O God, destroy the unjust Christians...destroy the unjust Jews

[drdon326]

full title:Qatari sermon: O God, destroy the unjust Christians...destroy the unjust
Jews

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=18383

Concluding, the imam prays to God: "O God, strengthen Islam and Muslims,
disappoint infidelity and infidels, destroy the enemies of Islam. O God,
grant safety to this country and the other Islamic countries. O God, give
success to the Muslims' leaders." He goes on: "O God, support Mujahidin
everywhere. O God, help our brothers in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan,
Kashmir, and Chechnya score victory. O God, destroy the unjust Christians. O
God, destroy their rule and disperse them. O God, destroy the unjust Jews. O
God, destroy the unjust, usurper Jews. O God, disperse them and shake the
ground under them."

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more state sponsored anti-semitism...so sad...it never ends.
let me guess....its anti-zionism......not anti-semitism.

first it was saudi arabia
then it was in jenin
then it was kuwait
now qatar

these imans are pretty wild

[Trajan]

1. Psalms .....

Psalms 139:22

I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

[Gimel]

2. Before there were any Moslums to hate.

There is only a reference to an enemy in this quote. Is that so prejudicial?

[Resistance]

3. Deuteronomy - Chapter 32

(32:27 - 32:49)

Were it not that I dreaded the enemy's provocation, lest their adversaries should misdeem, lest they should say: Our hand is exalted, and not the Lord hath wrought all this.'

For they are a nation void of counsel, and there is no understanding in them.

If they were wise, they would understand this, they would discern their latter end...

Vengeance is Mine, and recompense, against the time when their foot shall slip; for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that are to come upon them shall make haste.

For the Lord will judge His people, and repent Himself for His servants; when He seeth that their stay is gone, and there is none remaining, shut up or left at large.

And it is said: Where are their gods, the rock in whom they trusted;

Who did eat the fat of their sacrifices, and drank the wine of their drink-offering? let him rise up and help you, let him be your protection.

See now that I, even I, am He, and there is no god with Me; I kill, and I make alive; I have wounded, and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of My hand.

For I lift up My hand to heaven, and say: As I live for ever,

If I whet My glittering sword, and My hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to Mine adversaries, and will recompense them that hate Me.

I will make Mine arrows drunk with blood, and My sword shall devour flesh; with the blood of the slain and the captives, from the long-haired heads of the enemy.'

Sing aloud, O ye nations, of His people; for He doth avenge the blood of His servants, and doth render vengeance to His adversaries, and doth make expiation for the land of His people.

And Moses came and spoke all the words of this song in the ears of the people, he, and Hoshea the son of Nun.

And when Moses made an end of speaking all these words to all Israel,

he said unto them: 'Set your heart unto all the words wherewith I testify against you this day; that ye may charge your children therewith to observe to do all the words of this law.

For it is no vain thing for you; because it is your life, and through this thing ye shall prolong your days upon the land, whither ye go over the Jordan to possess it.'

And the Lord spoke unto Moses that selfsame day, saying:

'Get thee up into this mountain of Abarim, unto mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, that is over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession

For thou shalt see the land afar off; but thou shalt not go thither into the land which I give the children of Israel.'

[Aidoneus]

8. if you want something within the last millenia,

Ovadia Yosef's screeds make a fine launching pad; his latest headline-grabber being "Anyone who has evil thoughts about the yeshiva students and calls them parasites is a scoundrel, a heretic, and killing him is permitted".. even the ADL cheerleaders shudder when the guy opens his mouth.

If one were as obsessive as drdon, the Hebron/Gush Emunim types are also a fun bunch and could provide as a regular supply of topics for similar discussions for some balance. The ritualized copout of some variation about "fundamentalists" doesn't cut it (whenever it's used), religion is always some form of politics with a very specific social-economic motive. Or just stupid, but that's also a lot of other things.

[MariMayans]

13. was he the guy..

with the "one Arab life isn't worth a Jewish fingernail"?

[Aidoneus]

15. maybe..

I'll check the quote, was it somebody at Goldstein's funeral that said something like that..?

[Aidoneus]

17. ah, here it is

Rabbi Yaacov Perrin at Baruch Goldstein's funeral--"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."

took me a minute to sort through the returns to get a couple decent sources to back it up; as would be expected various unsavory types were drawn to it like a magnet.

[bemildred]

4. Reminds me of Jerry Falwell.

Didn't ask for money though.

