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furman Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 02:33 PM
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Yemenite Jews flee due to threats
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1167467787833&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Jan. 22, 2007 13:16 | Updated Jan. 22, 2007 20:29
Yemenite Jews flee due to threats
By DAVID MACHLIS AND JPOST.COM STAFF

The Saudi newspaper Al Watan reported on Monday that 45 Jews in a village just north of San'a in Yemen were forced to leave their homes due to threats from radical Muslims.

One resident confirmed the reports in an interview with Israel Radio, saying that the Jews in her village had received letters from the government warning them to flee because the al-Qaida organization was threatening to kill them.

...

Yemen, al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden's ancestral homeland, is known as a hotbed of the organization's sympathizers and has long tolerated Muslim extremists.

...

These are extremist threats, not threats from the government. The issue will pass, and these Jews will
return to their homes," he told The Jerusalem Post.

...

Jews are a small minority in the mostly Muslim country. Most of Yemen's Jews were brought over to Israel during Operation Magic Carpet in 1949-50, following the 1948 Muslim riots that ruined the Jewish community in Aden and killed 82 people.

"This is the last generation of Jews in Yemen, and they appear to be happy there for the most part. There isn't much of a community, there isn't a leadership, and they consult with Rabbis abroad. The government does not object to them leaving, but on the whole, they do not want to come to Israel, New York or London for that matter," Professor Giamani said.

AP contributed to this report.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 02:35 PM
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1. I would rather send them tickets here than to Israel
Safer here
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:33 PM
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2. I gotta read these titles better
I thought some Jews were fleeing Yosemite.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:30 PM
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idontwantaname Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:50 PM
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4. in a silly little book i read
one man wrote that his village was told to leave because it would soon come under attack. he and his family left into the hills. the attack never came. instead it was occupied by soldiers and they were (more or less) expelled from their village.

http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Brothers-Elias-Chacour/dp/0800790960
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:54 PM
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5. for the record
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 11:03 PM by Douglas Carpenter
Even the Peel Commission in the late 1930's acknowledged that a viable Jewish state would not be possible without a transfer of hundreds of thousands of Arabs.

It now appears obvious even to many Palestinians that rejection of the November 1947 U.N. partition plan was a mistake. However, in the context of the time with much of the Zionist movement claiming that their acceptance was only a first step and with open talk of transferring major portions of the Palestinian population and with 66% of the population being offered 45% of the land it may not have seemed like a very generous or even a very wise offer at the time.

On the broader question of the transfer of Palestinians out of Palestine, let me quote former Israeli Foreign Minister and Israeli historian Shlomo Ben-Ami (who I might add is an ardent Zionist) from Scars of War Wounds of Peace, the Israeli-Arab Tragedy, page 25-26

Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/Scars-War-Wounds-Peace-Israeli-Arab/dp/0195181581/sr=1-1/qid=1166681762/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-8701952-4352901?ie=UTF8&s=books

"The idea of transfer of Arabs had a long pedigree in Zionist thought. Moral scruples hardly intervened in what was normally seen as a realistic and logical solution, a matter of expediency. Israel Zangvill, the founding father of the concept, advocated transfer as early as 1916. For as he said, ' if we wish to give a country to a people without a country, it is utter foolishness to allow it to be the country of two people...."

"The idea of transfer was not the intimate dream of only the activists and militants of the Zionist movement. A mass exodus of Arabs from Palestine was no great tragedy, according to Menachem Usishkink, a leader of the General Zionist. To him the message of the Arab Revolt was that coexistence was out of the question and it was now either the Arabs or the Jews, but not both. Even Aharon Zislong, a member of the extreme Left of the Zionist Labour movements, who during the 1948 war would go on record as being scandalized by the atrocities committed against the Arab population, saw no 'moral flaw' in transfer of the Arabs...But again, Ben Gurion's voice had always a special meaning and relevance. At a Zionist meeting in June 1938 he was as explicit as he could be. 'I support compulsory transfer. I don't see in it anything immoral.' But he also knew that transfer would be possible only in the midst of war, not in 'normal times.' What might be impossible in such times, he said 'is possible in revolutionary times.' The problem was, then, not moral, perhaps not even political,it was a function of timing, this meant war"

and from page 43:

" Benny Morris found no evidence to show 'that either the leaders of the Arab states or the Mufti ordered or directly encouraged the mass exodus'. Indeed Morris found evidence to the effect that the local Arab leadership and militia commanders discouraged flight, and the Arab radio stations issued calls to the Palestinians to stay put, and even to return to their homes if they had already left. True, there were more than a few cases where local Arab commanders ordered the evacuation of villages. But these seemed to gave been tactical decisions taken under very specific military conditions..."

From page 44:

"The first major wave of Arab exodus in April-May 1948, essentially in the wake of the Dir Yassin massacre that was perpetrated by Lehi and Irgun with the Haganah's connivance and the unfolding of Plan D, might perhaps have taken the leadership of the Yishuv by surprise. But they undoubtedly saw an opportunity to be exploited, a phenomenon to rejoice at -- Manachem Begin wrote in his memoirs, The Revolt, that 'out of evil, however, good came-and be encouraged. 'Doesn't he have anything more important to do?' was Ben-Gurion's reaction when told, during his visit to Haifa on 1 May 1948 that a local Jewish leader was trying to convince Arabs not to leave. 'Drive them out!' was Ben-Gurion's instruction to Yigal Allon, as recorded by Yitzak Rabin in a censored passage of his memoirs published in a censored passage of his memoirs published in 1979, with regard to the Arabs of Lydda after the city had been taken over on 11 July 1948....Plan D, however, was a major cause for the exodus, for it was strategically driven by the notion of creating Jewish contiguity even beyond the partition lines and, therefore by the desire to have a Jewish state with the smallest number of Arabs.

The debate about whether or not the mass exodus of Palestinians was the result of a Zionist design or the inevitable concomitant of war could not ignore the ideological constructs that motivated the Zionist enterprise. The philosophy of transfer was not a marginal, esoteric article....These ideological constructs provided a legitimate environment for commanders in the field to encourage the eviction of the local population even when no precise order to that effect was issued by the political leaders. As early as February 1948, that is before the mass exodus had started but after he witnessed how Arabs had fled West Jerusalem, Ben-Gurion could not hide his excitement."

from page 42:

"The reality on the ground was at times far simpler and more cruel than what Ben-Gurion was ready to acknowledge. It was that of an Arab community in a state of terror facing a ruthless Israeli army whose path to victory was paved not only by its exploits against the regular Arab armies, but also by the intimidation, at at times atrocities and massacres it perpetrated against the civilian Arab community. A panic-stricken Arab community was uprooted under the impact of massacres that would be carved into the Arabs' monument of grief and hatred."
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for more information: What Really Happened Fifty Years Ago?
by: Ilan Pappe of Haifa University - link:

http://www.ameu.org/page.asp?iid=35&aid=427&pg=1

_____________

Map showing the massive destruction of Palestinian towns after al-Nakba in 1948 - LINK: http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story572.html



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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:15 PM
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6. Does everything have to be hijacked?
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 11:18 PM by oberliner
And steered in the same direction?

The O/P is about Yemen.

Edit: This reply is not meant to be directed at you in particular, just all those in general who re-direct threads in such a fashion.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:18 PM
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7. sorry about that....I just had to respond to respond
my apologies
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 01:28 AM
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9. You have nothing to apologize for, as the misplaced subject was not
brought up by you.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:33 AM
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12. Why not aim it at furman?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 09:20 AM
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:52 PM
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17. No, you hijacked this thread coz you can't be bothered following the rules at DU...
This is so simple a five year old would have no trouble understanding it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x14094

btw, it'd help in any future threadjacking yr intending on doing if you yrself didn't make patently false allegations...

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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 05:20 AM
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13. You're asking the wrong person, shurely?

Because furman blatantly hijacked the thread. Did you not see that?
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 09:43 AM
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16. Read the thread too quickly
Didn't note where the hijacking began.

