Shock, awe and dread

[pelsar]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/873758.html

The near-perfect public order that reigned in Gaza this week can be attributed, at least in part, to the fear Hamas struck into residents' hearts last week, during the Strip's civil war. Testimony collected from the days of fighting indicates that Hamas imposed a methodical system of terror and scare tactics intended to deter, shock and frighten Fatah operatives and Gaza residents in general.

Hamas was not using a random hit list. Every Hamas patrol carried with it a laptop containing a list of Fatah operatives in Gaza, and an identity number and a star appeared next to each name. A red star meant the operative was to be executed and a blue one meant he was to be shot in the legs - a special, cruel tactic developed by Hamas, in which the shot is fired from the back of the knee so that the kneecap is shattered when the bullet exits the other side. A black star signaled arrest, and no star meant that the Fatah member was to be beaten and released. Hamas patrols took the list with them to hospitals, where they searched for wounded Fatah officials, some of whom they beat up and some of whom they abducted.

Aside from assassinating Fatah officials, Hamas also killed innocent Palestinians

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no this was not a surprise.....Hamas had already shown how it "dealt" with those who disagreed with it, this is after all is what cultures that celebrate death do...they kill people......but as i've been told by several posters here over time.....once israel is no longer the occupier, how the Palestinians govern themselves is not anybodys business....interesting point of view: Palestinians killing Palestinians is "ok" cause their killing their own".

quite the interesting view for those who kept writing/talking about "human rights, etc of the Palestinians. ....unlike the israeli incursion into Jenine, there really were people lined up and shot, taken out of their homes and executed....maybe i'm reading the wrong papers but i havent heard many calls for justice....

so at least can we state that the double standard is now clear?

Palestinians and lebanese killing Palestinians and journalists and innocents....and there is almost no call to bringing them to justice.....israel does it, and the calls are loud and clear and continuous

its getting harder and harder to hide the hypocrisy.

[Swede]

1. The silence is deafening Pelsar.

Yes,the double standard is crystal clear.

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[Meshuga]

3. We can't recommend threads in the I/P forum

But we can kick it! :thumbsup:

[LeftishBrit]

4. Good point

Lots of people have been harming and killing Palestinians, including sadly some of their own leadership.

We should oppose killing, violence and oppression, whoever's doing it!

[AviBaruch]

5. No, only the Zionists

because even when it isn't them, it is.

[verbalkint]

6. There will be no peace

Dear Pelsar,

Thanks for the post. I couldn’t agree more. I have always found it bizarre and illogical that some are able to ignore bad behavior based on their own proximity to the individuals engaged in the bad behavior. If an individual witnesses group “A” rounding up members of group “B” and murdering them in front of the individual’s house then they would be horrified (one hopes anyway). But the same individual is bombarded with a wealth of evidence about similar behavior from a group thousands of miles away and they shrug it off as if it were nothing. Hamas and Fatah are and always have been terrorist organizations. And as we all know terrorist organizations terrorize and murder others. That’s their thing.

One of lessons all of us were supposed to have learned in the 20th century is that when the ISM’s (racism, fascism ,etc.) take hold of a culture then people suffer. Humanity as a whole is diminished. Tragedies are created on a grand scale. We learned that when individuals, neighbors, communities, governments, countries ignore the ISM’s they DON”T GO AWAY. We learned that the first people that suffer are others in the same culture and then the hatred, terrorism, murder are exported to others.

The Arab terrorist organizations have been oppressing Arab Muslims and their neighbors for a long time. Organizations like Hamas indoctrinate their CHILDREN into their culture of projection, paranoia, victimhood, intolerance, hatred, violence and vendettas. The husbands, sons, brothers and neighbors of this culture commit acts of intolerance and violence against one another and their neighbors on a daily basis.

Some would suggest that we (EU, UN, Israel, US, etc.) need to engage in diplomacy. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could all just sit down and talk through our differences? I’m sure humans everywhere would welcome that. But engaging in diplomacy and talking through differences suggest that there is an opportunity to find a “middle ground”. In a shame/honor culture such as Hamas/Fatah the acquisition and preservation of individual, family and tribal honor trumps everything including life itself. To find a middle ground would be a shameful act in this culture and therefore would be unimaginable. There will be no peace as long as this culture exists in its present form.