Hamas vows retaliation against Israel

[TheReligiousLeft]

<http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8A1945E4-363D-4265-800A-22157C48214A.htm>
The Palestinian resistance group Hamas has vowed to retaliate against Israel for its air raid inside Syria.

Izz al-Din al-Qassam, the armed wing of Hamas, threatened on Sunday to respond to an Israeli air strike earlier in the day it said targeted a Palestinian refugee camp.

"Our response to this serious escalation will be one of deterrence and it will happen soon in the depths of the criminal Zionist entity," its said in a statement.

Things are looking kind of ugly. I hope for the best, as we all do.

[Loyal]

1. Terrible

It will never stop.

[TheReligiousLeft]

3. But this is different

This isn't just within Israel/Palestine, this might spread into Syria etc.

[Muddleoftheroad]

13. Syria has been part of this for 55 years

Nothing new.

[loudnclear]

16. About as long as Israel has occupied Palestinian territory.

Hmm. Of course the Arabs are to blame for everything.

[Nevernose]

18. What an odd coincidence

Here I was, thinking that 55 years was the length of time that Palestinians had been occupying Israeli territory, and that people should really stop blaming the Jews for everything. ;-)

Sharon and Arafat are a couple of thugs -- maybe we could ship The Shrub and Scchwarzenegger to Israel?

[Spider Jerusalem]

27. Sure...

just like those obstreperous Cherokee, Sioux, Nez Perce, Paiute, and other natives were occupying American territory back in the nineteenth century. If you want to assign blame here, it belongs to both parties. Neither side is without fault.

[Nevernose]

28. I'm in very limited agreement with you

The Israelis -- unlike the imperialist United States of the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries, who slaughtered the "Cherokee, Sioux, Nez Perce, Paiute, and other natives" -- did not start the war that led to the conquest/annexation of territory. I am so rabidly pro-Israel that I don't even think that the West Bank/Gaza is occupied; as far as I'm concerned, it's Israeli property now, and will continue to be so as long as they can keep it.

Have the Israelis NEVER done anything wrong? No, of course not. The difference is, IMO, is that the Israelis are acting in self-defense.

That having been said:

Why are the Israelis/Palestinians still fighting over whose fault it was? You'd think that, after 50+ years, SOMEONE there would be willing to put aside their differences long enough to stop shooting at one another.

I really thought that there was a chance. Rabin got murdered, Barak lost the election... I think that Arafat is a common thug, a terrorist -- and Sharon's not much better.

Does Israel have the right to defend itself? Yes, but they have the OBLIGATION to use diplomacy, something their current leadership is apparently unable to even comprehend.

[Spider Jerusalem]

29. I think we agree here.

The state of Israel has a right to exist, and a right to defend itself. I dispute neither. But in order to bring the situation to some sort of resolution, they also have the responsibility to own some of the blame. Both sides are right, to an extent, both are wrong, to an extent. And the inability of either to admit to the latter, to compromise, to seek mutual understanding and common ground, leads to the ever-escalating spiral of hatred, resentment, violence and retaliation, with no end in sight.

I keep hoping people will be BETTER...and I keep getting disappointed. Bah.

[Muddleoftheroad]

31. Not true

Based on the poll they did just yesterday, not everyone here DOES think Israel has a right to exist.

[Fozzledick]

36. Israel TRIED diplomacy

Arafat rejected it, and continues to reject it. Barak offered him everything he said he wanted, but he's made it clear the only thing he really wants is the destruction of Israel, and he'll happilly sacrifice the lives of a million Palestinians to try to get it.

Until Arafat is gone, the ONLY thing that Israel can do is defend itself the best it can - Arafat's policy of responding to concessions with more terrorism leaves them no other choice!:grr:

[lfairban]

37. Please read, "The Myth of the Generous Offer"

I did.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=3996&forum=DCForumID30&archive=

[Muddleoftheroad]

22. Funny

Do you actually blame Israel for starting this conflict or just for daring to exist?

[Character Assassin]

2. Breaking: Eastern horizon believed to be tied to sunrise.

It isn't going to end without a wholesale slaughter of one side or another.

A pox on both their houses.

[Forkboy]

5. A pox on both their houses.

Exactly.

[PsychoDad]

4. And so it continues....

With Israel now possibly expanding the scope of the conflict into Syria. Death and more death....

on and on it goes..

[beanball]

6. Israeli aggression

has alway been condone by this country,in my openion that is the reason the conflict continues in the middle east.STOP THE AIDE AND THE CONFLICT WILL END.