[The Magistrate]

5. The Whole Abrahamic Tradition, My Friend, is Shot Through With This Stuff

Once the Master exclaimed: "What does Heaven ever do? The seasons turn, grain grows, men eat. What does Heaven ever do?"

[bemildred]

6. I have a feeling it's not just the Abrahamic Tradition.

Religion has always been a great racket, almost anywhere you go.
But that is a big subject, Sir.

[The Magistrate]

7. That Is True, Sir

It is generally a killing matter, one way or another, wherever encountered.

[drdon326]

9. Unfortunately.....

you are correct.

but this kind of blatant state sponsored media anti-semitism
is beneath contempt.

[The Magistrate]

27. That Is True, Doctor

The use of religious sentiment by any party to any conflict to whip up blood-lust is indeed beneath contempt. It is also one of the things that makes this particular conflict so intractable. As you are well aware, there are similar rantings from some in Israel, appealing to the worst in Judaism. That they are not state-sponsored does not much lessen the difficulty they cause.

[Fight_n_back]

44. I humbly disagree

the fact that they are not state sponsored does indeed lessen the difficulty they cause. It does not eliminate it but it greatly lessens it.

[The Magistrate]

62. Here Is The Problem With That, My Friend

If one were to speak strictly, it would be possible to make a case much of such vitriol in Israel is state sponsored, for the ultra-religious do receive state subsidies, both in specialized schooling and in assistance in settling in conquered territories, and the good in kind of exemption from military service. Not all who receive such subsidies spout this poison, by a long sight, but some who do spout it are so subsidized.

Second, some parties that express such views are taken in to the current government. The worst of them are not, but just as in our country, where many Republican Party figures do, in fact, agree with a variety of extreme bigots in their hearts, and express merely more nuanced forms of such views, there is a considerable overlap in some of the minor party figures in Sharon's government with the pure forms of this vitriol.

Third, in the wholly totalitarian polities of the Arabian peninsula, there is nothing that is not state-sponsored, down to an ice-cream stand, essentially. There is therefore an apples to oranges quality in the attempt to draw the distinction as a meaningful one. By no means all the citizens of such polities can be assumed to share the full measure of bigotry promoted, and the rulers promote it as much as a means of focusing discontent somewhere besides themselves as anything else.

[Fight_n_back]

65. That is true

and in general, I agree with you more often than I agree with me.

And of course, Israel still has its military, if it didn't then the crazies may be unleashed.

So yes, it is apples and oranges.

There are trials of Jewish terrorists in Israel, however, that is the biggest indication that the "state" (or body politic) does not wholly condone such actions.

I believe you and I agree that if the PA adopted a peacefull resistance policy that Israel would be shamed into action.

[bemildred]

45. Any business needs to defend and enhance its revenue stream.

Violence seems to serve well in both cases. I must say I
have always found the notion of Buddhist soldiers and warriors
a bit contradictory, but then one can say the same of Christian
armies.

Since we are defending Twain this week, maybe the War Prayer would
be appropriate:

"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle-be Thou near them! With them, in spirit, we also go forth from the sweet
peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their
smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain;
help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us
to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the
sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it-for our
sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their
tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is
ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.


The whole thing:

http://www.lone-star.net/mall/literature/warpray.htm

[Darranar]

10. You know, drdon...

I heard a Palestinian imam speak over the weekend. He spoke about how we needed to love and respect each other and how the Jews and the Christians and the Muslims were all on the same boat and needed to work together. He told us how he rejected the call of violence and worked for peace and non-violence.

Yep, this was a PALESTINIAN imam, born near what is now the settlement Ariel. He immigrated to the US, but he was born in the West Bank.

So, you see, all Muslims aren't evil, all palestinians aren't evil, and all Palestinian Muslims aren't evil either.

Just thought a counter to your propaganda was needed.

[drdon326]

11. Glad to hear it.

He sounds like a great man......provide a link.


"So, you see, all Muslims aren't evil, all palestinians aren't evil, and all Palestinian Muslims aren't evil either."

first, i have never said that or intimated that and I almost resent
your implication to that.


2nd, the "propaganda" you refer to is the guy giving this hate-filled
speech......you should turn your venom to that kind of racism.
Sad that this bullshit doesnt seem to bother you.

[Darranar]

12. Provide a link?

I heard him in person - and I don't remember his name.

[drdon326]

14. No name.....no link.

tell me where and what day you heard him speak, I'll find it.

[Darranar]

16. Why should I?

Too much personal information that I have no inclination to post on the internet would be revealed.

