Palestinian death cult

[drdon326]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1065527496182&p=1006953079865


The Palestinian death cult negates all the assumptions of western sentimental pacifism: If only the vengeful old generals got out of the way, there'd be no war. But such common humanity as one can find on the West Bank resides, if only in their cynicism, in the leadership: old Arafat may shower glory and honor on his youthful martyrs but he's human enough to keep his own kid in Paris, well away from the suicide-bomber belts. It's hard to picture Saeb Erekat or Hanan Ashrawi or any of the other aging terror apologists who hog the airwaves at CNN and the BBC celebrating the death of their own loved ones the way Miss Jaradat's brother did. "We are receiving congratulations from people," said Thaher Jaradat. "Why should we cry? It is like her wedding day, the happiest day for her."

I spent a short time on the West Bank earlier this spring. I would have spent longer, but to be honest it creeped me out, and I was happy to scram across the Allenby Bridge and on through Jordan to Iraq. Say what you like about the Sunni Triangle and RPG Alley, but I never once felt I was in a wholly diseased environment. On the West Bank, almost all the humdrum transactions of daily life take place in a culture that glorifies depravity: you walk down a street named after a suicide bomber to drop your child in a school that celebrates suicide-bombing and then pick up some groceries in a corner store whose walls are plastered with portraits of suicide bombers.

Nothing good grows in toxic soil. You cannot have a real peace with such people; you cannot even have the cold peace that exists between Israel and Jordan, where King Abdullah, host of the Arab-American-Israeli summit at the start of the road map, did not dare display the flag of the Zionist Entity, lest it provoke his subjects.
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palestinian death cult sums it up real well.

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[Scurrilous]

2. Palestinians venerate terrrorists.

Israelis elect them to political office.

[Stanchetalarooni]

3. What were the names of all those savages who belonged to...

...the Indigenous North American Death Cult back in the 15, 16,17,1800s?
I think a majority of those murdering redskins didn't get a plaque.
Can you imagine how pissed off the Americans would be if the last of the Shawnee and Pawnee and Sioux etc, went around hanging plaques and such around the North American continent (not to mention Central and South America)to honor their suicide warriors.
YIKES

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[Violet_Crumble]

5. What is this? Stereotyping Hour?

First mddemo. Now you. Neither the Palestinian or Israeli people revere murder. I know there's a word that describes people who think that way, but for the life of me I can't find it at my finger-tips right now, which is probably a lucky thing :)


Violet...

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[drdon326]

6. Sadly ...you are right.

There is apparently a large percentage that support these
terrorists. This kind of socio-pathology is indeed disturbing
to say the least.

[bluesoul]

8. hmm

Disturbing is also the fact that so many Israelis support Sharon and his policy. The socio-pathology of so many Israelis is also worth observing...

[Jim Sagle]

9. Self-defense isn't socio-pathology.

[bluesoul]

11. Vice versa

The Palestinians can claim the same, it's all only self-defense from being exterminated and pushed out of their land...

[rini]

13. except it's not

[Equinox]

15. BS Rini...

and you know it.

[bluesoul]

17. ....

Yes it is...

[Equinox]

14. We agree again, Sage....

I'm glad you recognize the Palestinians right to defend themselves.

:hi:

[rini]

10. when Israelis start

teaching children to become murderers and suicide bombers I'll be the first to agree. Right now those in authority in the PA are among the most callus people in the world.......they teach their children to want to die.

Let me ammend that. I have a dear friend from Jordon, or at least I did, whose greatest wish was to return to Jordon, refuse the draft and be executed. "Why," I asked "don't you want to be a living symbol of peace and work to change the system?" He was horrified at the thought. So maybe this is a cultural difference (the desire to be a dead martyr) that I just can't get my mind around.

[Equinox]

16. There are textbooks in Israel that teach to hate the Arabs, Rini...

Neither side is right. But you knew that.

[Gimel]

18. "There are textbooks in Israel that teach to hate the Arabs"

This statement says nothing relevent. No proof and no admission. "Neither side is right" avoids the solution. The thread of justice must be found so that peace can be established.

[Equinox]

41. No Gimel...when someone trots out that one side is...

always misbehaving...it is relevant to point out that fallacy of such an argument if in fact both sides are to blame. My post stands relevant. Israeli text books deny Palestinian history and in some cases call for hate.