[Muddleoftheroad]

14. LOL

Sure everything is ALWAYS Israel's fault. It doesn't matter that Syria supports terror against Israel. Israel MUST be wrong.

[rman]

17. actually he doesn't say it's Israel's fault, but rather America's fault

you seem overzealous in your defense of Israel.

[Muddleoftheroad]

23. He labeled his post "Israeli aggression"

And urged American to stop aid to Israel. That blames Israel.

[lfairban]

19. Not everything is Israel's fault, but this is.

n/t

[Muddleoftheroad]

24. So you believe Syria?

I wouldn't believe them if they said the earth revolves around the sun.

[lfairban]

34. I believe the reports . . .

. . . that say Israel struck inside Syria. Are you saying they didn't or that they are not responsible for their actions?

[Muddleoftheroad]

39. I am saying I don't believe Syria about the nature of the camp

I wouldn't believe Syria about almost anything.

[dolstein]

33. Yes, if Israel hadn't so aggressively existed since 1948

all the conflict in the Middle East would stop.

[Nlighten1]

7. And the circle of violence continues..

like the fucking energizer bunny.

[TheReligiousLeft]

8. One Ugly Bunny

The Middle East is one Ugly Bunny

[tom_paine]

9. Well, now that gasoline has been poured upon it

how can it ever flame out and begin to be put out?

And that's what the Busheviks have done...pour gasoline on the Middle east.

Naturally, being Totalitarians, they said they did it to "increase the peace", but that was as much as a "war is peace" type of lie as the Busheviks have told since way before Sept. 11.

[BeHereNow]

10. Okay, NOW

I am REALLY petrified.
God help everyone. this thing is escalating
WAY too fast.
We are spiraling into the abyss.
DAMN the CABAL and DAMN SHARON and his IDF goon squad.

[nn2004]

11. DAMN hamas, jihad, PA, arafat and all the other terrorists

and BLESS Israel.

[BeHereNow]

12. I have no problem blessing

the CITIZENS of Irsael- they too are
victims of the zealots, just as we here in America
are victims of the zealots in the White House.
AS are the the citizens in Syria and Palestine victims
of their zealot extremist nut case leaders.
Bottom line - BLESS the people in ALL lands and
DAMN the greedy corporate leaders.
I wish NO harm to anyone, but we shall ALL be
harmed by the political agendas of our respective
governments.
BHN

[lfairban]

20. Why exclude Israel from your damnation of terrorists?

Just because they are Israel? Isn't that a bit biased?

[Muddleoftheroad]

25. Just factual

The post damned terror groups.

[lfairban]

35. Again I say . . .

. . . why don't you consider the Israelis terrorists?

If there is a basis for exonerating Israel and condemning the countries they are fighting against, I fail to see it.

[donotpassgo]

15. Gee Thanks Conservatives...this is how preemption and escaltaion is

SUPPOSED TO WORK. They kill your people because you were going to kill their people. Then you kill their people because they killed your people. Then they kill your people because you killed their people.

The Neo-Con tactics at work. Just let Israel kill them all, because it'll stop terrorism...except when you stop and consider, retaliation WILL NEVER WORK BECAUSE IT HAS NEVER WORKED.

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[Character Assassin]

26. What a ridiculous assertion by Izz al-Dib al-Qassam

"Any assault on any Arab and Muslim country is an assault on the Palestinian people, part of the Arab and Muslim nation," the statement said.

Oh, OK. So a strike against any Muslim country is an attack on the Palestinians, a component part of the greater holistic entity, the Muslim 'nation'.

"After the Haifa martyrdom attack, the criminal enemy has attempted to export its internal crisis caused by the Palestinian resistance so they launched an air attack on Syria targeting places for Palestinian refugees."

But if the Palestinians attack Israel, it's 'exporting an internal crisis', and now suddenly the Palestinians are not part of, representative of or acting on behalf of the Muslim 'nation', and therefore any of their bases, facilities and personnel located outside of Israel are somehow, ambiguously, off-limits.

Not the brainiest spokesman they could have chosen.

[leesa]

30. Such a brilliant way to fight terrorism...bombing their children, wives,

brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers. Works every time!!

[dolstein]

32. How is this "late breaking news"

Hasn't Hamas been committed to the destruction of Israel for many years?

[LastDemInIdaho]

38. hamas will lose bigtime

hamas is nothing but a pack of cowards that enjoy murdering women and children that don't fight back. The sooner Israel completly wipes out the hamas vermin the better.

Any and all groups funding hamas should be dealt with too. hamas is about to become a has-been terrorist group.