'Sign of life from Gilad Shalit'

[Scurrilous]

Senior source says sign of life received from kidnapped soldier, discusses 'trust-building' steps to be taken by Israeli gov't, including release of Palestinian prisoners

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3303723,00.html

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"Sign of life from Gilad Shalit – A senior source involved in efforts to secure the release of kidnapped soldier Gilad Shalit told Ynet Wednesday that a sign of life had been received and that a potential resolution of the matter was reaching final stages.

According to the source, in recent days, the process underwent significant progress and Israel received a sign of life. No such optimistic report was received from the side of Israeli negotiators.

The source reported that a number of trust-building steps by the Israeli government towards the Palestinians are anticipated soon.

He estimated that a number of female and underage prisoners will be released and that, after the release of Gilad Shalit, additional Palestinian prisoners will be released. The recent release order of Hamas minister and Parliament members was one such step, he said."

[breakaleg]

1. Why does Israel even have underage prisoners in the first place?

[bemildred]

2. "Bargaining chips". nt

[Behind the Aegis]

3. not all of them are "innocent."

[Violet_Crumble]

5. And how do you know this?

How many aren't?

[Behind the Aegis]

7. How do you know?

How many are?

[Violet_Crumble]

11. Why are you asking me?

My only contribution to this thread has been to ask you how you know how many Palestinian children aren't innocent based on what you said. Given yr inability to answer the question it's clear that you have no idea how many Palestinian children being held are actually not 'innocent'.

[Behind the Aegis]

13. you posed a similar question.

There have been numerous articles where children were arrested for illegal activity. Those children are criminals by definition. Your absurd response is the one that needs proof, as you have no idea how many children are "innocent."

[Violet_Crumble]

14. No, all I did was ask you how you knew...

And how many children aren't innocent. And asked for a link to, well, anything. What's absurd is telling me I need to provide you proof to a question I asked..

What numerous articles are these? And what are these illegal activities that make them criminals by definition? And as I asked you before and you yet again failed to answer, how many of these children aren't innocent?

[pelsar]

4. 15-17 yr olds...

thrown moltov cocktails, carry bombs, shoot Ak-47s.....hamas, jidad islam dont recognize the western concept of 18old adulthood...guess its a cultural thing......gotta get out of the western colonial mindset that the western rules are used all over....how shall we call it:

intellectual ethnocentric western colonialism:....a mindset that believe all cultures believe in the western ethos...even if they dont follow them and even if they say it loud and clear, that they dont believe in them

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6. ...are legally children...

Palestinians become adults at 18. "Suffrage is extended to all Palestinians above the age of 18."

http://www.pogar.org/countries/index.asp?cid=14

If Hamas doesn't recognise it, then why hasn't that bit of law been scrapped, pelsar?

Also yr wrong claiming that 18 is a 'cultural thing' in the West:

In the modern world, including the United States, the United Kingdom, and China, legal adult age is 18. Exceptions:

16: Scotland
17: Indonesia
19: South Korea
20: Japan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult

Yep, those darn Chinese and their 'western colonial mindsets' Guess it's a cultural thing, eh? ;)

[pelsar]

9. read again...

i was refering to those who believe that all cultures must be western oriented... i dont know how the Chinese view other cultures.

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10. I read it...

I haven't seen anyone in this forum indicate that they believe all cultures must be western oriented. You claimed that suffrage at the age of 18 is a western thing and yr wrong. It's got nothing to do with culture as most countries have it. As do the Palestinians...

[breakaleg]

12. Doesn't Israel recognize the western concept of adulthood?

It's Israel that is holding them as prisoners, right?

[Stockholm]

8. The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child

Children have no place in an intifada and no place in a jail.:puke:

The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the child – a summary

Article 1
These rights apply to all children under 18.

Article 2
All children are of equal worth.
All children have the same rights and should not be discriminated against.
Nobody should treat you badly because of your appearance, your colour, your gender, your religion or your opinions.

Article 3
Those who make decisions affecting children must first and foremost think about what is best for you.

Article 6
You have the right to life and the right to develop.

Article 7
You have the right to a name and a nationality.

Article 9
You have the right to live with your parents unless it’s bad for you. You have the right to be brought up by your parents, if possible.

Articles 12–15
You have the right to say what you think. You are to be consulted and your opinions respected in all matters concerning you – at home, at school and by the authorities and the courts.

Article 18
Your parents are jointly responsible for your upbringing and development. They must always put your interests first.

Article 19
You have the right to protection against all forms of violence, neglect, abuse and maltreatment. You should not be exploited by your parents or other guardians.

Articles 20–21
You are entitled to receive care if you have lost your family.

Article 22
If you have been forced to leave your country you have the same rights as all the other children in your new country. If you are alone you have the right to special protection and help. If possible you should be reunited with your family.

Article 23
All children have the right to a decent life. If you are disabled you have the right to additional support and assistance.

Article 24
When you are sick you have the right to receive all the help and care you need.

Articles 28 and 29
You have the right to attend school and to learn important things such as respect for other people’s rights and respect for other cultures.

Article 30
The thoughts and beliefs of every child should be respected. If you belong to a minority you have the right to your own language, your own culture and your own religion.

Article 31
You have the right to play, rest and live in a healthy environment.

Article 32
You should not be forced to perform hazardous work which interrupts or prevents your schooling and which could be harmful to your health.

Article 34
No one should subject you to abuse or force you into prostitution. If you are treated badly you are entitled to receive protection and help.

Article 35
No one is allowed to kidnap or sell you.

Article 37
No one should punish you in a cruel and harmful manner.

Article 38
You never have to be a soldier or take part in an armed conflict.

Article 42
All adults and children should know about this convention. You have the right to learn about your rights.

http://www.childrensworld.org/page.html?pid=56