick to the thread ,can you??

I'll try again and i'll talk slowly.

what is your opinion of palestinian murderers hiding
suicide belts in washing machines and ambulances in order
to kill innocents jews like what happened on Aug 19th??

[Resistance]

10. in one ear, out the other

good old Drdon.

[drdon326]

14. Please, please, please.

oh resistance....please answer the question.

dont be afaid....i want your insightfull (and i do
mean FULL) opinion.

[Resistance]

15. I've answered that question plenty of times

I am against Palestinian murderers and suicide attackers and I don't condone their actions.

Now, it's your turn - what is your opinion of Israeli murderers who slam missiles into crowds of civilians and gun down peace activists, children, and anyone else who gets in the way of the Israeli aggressive war agenda?

[drdon326]

19. Thank you for answering.

I Totally reject the premise of your question.

As usual your confusing terrorism with counter-terrorism.
Israel TARGETS TERRORISTS and unfortunately during this guerilla
war when hamas et al hide amoung the population there sadly will be
casualties.

Its a free forum and as i told you , you can call israelis
"terrorists" and "murderers" until you orgasm......but that
doent make it true.

btw....the next time they blow up a bus or cafe , im expecting
a resounding DENUNCIATION from you.

[Darranar]

20. "Israel TARGETS TERRORISTS"...

except when it doesn't, like when it builds walls and settlements on their land and blows up their apartment buildings and houses. not to mention when it cuts down trees and destroys olive fields.

By the way, Resistance condemned the bus bombing on DU - I'll find the thread for you, if you want.

[drdon326]

23. Does Resistance pay you for this ??

Sorry you dont like the wall.....Lord knows we dont want
to inconvience those mischievious little tykes called
hamas and al-aqsa.

[Darranar]

25. No, he doesn't...

I don't take bribes, unlike PM Sharon.

Since when are the Palestinians synonomous with Hamas and al-Aqsa?

[drdon326]

29. Believe me....you deserve it.

I call palestinians that bomb....

busses
cafes
social clubs
pizzerias
discos
universities
weddings
grocery stores
malls

as terrorists.....yes.

[Darranar]

32. Well, I call them terrorists, too...

but that does not include all Palestinians - only those ones. The wall inconvieniences many palestinians that aren't terrorists - and that's an understatement.

[drdon326]

34. Awww-righty then.

So the choice is:

PALESTINIAN INCONVENIENCE VS. STOPPING MURDEROUS TERRORISTS

Hmmmmmmm........

[Darranar]

48. PALESTINAIN STARVATION AND ANNEXATION OF STOLEN LAND...

versus supposedly stopping murderous terrorists, you mean.

[rini]

43. Your question

can't be answered because it may imply some guilt on the heads of the murderers.

[Gimel]

12. Int'l observers find wahingmachine with explosives hidden

Imagine the story. Palestinians call in the observers to investigate the machine. The observers pass the machine to the Israelis and by that time the bombs explode.

No "observers" are needed. What is needed is an end to the terror groups planting bombs.

[Resistance]

13. do you call for an end to Israel's terrorist attacks?

[Gimel]

16. No such attacks

It is a war on terror. Israel targets armed terrorists and the leaders who recruit and organize the attackers.

As long as Hamas and Islamic Jihad are targeting civilians, with the nod from Arafat, the IDF must destroy their organizations.

[Resistance]

17. so you defend the terrorist attacks

as only a "war on terror".

Thanks for the input.

Firing a missile into a crowd of civilians = dead and injured innocent people.

Exploding a bomb belt in a crowd of civilians = dead and injured innocent people.

Both are terrorist war crimes against humanity.

[The Magistrate]

51. Again, Mr. Resistance

In your first example, the result also generally includes several actual combatants; leading elements of an irregular armed body, and their guards.

In your second example, the result generally does not include any combatant personnel.

This does make the actions somewhat different in character. There is no good served by denying it. The Israeli equivalent of the demolitions of Hamas is not aiming missiles at a Hamas leader, but would be to loose several missiles randomly towards blocks of flats or market squares. That does not occur, and you know it does not.

[Darranar]

18. "A war on terror..."

it is, just like the "war on terror" in Afghanistan that devestated the country.

Wars on terror run by right-wing nuts are often terrorist acts themselves.

[Gimel]

21. No end

Once the aggressor acts, a reaction occurs. No doubt about it. Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is much kinder than the US blitz of Afghanistan.

[StandWatie]

22. yeah, but they want the place

The only country I can come up with that more savagely attacked civilian cities than Israel did in Lebanon would be the Russian siege of Grozny. I don't think it has anything to do with Israel's sentimentality for Palestinians.

