VOA-- Netanyahu Hopes Ahmadinejad is Brought to Trial (incitement to genocide)

[TexasLawyer]

Netanyahu Hopes Ahmadinejad is Brought to Trial
By Robert Berger
Jerusalem
21 January 2007

Israel's opposition leader is calling for the the president of Iran to be brought to trial in an international court. As Robert Berger reports from VOA's Jerusalem bureau, it is the latest sign of deepening concern in Israel over Iran's nuclear program.

Former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he and other Israelis are trying to bring Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to trial for incitement to genocide. Netanyahu said Ahmadinejad is an international war criminal because he has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

Speaking at a conference on security, Netanyahu said the 1948 universal declaration of human rights does not just prohibit acts of genocide, but also deals with incitement to genocide. Therefore, he said, the Iranian president should face trial at the International Court of Justice in the Hague.

Israel is especially alarmed about Ahmadinejad's threats because of Iran's nuclear program. Israel sees Iran as its greatest strategic threat, and Netanyahu appealed for tougher international sanctions to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.

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http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-01-21-voa16.cfm

[roamer65]

1. As long as you are tried for genocide against the Palestinians, Bebe.

Fair is fair.

[ckramer]

2. Exactly. He is such a worthless piece.

big mouth hardline rightwinger.

[kitty1]

3. Is there gonna be another hangin Jeb? .....Both countries pose

a threat to each other to a degree. Sure the Iranian Pres has a big mouth and should be constrained, but at least he and his country haven't been cited for crimes against humanity over the years by the U.N. Human Rights Commission.
Last time I checked Israel was armed to the teeth and had nukes too. And they've been know to push buttons around that area. They've bombed out installations in both Syria and Iraq over the years on a pre-emptive basis. And look at the junkyard they left Lebanon in.
Noone is saying that Iran isn't a shit disturber around Iraq, but to attack Israel without provocation would be total suicide for that country and they know it. They'll certainly retalliate back, but not initiate anything.

[Shaktimaan]

25. are you serious?

Sure the Iranian Pres has a big mouth and should be constrained, but at least he and his country haven't been cited for crimes against humanity over the years by the U.N. Human Rights Commission.

Do you really consider Israel to be a bigger human rights violator than Iran? For real? Do you know about Iran's human rights record?

OK, so I'm hearing a lot of extremely harsh stuff here about Bibi. Not that I'm a fan or anything, but what exactly did he do that qualifies him as a monster, a madman or genocidal?

[still_one]

4. Shouldn't this be in the I/P forum

and why would this be considered LBN?

[TexasLawyer]

5. It's about Iran

and it was something said today and reported in VOA.

[Howardx]

12. are you a moderator?

why are you always pushing for stuff to be put in i/p?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x258485#258488

same thing

one might be led to think you had an agenda

[PerceptionManagement]

6. ...he said without a bit of irony.

BTW, how long before Chimpy emulates mossad, er I mean israel decrees that "unamericans" can loose their citizenship?

[amagusta]

7. Ahmadinejad has been misquoted to demonize him

The Iranian president has been consistently misquoted as part of what appears to be an orchestrated Zioncon program to justify an attack on Iran.
Here are some links to what Ahmadinejad really said. These articles are instructive on how the media distorts the truth:

http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/hitchens-hacker-and-hitchens.html

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12790.htm

www.counterpunch.org/tilley08282006.html

It's mind boggling that even the House sub-committee on Intelligence has written this garbage into official reports. It quotes Ahmadinejad as saying,"Israel must be wiped off the map." This is just as much a conscious plot as was the demonization of Saddam Husein, WMD, etc. :http://intelligence.house.gov/Media/PDFS/IranReport082206v2.pdf

[oblivious]

9. And here comes the attack: "Israelis prepare public for conflict with 'genocidal' Iranian regime"

Straight from the mouth of a madman.

Israelis prepare public for conflict with 'genocidal' Iranian regime
By Anne Penketh in Herzliya, Israel
Published: 22 January 2007

Senior Israeli politicians and analysts appear to be preparing the public for military conflict with Iran as the Iranian President again refused to bow to international demands to curb its nuclear ambitions, and Tehran announced fresh military manoeuvres.

Israeli opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu told a security forum in Herzliya yesterday that individual states and companies should go beyond the UN economic sanctions. He argued that the first step should be to invoke financial sanctions to "divest genocide" and "delegitimise the regime of Iran through economic and political pressure".

The hawkish Likud leader added: "Either it will stop the nuclear programme without the need for a military operation, or it could prepare for it. When we are talking about rallying public opinion on genocide, who will lead the charge if not us? No one will come defend the Jews if they do not defend themselves. This is the lesson of history."
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2175028.ece

[Phx_Dem]

26. So are these Al Jazeera quotes fabricated?

Attending a summit of Muslim nations in Malaysia, Iran's president said: "The real cure for the conflict is the elimination of the Zionist regime, but there should be an immediate ceasefire first."

http://english.aljazeera.net/News/Archive/Archive?ArchiveID=24902

Ahmadinejad also questioned Israel's right to exist. "This is a fake regime ... it won't be able to survive. I think the only way (forward) is that those who created it (the West) take it away themselves," the president told a rally in Tehran in support of Palestinians.