My mistake.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:32 AM
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11. Actually, the misinformation is coming from you...
'For the record...only a handful of Arabs were expelled from Israel.

Only a handful? That's every bit as incorrect as saying nearly all of them were expelled.

In "1948 and After" Benny Morris examines the first phase of the exodus and produces a detailed analysis of a source that he considers basically reliable: a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled "The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948". This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. "At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations." To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration". A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases...

In short, as Morris puts it, this report "undermines the traditional official Israeli ’explanation’ of a mass flight ordered or ’invited’ by the Arab leadership". Neither, as he points out, "does uphold the traditional Arab explanation of the exodus - that the Jews, with premeditation and in a centralised fashion, had systematically waged a campaign aimed at the wholesale expulsion of the native Palestinian population." However, he says that "the circumstances of the second half of the exodus" - which he estimates as having involved between 300,000 and 400,000 people - "are a different story."

One example of this second phase was the expulsion of Arabs living in Lydda (present-day Lod) and Ramleh. On 12 July 1948, within the framework of Operation Dani, a skirmish with Jordanian armoured forces served as a pretext for a violent backlash, with 250 killed, some of whom were unarmed prisoners. This was followed by a forced evacuation characterised by summary executions and looting and involving upwards of 70,000 Palestinian civilians - almost 10% of the total exodus of 1947- 49. Similar scenarios were enacted, as Morris shows, in central Galilee, Upper Galilee and the northern Negev, as well as in the post-war expulsion of the Palestinians of Al Majdal (Ashkelon). Most of these operations (with the exception of the latter) were marked by atrocities - a fact which led Aharon Zisling, the minister of agriculture, to tell the Israeli cabinet on 17 November 1948: "I couldn’t sleep all night. I felt that things that were going on were hurting my soul, the soul of my family and all of us here (...) Now Jews too have behaved like Nazis and my entire being has been shaken (10)."

The Israeli government of the time pursued a policy of non- compromise, in order to prevent the return of the refugees "at any price" (as Ben Gurion himself put it), despite the fact that the UN General Assembly had been calling for this since 11 December 1948. Their villages were either destroyed or occupied by Jewish immigrants, and their lands were shared out between the surrounding kibbutzim. The law on "abandoned properties" - which was designed to make possible the seizure of any land belonging to persons who were "absent" - "legalised" this project of general confiscation as of December 1948. Almost 400 Arab villages were thus either wiped off the map or Judaised, as were most of the Arab quarters in mixed towns. According to a report drawn up in 1952, Israel had thus succeeded in expropriating 73,000 rooms in abandoned houses, 7,800 shops, workshops and warehouses, 5 million Palestinian pounds in bank accounts, and - most important of all - 300,000 hectares of land (11).


http://mondediplo.com/1997/12/palestine



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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 05:47 AM
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14. Seen this?
We believe that enough time has passed now for people to get used to the idea of the block function. Note that it is permissable for members to acknowledge that they are blocking someone, or that they are being blocked. However, we will be reminding the moderators to remove posts and/or lock threads which call out or personally attack other members for using the function. If someone blocks you, then we suggest that you review your past behavior on DU to determine the reason why.

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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 03:07 PM
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18. I have. Support the admins 100% on this.
Edited on Tue Jan-23-07 03:19 PM by Tom Joad
I also think it wrong to link to hate sites, filled with childish attacks on people, amusing though it is at times.

First, a poster would put up in large headlines.... (targets name, sometimes including adminstrators at DU) "Why are you a Nazi! You morons! You fucking idiots!! Your father was a nazi!! "

Then another post, innocently and plaintively asks, in seeming seriousness... "Why do they call this a hate site?"

Can't miss, laugh of the day!
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:55 PM
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8. I'm sure they won't be coming back
If the government can't/won't protect them now, why would they suddenly start doing it in the future? A sad final chapter in one of Judaism's most interesting communities.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 01:46 AM
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10. People fleeing under such circumstances should be welcomed to the United States.
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