[Gimel]

26. Grozny

this was a pogrom that you are talking about, many of which occurred. Against Jews. If Lebanon was "savagely" atttacked, guess you're discussing the massacres in the camps, again. That was done by the Christian Philangists, not the Israelis.

[StandWatie]

30. no, I'm just talking about bombing Beirut

and I'm not talking about a pogram directed against Jews, I was talking about when Yeltsin rung artilery around the city and flattened the place.

[Gimel]

36. bombing Beirut

While socialites were sitting in cafes. It wasn't much at all. Even Arafat escaped.

[StandWatie]

37. Operation Accountability?

You are joking, right?

[Aidoneus]

49. 30,000 casualties,

and it's "not much at all".. if those weren't Arabs, and it was 30,000 Jews being hit with cluster bombs, rockets, regular bombs artillery and other such niceties..

Israeli policy in Lebanon was totally vindictive, sadistic and destructive and not just "not much at all". Villages in the South all throughout the 80s and 90s were bombed indescriminately, places like Jibsheet & Nabatiyah--villages of 50,000-80,000 people!--were 50-80% damaged on multiple occasions, hundreds of thousands of refugees flooding South Beirut on multiple occasions (who were then bombed again, of course)... "not much at all"! You really, really don't know what you're talking about here..

About the only comperable or worse level of sadistic destruction post-WWII I can think of is Groznyy (destroyed twice in a massacre of thousands, as StandWatie suggests).

[Resistance]

50. might I suggest

Pity the Nation: The Abduction of Lebanon
by Robert Fisk

"He is a devastating witness to the failure of politics to guard mankind against itself."
--Sunday Times (UK)

"Robert Fisk is one of the outstanding reporters of this generation. As a war correspondent he is unrivalled."
--Financial Times


"One is left in awe at... industry, commitment and courage in reporting the ugliest of the world's current conflicts: wonder, too, that Fisk can still write with sanity after witnessing such inhumanity."
--Literary Review

"Pity the Nation remains the defining history of the Lebanese conflict."
--Nick Greenslade, In These Times

[The Magistrate]

52. Messers Watie And Aidoneus Are Correct, Ma'am

The bombardment of Beirut was an outrage, and in my view amounted to a serious war crime. That somew neighborhoods were spared does not alter this. The shelling and air attacks were aimed without discrimination at the quarter of the city housing Arab Palestinians, and civilians bore far and away the brunt of the carnage inflicted.

[Darranar]

24. Let's compare...

Did the US build walls on the land of Afghans? No.

Did the US send settlers to Afghanistan to build settlements on stolen land? No.

I fail to see your point.

[Gimel]

27. Peaceful actions

We were talking about devistating a country. Israel is not devistating by building a wall or by supporting settlements. Those are constructive acts.

[Darranar]

31. They aren't, are they?

in the contruction of both of those things you mention, Israel has destroyed Palestinian farmland.

The wall, of course, is only ruining hundreds of thousands of Palestinian lives; it is not devestating anything! Perish the thought.

[Gimel]

41. relatively speaking

How many Israelis are affected by one terror attack? Is that ever documented? Where are the international observers? The Human Rights groups?

[Resistance]

46. Human Rights Watch

172 page report on suicide bombing attacks against Israeli civilians

The arguments put forward to justify or excuse suicide bombings and other Palestinian attacks on civilians are without foundation. Those who articulate them either fail to understand or have decided to ignore their obligations under international humanitarian law. There can be no doubt that such attacks are grave crimes. In most, if not all cases, they are crimes against humanity. International law defines those who perpetrate these atrocities as criminals. So are those who incite, plan, and assist them. They should be brought to justice.

In this report, Human Rights Watch examines the nature and consequences-the human toll-of the suicide bombings and other attacks on civilians, reviews the relevant international humanitarian law standards and the obligations they impose, and describes the nature, structure, and objectives of the Palestinian armed groups that have carried out these attacks. As indicated, we also examine the role of the Palestinian Authority, including President Arafat.

We include specific recommendations on the steps to be taken, without delay or equivocation, to end attacks on civilians. We call on the PA and Palestinian armed groups to end all suicide attacks against civilians and to abide by the principles of international human rights and humanitarian law. We also urge Israel to ensure that all measures to prevent or respond to suicide or other attacks against civilians conform to international humanitarian and human rights law. We call on the respective parties' international supporters to endorse these recommendations and try to enforce them, so as to help bring an end to the attacks that have cruelly claimed civilian lives and the impunity that allows these attacks to continue.

