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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:17 AM Original message |
Amnesty urges Israel to tear down West Bank separation fence |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
1. Only the parts beyond the green line should be torn down and rebuilt on said line. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Well, it does say "West Bank separation fence". |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. They aren't neighbors, they are occupier and occupied. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Hi Tom, how are you? |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
5. 'Amnesty Israel must resign' |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. NGO monitor is a biased propaganda organ. nt |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
7. If I were an Israeli... |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 05:29 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. why not have the fence on the green line instead of occupied territory.. |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
9. Israel rejects Amnesty report urging end to West Bank fence |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. big deal.... |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. And that's because these are all areas in which Israel is operating against International law. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. intl law? |
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parkia00 (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Is that not a valid point being made? |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. the 67 border... |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. If it's a choice between building the wall in such a way that it separates Palestinians from their |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. your right..it is a no brainer.. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 06:46 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. It's not protecting Israelis, it's protecting settlements. |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 09:14 AM Response to Reply #24 |
51. What makes you think this? |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Well , settlement on occupied land is illegal , so pull the |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 09:19 AM Response to Reply #22 |
52. not quite. |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Ok , so give the palestinians the same voting rights as the settlers... |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Well, they already do. |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Yeah , but there are no US settlers settling in Iraq and demanding to annex parts of it to the USA! |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 04:16 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. That is because |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 04:45 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. No , I'm not suggesting that , they can live there , under palestinian rule.. |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 07:45 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. If you know the history behind all this, |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #75 |
84. OK, but why |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. What other alternative there is ? The UN partition plan ? |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Why are you thinking of the green line |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. This doesn't look like 95% to me , what I see is cantons |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. That map is area. |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. So basically the palestinians are squeezed into their crowded cities and towns and not |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. Well now you are just making stuff up. |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. How many checkpoints where dismantled , and how many are there ? |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. They already have the right to the vote that has the most . . |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. So if Israelis elect an ultra wing party like the one headed by Avigdor Lieberman ome day... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Israel has been a democracy since its founding in 1948. |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. I am not sure I completely buy the rosy picture of Israeli democracy... |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. No. |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. 1966 , thanks for the correction. |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 05:13 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. Wonderful! |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Ok , here is is from Wikipedia : |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. And if you don't like wikipedia , here is something from the Jerusalem Post |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Whats not true about what I said ? |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 07:49 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Of course. |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 06:26 AM Response to Reply #73 |
87. ... |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 08:49 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. thank you for not dismissing my comments o of hand ... |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 10:04 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Because |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I think that's somewhat illogical. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. the overflights...just some info.. |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Don't they also create sonic booms with no other purpose than to terrorize the population? |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. yes it must be terrorism..... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. the line of argument .... |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. So how low is Israel willing to go below intl law. ? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 06:55 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. No, it ought to do what is right. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. whos morality...and whos values.... |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Who said Israel is not allowed to respond? Where can you show me that international law says such a |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. i believe it was you who criticizes all israeli responses... |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 08:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. If not the settlers, then who were you referring to? Who is in danger if the wall is built along |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #38 |
67. thats nothing more than a cop out.... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 06:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. I've argued with you elsewhere as to how I think Israel should protect itself; you didn't agree. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. and thats why intl law is a farce.... |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 08:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. This is an insane statement. |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. they have that right because they are occupied by Israel. basic stuff. |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 09:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. OK. |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 09:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. So, you are saying Israel has a right to occupy Palestinian land but Palestinians don't have the |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 09:35 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Who cares what I think. |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. The UN Charter recognizes the right to self-determination. |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I read this four times... |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 09:47 PM Response to Reply #31 |
47. a few questions... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. please...this is really garbage.... |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. your disdain for Palestinians appears to be clouding your judgement. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. my disdane for the palestenians....? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. The equation was deliberate. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. and you ignore the palestenains who voted... |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 08:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. that's like saying the people who voted for Bush voted for the war, even though |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. so then... |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 10:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
49. additionally, |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. problem. |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 08:55 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I saw a bit of news today in which the reporter said something to the effect of |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. convince who? |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 09:29 AM Response to Reply #43 |
53. there are Ph d's in biology who believe in biblical creationism, |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 10:44 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Almost every ruling or decision against the fence... |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. but every other independent--international legal body hold the same opinion though |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Like what other legal bodies? |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. The International Committee of the Red Cross for one |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. unfortunately, the PDF file (the first one) does not open for me for some reason |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. It's wonky. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 04:45 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. rather over the top language.on the front page |
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