Pro-Israeli organization resorts to Right-wing blogger tactics

[plasticsundance]

Dear friends,

Many of us recognize the importance of the Internet as the new battleground for Israel’s image. It’s time to do it better, and coordinate our on-line efforts on behalf of Israel. An Israeli software company have developed a free, safe and useful tool for us - the Internet Megaphone.

Please go to www.giyus.org, download the Megaphone, and you will receive daily updates with instant links to important internet polls, problematic articles that require a talkback, etc.

We need 100,000 Megaphone users to make a difference. So, please distribute this mail to all Israel’s supporters.

Do it now. For Israel.

Amir Gissin
Director Public Affairs (Hasbara) Department

The Daily Background

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[Phx_Dem]

8. At least get the name right

it's Prosemite undercover. "wankers with too much time on their hands...." Interesting characterization Thomcat.

[Violet_Crumble]

11. Wankers with too much time on their hands sounds about right...

When I checked it out, it was chockers with links to bigoted sites and lots of obsessive hate towards DU and DUers they hate. Pretty pathetic, I reckon...

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[Violet_Crumble]

44. I said they were wankers with too much time on their hands...

I'm not sure why pointing out the wankinshness of the high intensity hatred displayed there mainly by long-tombstoned DUers bothers you so, but I think the description fits that sort of endevour very well. Learn to cope with the fact that many folk are turned off by that sort of hatred and bigotry...

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[Lexingtonian]

2. it's the Likudnik version of the Comintern

Par for the course, really. Slander, prevarication, and bullhorning the opposition.

These are people who honestly can't understand why the ancient Zealots failed, indeed helped bring about the Exile.

[msmcghee]

3. I find it amusing how many at DU somehow feel . .

. . that developing an internet presence to express the opinions of a particular segement of political views . . is somehow subversive. And that they express that view . . on an internet presence that was developed to express the opinions of a particular segement of political views.

What a wacky world this is.

BTW This enclosed message in the OP is nothing but a blog post from a far left website. Isn't that kind of against some rules here?

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[Violet_Crumble]

21. Tom never said that at all...

What he said was: 'views expressed on behalf of Israel policy are reactionary, racist, militarist.' Now, unless yr under the impression that every poster at DU who is "pro-Israeli" mindlessly agrees with all Israeli policy when it comes to the Occupied Territories, it's pretty clear to every man and his dog reading yr post that yr going on about something that was never said...

[Behind the Aegis]

23. "yr going on about something that was never said..."

That would be you. We both know what was said and implied.

[Violet_Crumble]

25. That's right. That's what yr doing...

btw, what I KNOW is that Tom didn't say or imply any such thing...

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[Englander]

28. Aye.

Views expressed that are unquestioningly supportive of the current Israeli admin are likely to be all
of the above, since the policy of the current Israeli admin is reactionary, racist, militarist &
unilaterialist in nature.

[plasticsundance]

36. Who said it was subversive?

It's an indicator that Israel wants to get its propaganda out on the Internet, because AIPAC already influences the US MSM. Israel fears the open discussion on the Internet. On one hand Israel tells us that global opinion is on their side, but on the other hand Israel states that everyone is against them. Can't have it both ways.

Here's a good video on how Manipulates US news on the question of the Palestinians.

Peace, Propaganda, and the Promise Land

I doubt that DUers have that kind of access.

[Fredda Weinberg]

4. And we use left wing blogger tactics

As someone who's been around since Usenet, I can tell you our side was slow to get online and we still don't have our shit together. And as a socialist, affiliated since childhood with socialist Zionist organizations, it's a hoot reading DUers trying to make this a political issue when for Israelis, defense is an existential question and one that unites parties along the entire spectrum.

[ThomCat]

5. I've always said

that when you combine hyper-nationalism with religion you're going to get unity that overlooks a vast amount of harm and bad policy. Either hyper-nationalism or religion alone will get people to support almost anything, but people will support absolutely anything.

[msmcghee]

6. Say what?

"Either hyper-nationalism or religion alone will get people to support almost anything, but people will support absolutely anything."

More words of insight and wisdom from the far left.

As I've always said, "People have more fun than just about anybody".

:eyes:

[Fredda Weinberg]

9. What does religion have to do with it? I'm an atheist

Again, it's a hoot to see others complain about our clannish behavior, then indulge in lumping themselves.

Jews tried assimilation - it got us the holocaust. Zionism is a reasonable response to an irrational world.

It's not hyper anything ... you're just not going to convince this child of a holocaust survivor that "American" is an identity.

[maalak]

10. how is this different than calls to "DU" a poll here?

you may not agree with their politics... but how is people organizing online somehow "right-wing"?

[Violet_Crumble]

12. Have you checked out Megaphone's forum?

There was some really nasty stuff on there about the Left, Muslims, Arabs, etc. It's definately not leftwing, that's for sure....

[maalak]

13. no, but that isn't the point... how is the tactic "right wing"?

and really, there's also been some fairly nasty stuff both here and on dailykos...

any large online community is going to have it's own share fringe of extreme views... i don't think it's necessarily fair to paint the entire community based on what could be a small group of the overall members.