[LastDemInIdaho]

28. Israel does not perform terror attacks

Defensive missions against terrorist with collateral damage is not a terror attack. If Israel targeted innocents I would call for an end to it.

[Resistance]

33. wrong.

Firing a missile into a crowd of civilians = dead and injured innocent people.

Exploding a bomb belt in a crowd of civilians = dead and injured innocent people.

Both are terrorist war crimes against humanity.

[LastDemInIdaho]

38. Now tell me the intended purpose of each act

bomb belt == targeting innocents
missile == targeting those that target innocents

If you refuse to admit that fact then good luck.

[Resistance]

44. who cares about any "intended purpose"?

You don't murder innocent people, then try to justify it with "well we were trying to get a member of Hamas" just like you don't murder an innocent bus-rider, and try to justify it with "well we were trying to teach a lesson to the Israeli aggressor". Do you not realize how you precisely prove how the cycle of violence continues? One side has an excuse to fire a missile into crowds of people, while the other side has an excuse to blow a bomb into a crowd of people. Do you seriously think that your excuse is so much better than the 'other side' that you therefore really are justified to engage in terrorist war crimes, while the other side isn't justified? Both sides claim they are justified and it goes on and on and on.

The fact remains that many Israeli missile strikes have been purely terrorist acts - and I don't care what excuse you have prepared for it. It is terrorism.

[StandWatie]

35. they pay the settlers to do that for them..

[LastDemInIdaho]

39. Cite please

Too much to ask?

[StandWatie]

42. sure..

After the rally ended the settlers and their visitors strolled back to Kiryat Arba or along silent, sunlit Al-Haram Street to the centre of Hebron. There was no sign of the 20,000 Arab inhabitants of the quarter. They were under strict Israeli curfew, forbidden to leave their homes.

Many of the locked and shuttered Arab houses on Al Haram street were sprayed with stars of David and Hebrew slogans calling for the extermination of Arabs. Local Palestinians say that when there is no curfew the settlers use their weekly mass march to the shrine to insult and assault Arabs in an attempt to drive them away.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/08/1038950271659.html

Today, settlers in the West Bank city of Hebron - always notorious for their fanatism and violent behaviour - made the funeral of one of their number, killed two days ago in a Palestinian ambush, into a pretext for a violent rampage and a wide-scale attack on the city's Palestinian inhabitants. Several houses were broken into and set on fire, fifteen Palestinians wounded, some of them severely, and a fourteen year old girl killed. Footage on the Israeli First Channel news showed exactly how it began: the funeral first proceeding quietly, then a bunch of settlers shouting: "Revenge! revenge! revenge!" whereupon the shooting started. Settler leader Moshe Ben-Zimra claimed that the settlers had acted "in self-defence" since the Palestinians had "intended to massacre them" - a bare-faced lie if ever there was one (some 4000 settlers armed to the teeth, protected by hundreds of soldiers in tanks and armoured cars, against Palestinians armed with stones only and held prisoners in their homes by a 24-hour curfew which was reintroduced for the occasion...). Neverthless, the settler version was broadcast for several minutes on the official Israeli TV , without the editors trying to give explicitly any other point of view.



"The IDF command and the cabinet minsters bear the full responsibility for the pogrom and murder perpetrated by the settlers in Hebron, under cover of the curfew. The killing of settlers elsewhere provides no justification, nor even a reasonable pretext, for a murderous random assault on Palestinians in Hebron, just as the killing of Palestinian children by the Israeli Army does not provide any kind of justification for suicide bombings aimed at random Israelis. It could have been easily predicted that the settler funeral will be followed by the assault of settlers upon the inhabitants of Hebron - but nothing was done, either by the army or the police and other - to stop it from taking place. The Government of Israel, which allowed the settlers to invade the heart of Hebron and allotted considerable military forces to the task of closely guarding the settlers, is directly responsible for the settlers' acts. A chief part in the responsibilityu rests upon Defence Minister Ben-Eliezer, the leader of the Labour Party." *** Internationals obstructed the army's efforts to demolish a house

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0207/S00123.htm

The settlements in Hebron are known to be havens for Israeli terrorists, the Israeli govenment subsidizes their rent, protects them from the IDF, and most importantly doesn't stop them from their attacks on Palestinians.

[drdon326]

40. Link please.

or is that some more jihadofascist propaganda you
got from EI??

[rini]

45. Please try, I know it's a stretch

to discuss how the Palestinians use ambulances to carry weapons and home appliances, to murder people?

[rini]

47. There's a

reliable non partisan source.