[drdon326]

18. I want to know who.....

this great man is. He sounds like someone i want to
learn more about.

just give me where and when you heard him speak......

[Violet_Crumble]

19. You seem to be implying Darranar is lying...

Muslim leaders preaching peace isn't anything unusual. Instead of casting doubt of Darranar, why don't you try looking somewhere away from LGF and preferably away from the internet and learning more about these folk yrself...

on edit: demanding personal details after someone has said they're not willing to provide them is pretty out of line...

Violet...

[Muddleoftheroad]

23. In Don's defense

He HAS posted positive comments from just the kind of individual in question here. I think we all want to see more of people who choose the path of peace.

Personally, I too am curious about who this person is and no, I am NOT doubting he exists.

[Darranar]

24. Once again...

I have said all I wish to say. Any more would proabbly involve giving away personal information that I have no intention to give.

There are lots of Muslim leaders who are - and who have - preached acceptance and tolerance. If you want to find wone, Google it.

[Violet_Crumble]

26. Where?

Don has started threads with articles about Islamic clerics promoting peace? Given the volume of the negative comments, I assume we're talking about more than one? Have you got links to these threads? While I may have missed one thread, I'd be booting myself up the bum if I've missed several or even many...


Violet...

[Violet_Crumble]

63. Muddle?

I hope you didn't miss this post. I'm really interested to see those links to new threads with positive articles about Islamic clerics promoting peace...

Violet...

[sushi]

66. Of course he exists

and there are many like that. You only seem to hear about the bad ones, and don't forget there are bad religious leaders in the Christian world too.

[Violet_Crumble]

25. The problem is....

..that you can be almost as resentful as you like, but if someone were to do what you were doing thread after thread, but instead of focusing on Islam, they were to focus on extremist Rabbis to the exclusion of all else, and were to lift what they were posting from articles posted on a site that promotes intolerance, wouldn't you be one of the first to be thinking to yrself that the single-minded focus on what a few Jewish Rabbis say might just be borne out of anti-semitism? So, why would the single-minded focus on any other religion be any different?

Maybe to ensure that people don't wonder about the motives for posting some of this religious stuff you could even it out by starting threads about the hatred peddled by some Christian and Jewish religious types? I know you won't find that stuff over at LGF, but there's plenty of it around on the web...

Violet...

[rini]

59. shame

you don't go to shul once in a while. Rabbis talking about peace are not newsworthy because that is the norm.

[Darranar]

64. Neither are Muslims talking about peace.

n/t

[IndianaGreen]

20. What's the difference between you posting this filth

and Hamas posting theirs?

This is nothing but more proof that neither Israel nor the Palestinians are capable of breaking of their cycle of hatred. Since neither side is capable of containing their violence to their own borders, and since they, and they alone, bear full responsibility for the crimes that are committed in their names, the world has no other choice but to step in and put an end to this nonsense.

There are only two solutions:

1. Move the entire population that resides in Israel and the Occupied Territories and move them to another country of their choosing. They can live anywhere on this planet EXCEPT in Israel and the Occupied Territories. Once everyone is evacuated, then nuke the place to make sure that there is nothing but radioactive ashes left--this will most definitely end the conflict, the equivalent of taking a toy away from quarreling children, or

2. Repartition the land, putting Jews on one side and Arabs on the other, separated by a Korea-style DMZ, and with a heavily armed international force to keep both sides apart until there is no living memory of the hatred they once had for each other.

Which will it be? Option 1, or option 2?

[drdon326]

21. Hi Indy....

The difference is this kind of filth is state sponsored
media anti-semitism that as someone who hates racism as much
as i do , should be outraged at this crap.
(especially you Indy...and you know exactly what i mean).

I go with choice #3

Destroy the terrorists and negotiate peace.
My president came this close to a peace but arafathead nixed
it.

[Violet_Crumble]

22. So something is only racism if...

...it's 'state sponsored media anti-semitism'? Why aren't you as outraged about all racism and religious hatred? As long as it's not state-sponsored, it's not as bad? If it's not anti-semitism, it doesn't rate starting thread after thread about? All religions have their fair share of folk who twist their religion and use it to promote hate against others...

Did you miss the call in that thing you posted to destroy Christians? Why aren't you outraged about that? As an ex-Christian, I tried to build up some righteous indignation, but seeing as how there's Christians who say basically the same crap about Muslims, I think it's best to take this as what it is, the rantings of a religious extremist, and not to single out any one religion in an attempt to imply that there's only one religion that contains people who promote hatred...