[Violet_Crumble]

19. The tactic is used by right and left....

But the site itself and its content are definately right-wing...

btw, when extreme views like bigotry appear on DU, they're deleted and more often than not the member is banned. In the case of Megaphone, the bigoted threads were clearly acceptable to the people who run that place...

Personally I find the whole concept of a bunch of talking-point sheep being herded round the internet to be lame, no matter what the topic is. What I do find amusing is if it was a pro-Palestinian thing rather than some American pro-Israel thing, there'd be lots of bitching and carrying on about 'talking points' and trained monkeys etc :)

[maalak]

34. or it's not moderated.... the forums have 494 members there

i'm checking it out now:

http://forums.giyus.org/smf/

trying to compare DU and their message board is apples and oranges... you have considerably more moderators here, and more to the point a rigid & well-defined system of rules and the capacity to actually enforce them.

automatically assuming that they are "right-wing" or approve of bigotry because their forum doesn't have the same capacity for moderation and allows open registration is a seriously flawed conclusion.

[Violet_Crumble]

38. There's no excuse for bigotry...

How would you feel if someone came up with the excuse that a forum that contained antisemitism doesn't have the same capacity for moderation* and allows open registration? You'd be calling bullshit on it instead of making weak excuses....

It's not the bigotry that led to the conclusion that it's a right-wing mob - it's the actual group behind it. Pretending that this is in any way a left-wing thing is bizarre as there's nothing the slightest bit liberal or progressive about it...

* Having just popped over to take a look, I do notice that they do have a capacity for moderation, but only when it comes to posters they claim are 'antisemitic or anti-Zionist'. "Do not waste your time responding to anti-Semitic or anti-Zionist users. Just report them for deletion and banning. Thank you.' So what was it you were saying again about them not having the same capacity for moderation? And why would you think another board would need *the same* capacity as DU before having the capacity to remove bigoted posts?

[razors edge]

14. lipstick on a pig.

[Behind the Aegis]

15. So, what is the problem?

I really don't get the obsession some here have with this "news." How is this any different than DU? How many posts have we seen recently about boycotts and letter campaigns to Disney? How many emails do some of us get from Conyers, Dean, Kerry, and others requesting our "action" on one issue or another? Why is wanting people to defend Israel in on-line forums such an affront? Why has this new software such a "threat?"

[msmcghee]

16. Thanks to this thread informing me about this . .

. . I subscribed - just to see what it was all about.

I first went to their forum and posted a message that I disagreed with them about the cabin attandant who had the praying Jew removed from the airliner. I thought she was correct to do that.

Everybody on LBN pretty much hated me for that one too.

A couple of hours later I got my first top-secret Israeli "control-the-world" pop-up alert. I think it asked me to send a letter to someone about something - but I wasn't interested.

I guess Israel will not control the world quite as fast without my full on-call-at-any time assistance - but they'll just have to be patient. I'm busier than a grasshopper in the chicken coop over here.

[Violet_Crumble]

20. Great. I hope it gives you many hours of entertainment n/t

[maalak]

29. "control the world"?

I guess Israel will not control the world quite as fast without my full on-call-at-any time assistance

wow... normally one has to go to sites like Stormfront to hear Israel accused of world domination conspiracy theories...

[msmcghee]

32. maalak - I was being sarcastic.

I have noticed that many Israeli posters fail to "get" my sarcasm. I hate to put up that darned :sarcasm: icon as any comedian would hate to have tell his or her audience that "It's a joke - it's a joke".

(I suspect there is some interesting cultural / linguistic thing going on here that Choam Numbsky could write a good a paper about.)

In any case, let me put all Israeli posters at DU on notice to be on the lookout for sarcasm in any of my posts that seem not to make too much sense - i.e. if they appear to be anti-Israel, they are not - I'm joking.

Be warned however that I may post an actual anti-Israel post at some time. To reduce confusion I will include a "no-sarcasm" tag when that happens. However, in this atmosphere that's not too likely since I/P has become such an anti-Israeli place I am far more likely to be found defending the underdog.

[maalak]

33. yep, understood... got it on your 2nd post

what scares me tho is how many people might see it as serious and agree with you here.

[Violet_Crumble]

22. Since when is posting an article at DU an 'obsession'??

It isn't. Also, when this moronic Megaphone nonsense first found the light of day, I explained to you why defending Israel on-line the way it was done in the Megaphone forum and in another forum that was mentioned in this thread should insult any person with a shred of decency and a dislike of bigotry. And that reason's because of the bigotry evident and acceptable there. It's very possible to 'defend' Israel without having to go anywhere near bigotry, and personally I think the folk who wallow in the anti-arab/muslim bigotry at those places do much more harm than good...

[Behind the Aegis]

24. ???

"Since when is posting an article at DU an 'obsession'??" Did I say posting an article was an "obsession?" NOPE! I was talking about the TOPIC, which has been discussed here ad nauseum.

