Rev. Hagee hopes for the Destruction of Israel, calls The Holocaust "god's judgment."

[Ian David]

In addition to hoping for the destruction of Israel, he also blames Jews for The Holocaust, saying it was God's judgment.


"It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day....

How utterly repulsive, insulting, and heartbreaking to God for His chosen people to credit idols with bringing blessings He had showered upon the chosen people. Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.... it rises from the judgment of God uppon his rebellious chosen people." ( "Jerusalem Countdown: A Prelude To War", paperback edition, pages 92 and 93 )

With friends like these...

More:
http://atrios.blogspot.com/2007_03_04_atrios_archive.html#117321798807244009

[DinahMoeHum]

1. Any Jew or Israeli who thinks Hagee is an ally of theirs. . .

should have his/her head examined.

:evilfrown:

[saltpoint]

2. Rev. Hagee sounds like an unrepentant racist to me.

A cousin, who attends twice-weekly Bible study groups with other fundamentalists, tried to sell me on the notion that Katrina was God's judgment on "all that gamblin' and carryin' on." I told him I hoped that wasn't the case because the idea is immoral.

I'm getting a bit of the same psychology from the Hagee quotation.

[Tom Joad]

3. Hagee is a friend of Israel's most popular politician.

The eloquent statesman, rumored to be interested in seeking the prime minister's post again, came to San Antonio under tight security as a guest of the Rev. John Hagee, who built the church through his successful television ministry. Hagee said donations collected during the event would be dedicated to the relief effort.

Earlier in the day, Netanyahu gave a speech in Houston.
http://www.netanyahu.org/pasisprimmin.html
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Rivals thrash Israel's Olmert in TV popularity poll
JERUSALEM – Former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyau and three other likely rival candidates for top office would easily beat the incumbent, Ehud Olmert, if elections were held now, an opinion poll showed on Wednesday.

The Channel Ten television survey found that just 3 percent of Israelis would vote to re-elect Olmert, whose centrist government has been dogged by scandals and criticism over last year's inconclusive war against Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas.


Netanyahu of the right-wing Likud Party, who is Israeli opposition leader, would take 30 percent of votes.

Following him in popularity were retired admiral Ami Ayalon and former Prime Minister Ehud Barak, both of the centre-left Labor party, who were seen taking 18 and 12 percent of votes respectively. Labor will hold a primary election in late May.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20070307-1047-israel-olmert.html
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Hagee is part of the US fascist right, and that is clear.

[oberliner]

4. Some 'moral clarity' from the current Palestinian Prime Minister

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh told thousands of Iranians on Friday that his Hamas-led government will never recognize Israel and will continue to fight for the "liberation of Jerusalem."

Making his first visit abroad since the militant group took power in March, Haniyeh blasted U.S. demands that Hamas recognize Israel as a basis for renewed peace talks and before international aid to the Palestinians resumes.

The U.S. "and Zionists ... want us to recognize the usurpation of the Palestinian lands and stop jihad and resistance and accept the agreements reached with the Zionist enemies in the past," Haniyeh told worshippers at Tehran University.

The United States is pressing the Palestinian government to not only recognize Israel, but to renounce violence and form a national unity government with the moderate Fatah party.

"I'm insisting from this podium that these issues won't materialize. We will never recognize the usurper Zionist government and will continue our jihad-like movement until the liberation of Jerusalem," he said.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-12-08-palestinian-pm_x.htm

Some of his friends include Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir.

[msmcghee]

5. You forgot to mention that this occurred in 2001. n/t

[Tom Joad]

6. Hagee was a liberal then? or what? How does that make a difference?

I think they were both the same as they are now.
If bibi's views on his friend has changed, perhaps you can suggest they take that story off Bibi's website.

[msmcghee]

7. You claimed Netanyahu is Hagee's friend . .

. . based on a story where he went there to give a speech because the congregation was donating to some "relief" cause that was not even spelled out - and this all happened six years ago.

If someone did not check they could easily believe this happened yesterday and that Netanyahu actually said or did something that indicated a friendship between them - since that's what your post implied - and none of that happened. You might just try a little intellectual honesty in your posts.

[Tom Joad]

9. The source was Netanyahu's website, the link was given

and hagee is just as much a fascist then as he was now. What was dishonest about it? I don't see what difference the date makes... i didn't even notice myself. If hagee had changed his politics over the years, then yes, i would say it would make a difference... he has not...yes, lets be honest here

The story about Bibi's popularity is not even yesterday's news, its today's news.