Violet...

[Darranar]

28. Hey, wait!

It's only racism if it proves the "great threat" of "Islamists" and "jihadofascists!" And, of course, "leftist retards." Can't leave that out...

I don't want to offend anyone. My only point is that there is tremendous hype over all this islamic extremism when a whole host of things, many of which our great country is in part responsible for, are going on in the world that cause far more harm.

[drdon326]

29. Uhhhh...I suggest you rethink that....

I have NEVER used the words "leftist retards " ever.

show me where i said that.
its an absolute LIE.

I want a retraction and an apology,DARRANAR>

[drdon326]

30. BACK IT UP OR RETRACT IT.

.

[Violet_Crumble]

32. He didn't say YOU said it...

Though I have seen you lean heavily on 'jihadofascist' ;)

Violet...

[Darranar]

33. I apologize, drdon...

for any offense my post may have caused you. However, you, and anyone else who was offended by it, should know that I wasn't speaking about them specifically - I was speaking about how our society and culture and media has enlarged and exxagerated the threat of Islamic extremism, while ignoring and downplaying the threat of other forms of extremism.

[drdon326]

34. I accept.

I have NEVER said that.

[Violet_Crumble]

35. And he never said you did...

He specifically pointed that out when he apologised for you being offended by reading something into his words that wasn't there....

btw, you've been asked some questions elsewhere in the thread. Are you going to try to answer them and clarify things for people?

Violet...

[LastDemInIdaho]

36. exagerated the threat of Islamic extremism

Tell it to the victims that had their kids blown all to hell by a sicko that just wanted to kill some Jews. Maybe you think it's exagerated because you didn't lose any kids by the acts of Islamic extremism.

[Darranar]

37. Yah, it is exxagerated...

Especially since several root causes of Islamic extremism lie in Western imperialism, but no one but us leftist loonies want to talk about that...

On edit: Make that modern islamic extremism. And I said several root causes, not all root causes...

[The Magistrate]

38. The Greatest Harm This Reactionary Religiousity Does, My Friend

Is to the Islamic peoples themselves. It contributes far more to their toubles than anything done by the West.

[Darranar]

55. Completely agreed...

That was part of my point; why should we be goig across half the world to battle Islamic extremism when threats from extremists exist right here? "Libertarion" is all good and fine, once you do it after neutralizing all current threats to the situation at home.

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[Fight_n_back]

43. For some strange reason

people like you are very comfortable denouncing historical Christian fundamentalism or the scourge of Jewish Fundamentalism that occurred as Jews conquered the world in your fever dreams but blanche at discussing the very real threat that is Wahibism.

Its one of the great weaknesses of the left that a contrarian view must always be taken regardless of evidence.

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[Violet_Crumble]

31. LOL...

As a 'leftist retard' it's no wonder I can't summon up the righteous outrage and threat to my very existance that I should feel at the ravings of religious nutters ;)

Violet...

[Fight_n_back]

40. "hype over all this islamic extremism "

There is no need to bend over backwards to prove your liberal credentials by minimizing Islamic Estremism. Aknowleding Islamic extremism also doesn't prevent someon form being against a whole host of other things.

Wahhibism is a real threat.

[MariMayans]

53. "Wahhibism" isn't even a real word

figure out what the adherents of the sect of Islam you are so terrified of actually call it and maybe this would be something to be taken seriously.

[Darranar]

56. I acknowledge it...

I simply don't exxgagerate it.

Look at it this way. How many people have died from islamic extremism in the past year? How many have died from hunger? How many from heart disease? How many from cancer?

Maybe we should take some money from the Pentagon and start investing it in Health Care?

[Equinox]

57. Here, here!

n/t

[sushi]

67. "Destroy" and "Peace"

in the same sentence? Make up your mind.

[Alex88]

54. The US supports many Islamic states

The US supports the government of Quatar to serve its imperialistic aims. It has protected the Saudi Monarchy since WWII. It supports the monarchy of Jordan and many other Moslem governments to serve its imperialistic or geo-strategic aims. Also, the US toppled the democracy of Iran 50 years ago and propped up the repressive regime of the Shah there for 26 years. Why should the US go blameless with regard to the behavior of these states?

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[rini]

60. not people

n/t

[Violet_Crumble]

61. I noticed that too...

I figure it means that we can all start new threads starring religious extremists :)

Violet...