As for the rest of your rambling, the point here is that most of the pro-Israeli posters here are likely not members of the new system, but that doesn't stop the attacks here on pro-Israeli posters. We used to be called "freepers," now we are the "cyber soldiers." :eyes: I have been here for two fucking years...long BEFORE that system was created, as have several others. We don't need "alerts" to anti-Israeli crap.

[Violet_Crumble]

26. I've seen all of five or six threads at DU....

That's not obsession nor 'ad nauseum'...

This may come as a shock but pro-Palestinian posters also get called names. It's not something that only happens to one lot or the other...

[voter x]

42. I thought for a second you said

"I really don't get the obsession some here have with "jews."
:toast:
then realized where I was.


:nuke:

[msmcghee]

30. Violet Alert: I got my 2nd control-the-world pop-up this AM.

0515 hrs Pacific Time: This top-secret communique alerted me that the BBC had conducted an online poll asking if readers thought that holocaust denial should be illegal in England. The poll was pulled after a few days with no explanation.

The alert suggested that if I found that troubling - I could send the BBC my comments about that and provided the address of an editor to contact - a perfectly cunning plan in its boldness.

The poll results when pulled were 163,533 yes, 174,752 no. I didn't contact the BBC editor as suggested as I think this is something for the Brits to work out.

BTW Violet - I have done a pretty good search through their blog archives and can't find anything I'd call bigoted. Is it possible you meant to say pro-Israel?

In case anyone wants to double check me their secret members-only URL is http://blog.giyus.org/ (The code letters "giyus" refer to "Give Israel Your United Support")

PS - I hope Giyus doesn't find out that I am disclosing this top-secret info as I'm sure Mossad will be calling on me soon, so please don't tell anyone where you heard this. I'll keep you posted as events unfold - at least until I'm discovered.

[maalak]

31. oops :)

thought that was serious... sounded a lot like the earlier "Zionist world conspiracy" post. :)

[cracksquirrel]

35. Argh!

Come on now, we Jews are supposed to perpetuate the comedian steriotype, get your sar-cas-mo-tron adjusted ;)

[Violet_Crumble]

39. That sarcasm is pretty lame...

There's usually a point to good sarcasm and it's usually funny. The only bit in yr post that met that criteria was yr comment: 'BTW Violet - I have done a pretty good search through their blog archives and can't find anything I'd call bigoted. Is it possible you meant to say pro-Israel?' Now THAT was hilarious and I almost would have thought you were serious, but there's no need to visit the archives or spend more than a minute to find an example of it. If you'd been serious, I would have asked you exactly how this is 'pro-Israel'?

The problem with Islam is that it has managed to create a terrible relation between Allah and Muslims.

Their God makes Muslims submit. Plus with all of that procelitism and its superiority complex:

Alla came and gave the Tuarat to the Jews, then the Angil to the Christians,
and then came again with the Quaran to the Muslims in which he was correcting the mistakes
and it was the final version.

Hindus tend to Mistery
Buddhist to unboundness
Christians to prosperity
Jews to knowledge and values

Islam to hatred and wars Currently they are executing 125 wars around the world.

It must be forbiden for them to have a positive rate of growth.

The nuclear bomb will be needed to destroy Iran and change the rules of the game.


The US made a big mistake by handing the first Iranian reactor in Teheran.

September 12 should have been the end of Iran.

The Islamonazis must be exterminated in order for their planed victims to survive.

The rest of the silent muslims are always betting that their radical islamist team players will continue to fabricate lies that become self fulfilling prophecies as they continue to try to defeat the West.

I am disappointed of Europe. It did not lear the Holocaust lesson as it should have.

El baradei is pro Iran nuclear. And then he gets the Nobel price.

Koffi Anan is anti jew

Stoping the Lebanon war was a mistake.

The next war might reach the strategic level.

Consider the Hydra Punch. All in one punch.

All of Hamas must be outlowed and evaporated. It is a survival game that cannot be lost.

Ho Muslims why did you have to choose to become Hitlers? Why are your muftis and Allatollas
so unspiritual and so Nazis?

Ahmedijanad must cease to exist.

West wake up from your denial or find out the truth with a broken jaw.

AP and Reuters must know better when writing their news which have painted the pro palestinian story.



Christians have been devoted asassins of Jews from Russians to Germans to Spanish etc.

But Muslims are 100 times more comited to exterminate and they always do what is necessary.

Lets defeat the 17% of the Muslim population who act like Hitlers and do it for Allah.


http://forum.giyus.org/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=53c980c88bec7d39c47dcd92dafdb93f&topic=699.msg1806#msg1806

[msmcghee]

40. If you'd just take a breath, you'd find that I . .

.. referred to their blog zone, and offered a link to it, not the forum zone which is apparently unmoderated. Which means that the posts there could could come from anyone with any purpose - and do not necessarily represent the philosophy of the site.

And thanks for the pan. Sarcasm is usually not too funny to those being "sarcas-macized". }(

[Violet_Crumble]

41. The forum IS moderated...

And speaking of irrelevent, claiming a blog was lacking in bigotry even though I'd specifically said there was bigotry in the forum is particularly irrelevent....

But thanks for making me aware that you view bigotry against Muslims as 'irrelevent junk'...

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