Bibi has been often been with the extremist right in the USA, including both hagee and pat robertson. That's his choice, as it is W. Bush or Mitt romney.
Get over it.

[msmcghee]

10. I could give a crap if they are best friends.

Your post stated they were friends but gave no evidence of that. Get over it.

[oberliner]

13. maybe somebody should start a "stop-CUFI" website

This is from the BBC:

"Christian Zionism is responsible for American support for some of the most irredentist Israeli positions," she said, such as support for settlement-building.

She said evangelical Christians had substantial influence on US Middle East policy - more so than some better-known names such as Aipac, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

"The influence of Hagee is to make the American public support the government's completely one-sided, hawkishly pro-Israel stance. These groups have much more influence than Aipac or the so-called Israel lobby."

Pastor Hagee himself said his group potentially had more clout than Jewish pro-Israel groups.

"When a congressman sees someone from Aipac coming through the door, he knows he represents six million people. We represent 40 million people."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5193092.stm

This is from the CUFI website:

CUFI has 2 main objectives:

To Influence Washington. Every year, CUFI will hold an annual Washington summit to enable CUFI members to personally speak with their elected representatives on behalf of Israel. At critical junctures throughout the year, CUFI members will be mobilized through Rapid Response Alerts to generate millions of phone calls and e-mails requesting action for Israel from the Administration and Congress.

To educate & build Christian support for Israel throughout America. While millions of evangelical Christians support Israel, there are millions more who do not. It is crucial to educate Christians on the biblical and moral imperatives of supporting Israel. CUFI will pursue this goal through the distribution of literature, DVD’s, Middle East Briefing speakers and, most importantly, holding annual Nights to Honor Israel in communities throughout the country.

http://www.cufi.org/about.aspx

[Tom Joad]

14. damn straight. Not sure they have the influence that aipac et. al. does, but

what they lack in that, they make up in rabid extremism. They certainly add to the problem. I don't think Pelosi will speak at their gatherings, however. Even the likes of McCain may stay away. But tens of thousands of phone calls/letters are never ignored in DC, no matter the extremism of the source. And given that they will mostly agree with entrenched, well-established groups like aipac, its part of the mix that creates US policy in Israel/Palestine

As quoted before, they think that Palestinians have absolutely no right to the land (Israel proper, Gaza, or West Bank), no matter what. No matter if they have a property deed, no matter even if they are given that land by Israel.

I think there is no debate here (for a change!) that this movement is not for the good of anyone in the Middle East.

(btw, i think hagee does not represent as many people as he suggests, Evangelicals are more diverse than he thinks. Not all Jewish people think they are well served by aipac, either. )

[Tom Joad]

15. Then again, aipac and cufi are really part of the same movement.

and some movements are better flushed from the political system.

[rockymountaindem]

8. Well, that's what the fundamentalists want for us Jews

They want us all to move to Israel so the end times can begin, so they can be saved, 2/3rds of us can die and the other 1/3rd will convert to Christianity. Is anybody shocked by this?

I understand Israel wanting to take support where it can be found, but I have always felt and continue to feel that accepting the "love" of people who basically are using you as a theological means to an end is stooping pretty low.

[Tom Joad]

11. November 2006. Bibi and Peres thank Hagee for his support.

http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2006d/110306/110306j.php
(Please notice this was 5 months ago...)

Messages from Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Shimon Peres and former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu thanking the congregation and Hagee for their support for Israel were broadcast over two large video screens.

In his keynote address, Malcolm Hoenlein, vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations, spoke of recent attempts to deny Israel’s legitimacy, singling out for criticism Professors John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt of the University of Chicago and Harvard for their recent “sophomoric” paper critical of the Jewish lobby, and condemned what he said were attempts to give moral equivalency to Hezbollah and Israel in the recent war in Lebanon.

Comment: the extremism of this group is clear.. This land, in their view, is for Jewish people only, no matter what anyone says...

But most of the Christians in attendance for the weekend were wholehearted in their support for Hagee’s message.

Elesi Nagalu, 41, said nobody should be telling Israel what to do. “That land belongs to the Jewish people. They might have property deeds, but property deeds don’t mean anything to me.”

these two Israeli leaders are lending legitimacy to Mr. Hagee. doesn't help us here in the US, does it.

Mayor rudy turned down a big contribution to New York City... maybe its time for Israeli leaders to cut ties to this crackpot.

[bemildred]

12. Another cretin that thinks he can speak for the deity. nt