Israel and the Zionist Lobby

[Enraged American]

Am I the only person sick of the one-sided, hypocritical foreign policy the government has with regard to Israel?

It's obvious that the Zionist lobby controls our foreign policy. Why is the US the only country to never condemn Israeli aggression at the UN? Why did America veto the resolution that would prevent Israel from killing Arafat?

For once a politician (Howard Dean) suggests a balanced foreign policy, but he only gets blasted by Likudist monster Joe Lieberman who thinks that settlement building and air strikes on residential areas will lead to peace.

[Mari333]

1. I agree...

http://www.iraqwar.org/Armageddonupdates.htm

[Darranar]

2. I disagree...

American foreign policy isn't dictated by the Zionist lobby, it's dictated by PNAC. Connections do exist, but not to the extent that some make it out to be.

PNAC is untimately served by a right-wing Likud government in Israel that will listen to their wishes.

[Enraged American]

5. Don't kid yourself.

I saw an AIPAC meeting on C-SPAN back in april, and I saw Bill Frist, Tom Daschle, and Colin Powell all take turns kissing AIPAC's ass.

Even in PNAC, the pro-Israeli policy is due to the fact that the core of PNAC is fanatically Jewish-Zionist (Wolfowitz, Perle) and plenty of Christian nutballs who support Israel because of some apocalyptic theory are involved in this crap.

[Darranar]

9. Thanks for the...

oh, never mind.

Where are your sources for this? What evidence do you have in support of this connection? And no, Pat Buchanan's or David Duke's anti-semitic pieces of junk don't count.

[MariMayans]

3. They aren't that important

you want to find the lobby that really, really, really, loves Israel catch the defense industry.

[drdon326]

4. Hold on a second....

i'm finishing my next check to AIPAC.

If you pm me your name, i'll make it in honor of you.

[MariMayans]

6. can't do that..

They don't operate that way because then they would have to follow PAC rules and they would also have to register as agents of a foreign power.

Just email them and tell them you want to write some checks and they will tell you where to mail them.

[drdon326]

8. Sorry to disagree with you...

you CAN (and i have ) contribute directly to
AIPAC.

[Darranar]

12. Yah, you can...

but I don't see why you'd contribute to such an organization.

[drdon326]

16. Oh...thats easy...

because they do such great work.

[Darranar]

19. What great work?

Supporting the occupation and attacking the Palestinians while ignoring Israeli atrocities seems not very great work to me.

[drdon326]

21. No....

your view of things seems so one-sided.

they support israels right to exist WITHOUT HAVING
TO EXPERINCE ENDLESS TERRORISM BY PEOPLE YOU SEEM TO
ALWAYS FORGET TO MENTION.

[Darranar]

23. I forget to mention...

devestating and despicable suicide bombings against innocent people? Like another poster, you seem to have an intuitive ability to know things about me that I don't seem to know myself.

And if that's ALL AIPAC stands for, then I agree with them. Unfortunately, they end up supporting the Likud line of thought rather fanatically, and that's where I begin to disagree with them.

[MariMayans]

13. you are paying for operational expenses

[Enraged American]

7. What the?

A DUer who supports an apartheid state that is the 3rd or 4th nuclear power in the world?

[MariMayans]

10. sure..

Jews are no more or less prone to chauvinism than anyone else. I don't know what the gentiles who back that whole thing up are about and wonder greatly why they care if they identify at all with any sort of leftist ideology but to be certain there are left-liberals who are supportive of Israel.

[drdon326]

11. Ohhhhh noooooo....

A DUer who supports an democratic state that is the 3rd or 4th nuclear power in the world.

[The Magistrate]

14. Rage Is A Poor Councilor, Sir

The question of Israel v. Palestine does not divide along neat left and right lines. Much opposition to Israel emerges from extraordinarily reactionary tendencies.

Your expressed shock at finding members of this forum in support of Israel strikes a humorous that may be your only saving grace, Sir.

As a matter of curiousity, just how extensive do you believe the influence of Jews over the government and society of the United States to be?

[drdon326]

15. I smell the word...

*CONSPIRACY* any time now.

[The Magistrate]

17. This Is A Mere 'Drive-By', Doctor

Another fellow "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing," who imagines he has invented the wheel all for himself.

[drdon326]

18. Where did Enraged American go??

?

[Darranar]

20. Good question...

he seems to have disappeared.

[MariMayans]

22. I don't know but..

perhaps the next time you might want to try and be serious about the question instead of getting the vapors about "Jewish money". If you want I can demonstrate quite clearly that AIPAC can be trumped by a number of different lobbies and that they are a swing vote at best and limited to strongarming congress and have little influence over the executive.

[Lithos]

24. locking

not based on a recent news or op-ed article.

Lithos
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