Ahmadinejad, who last year called for Israel to be "wiped off the map," has repeatedly voiced fiery rhetoric against the Jewish state.

http://english.aljazeera.net/News/Archive/Archive?ArchiveID=24321


The president also told a gathering of Iranian officials, visiting Palestinian leaders and foreign supporters that "the Zionist regime is an injustice and by its very nature a permanent threat".

"Whether you like it or not, the Zionist regime is on the road to being eliminated," added Ahmadinejad, who drew international condemnation last year when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map".

http://english.aljazeera.net/News/Archive/Archive?ArchiveID=22021

[ContraCommando]

33. Actually, some of them are

The “wiped off the map” phase was never said. It was the result of a mistranslation.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NOR20070120&articleId=4527

[msmcghee]

34. Aside from the Slate article linked by Shaktimaan below . .

. . which shows that the quote your article frames as being a mis-translation - is actually the 2nd of 3 similar quotes in the speech - and therefore somewhat a straw-man. The first seems far more aggressive.

http://www.slate.com/id/2140947/

But, here's what has me puzzled. You claim - or the article you link to support your mistranslation premise claims:

The inflammatory "wiped off the map" quote was first disseminated not by Iran's enemies, but by Iran itself. The Islamic Republic News Agency, Iran's official propaganda arm, used this phrasing in the English version of some of their news releases covering the World Without Zionism conference.

I can't help but wonder why, if Ahmadinejad was mis-quoted as your article claims - by the official Iranian press - the press that holds their jobs at the pleasure of the Ahmadinejad government - why that organization has not simply apologized for misquoting their president and offered a correction.

It seems that would be a simple solution that would save Ahmadinejad the embarrassment of having to clarify his own remarks - unless perhaps he's happy with the interpretation and wishes that meaning to remain in circulation. And if so - isn't that the same as saying it?

It seems that the meaning of Ahmadinejad's words that is transferred to the West is what is really of concern here - not what various self-styled experts, many with agendas, claim he meant or didn't mean. It would seem that as the titular leader of one of the world's great powers he would be very concerned that he is not misunderstood - especially by his enemies. From his actions, I'd say it is somewhat evident that he has not been.

[Shaktimaan]

27. Uh-huh

Quite possibly, "wiped off the map" is slightly too free a translation of what he originally said, and what it is mandatory for his followers to repeat. So, I give it below, in Persian and in English, and let you be the judge:

Esrail ghiyam-e mossalahaane bar zed-e mamaalek-e eslami nemoodeh ast va bar doval va mamaalek-eeslami ghal-o-gham aan lazem ast.

My source here is none other than a volume published by the Institute for Imam Khomeini. Here is the translation:

Israel has declared armed struggle against Islamic countries and its destruction is a must for all governments and nations of Islam.

This is especially important, and is also the reason for the wide currency given to the statement: It is making something into a matter of religious duty. The term "ghal-o-gham" is an extremely strong and unambivalent one, of which a close equivalent rendering would be "annihilate."

http://www.slate.com/id/2140947/

[minkyboodle]

8. Bebe should join him

They are both monsters as far as I'm concerned.

[countmyvote4real]

10. The pot calls the kettle black without any sense of irony.

The little puppet * will be the one to carry out the mission of all his neo-con and big oil masters.

[Name removed]

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[countmyvote4real]

13. What? n/t

[Lurking Dem]

14. Bigoted statement.

[Tom Joad]

28. I agree with that. It was not appropriate.

[Lurking Dem]

29. Thank you, Tom.

[Name removed]

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[Poll_Blind]

16. Members from that site have legally threatened DU, called Skinner an anti-Semite.

Aside from being a member of it, what is your affiliation with that site?

PB

[furman]

17. I have no other affiliation to that site besides being a member

I post there every so often but I am not involved in any legal threats or actions against DU.
Nor have I ever communicated with Skinner or spoke of him at all.

[Poll_Blind]

18. Thank you. I know you don't "owe" me an answer but I appreciate...

...your willingness to give one. That place is making its way to Franklin's Hate Directory and comments by some members, not just the banned ones (I think we both know who I'm talking about in specific), are receiving 202 attention.

  That's all I know about that.

PB

[Lurking Dem]

19. I find it interesting

that you have yet to express any opinion, or even interest, in the hate that was conveyed on this very thread.

[Poll_Blind]

20. I'm flattered to still hold your interest, if only fleetingly. n/t

PB

[Lurking Dem]

21. However fleeting it may be

you can't possibly agree with what the poster said, so why can't you just say that? Why attack the ones who actually did call him on his shit?

[Poll_Blind]

23. Like all others, I make posts at DU at my inclination and convenience.

What you construe from posts I do not make is ultimately fiction tailored to your own desires. Paraphrasing someone who should know: "If you come to DU looking for something, you will find it. Because people see what they want to see."

PB

[Howardx]

22. he posts about DU members

he deems "anti semetic"

[breakaleg]

24. And? that site is a joke. n/t

[newyorican]

30. PU?

:rofl:

[breakaleg]

31. yep.

[newyorican]

32. Well, I was making a joke of the initials...

but having some time, I took a gander at the site.

Very sad group.

I couldn't help but notice an active poster here is a moderator in a section which repeatedly claims I have something to do with hubcaps.

Pity is well deserved in this case.