[Gimel]

47. That is unconfirmed

Your opinion here is far from expert.

[Equinox]

48. You've been trounced in another post and you will be trounced now...

Special Report

Israeli Textbooks and Children’s Literature Promote Racism and Hatred Toward Palestinians and Arabs

By Maureen Meehan

SEPTEMBER 1999, pages 19-20

Israeli school textbooks as well as children’s storybooks, according to recent academic studies and surveys, portray Palestinians and Arabs as “murderers,” “rioters,” “suspicious,” and generally backward and unproductive. Direct delegitimization and negative stereotyping of Palestinians and Arabs are the rule rather than the exception in Israeli schoolbooks.

Professor Daniel Bar-Tal of Tel Aviv University studied 124 elementary, middle- and high school textbooks on grammar and Hebrew literature, history, geography and citizenship. Bar-Tal concluded that Israeli textbooks present the view that Jews are involved in a justified, even humanitarian, war against an Arab enemy that refuses to accept and acknowledge the existence and rights of Jews in Israel.

“The early textbooks tended to describe acts of Arabs as hostile, deviant, cruel, immoral, unfair, with the intention to hurt Jews and to annihilate the State of Israel. Within this frame of reference, Arabs were delegitimized by the use of such labels as ‘robbers,’ ‘bloodthirsty,’ and ‘killers,’” said Professor Bar-Tal, adding that there has been little positive revision in the curriculum over the years.

Bar-Tal pointed out that Israeli textbooks continue to present Jews as industrious, brave and determined to cope with the difficulties of “improving the country in ways they believe the Arabs are incapable of.”

Hebrew-language geography books from the 1950s through 1970s focused on the glory of Israel’s ancient past and how the land was “neglected and destroyed” by the Arabs until the Jews returned from their forced exile and revived it “with the help of the Zionist movement.”
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“Unfortunately Israeli children’s books are not an option for promoting equality in this society,” said Atamneh, citing a book written by Israeli writer/researcher Adir Cohen called An Ugly Face in the Mirror.

Cohen’s book is a study of the nature of children’s upbringing in Israel, concentrating on how the historical establishment sees and portrays Arab Palestinians as well as how Jewish Israeli children perceive Palestinians. One section of the book was based on the results of a survey taken of a group of 4th to 6th grade Jewish students at a school in Haifa. The pupils were asked five questions about their attitude toward Arabs, how they recognize them and how they relate to them. The results were as shocking as they were disturbing:

Seventy five percent of the children described the “Arab” as a murderer, one who kidnaps children, a criminal and a terrorist. Eighty percent said they saw the Arab as someone dirty with a terrifying face. Ninety percent of the students stated they believe that Palestinians have no rights whatsoever to the land in Israel or Palestine

Cohen also researched 1,700 Israeli children’s books published after 1967. He found that 520 of the books contained humiliating, negative descriptions of Palestinians. He also took pains to break down the descriptions:

Sixty six percent of the 520 books refer to Arabs as violent; 52 percent as evil; 37 percent as liars; 31 percent as greedy; 28 percent as two-faced; 27 percent as traitors, etc.

Cohen points out that the authors of these children’s books effectively instill hatred toward Arabs by means of stripping them of their human nature and classifying them in another category. In a sampling of 86 books, Cohen counted the following descriptions used to dehumanize Arabs: Murderer was used 21 times; snake, 6 times; dirty, 9 times; vicious animal, 17 times; bloodthirsty, 21 times; warmonger, 17 times; killer, 13 times; believer in myths, 9 times; and a camel’s hump, 2 times.

Cohen’s study concludes that such descriptions of Arabs are part and parcel of convictions and a culture rampant in Hebrew literature and history books. He writes that Israeli authors and writers confess to deliberately portraying the Arab character in this way, particularly to their younger audience, in order to influence their outlook early on so as to prepare them to deal with Arabs.

“So you can see that if you grew up reading or studying from these books, you’d never know anything else,” said Atamneh.

“But in the case of Palestinians, we grow up 500 meters away from what used to be a town or village and is now a Jewish settlement. Our parents and grandparents tell us all about it; endlessly they talk about it. It’s the only way.”

From: Washinton Report on Mideast Affairs

Shit..why don't you just Google it since you know so damned much.

I'd hate to see what your opinion amounts to.

[Gimel]

50. Your original statement

I pointed out that your statement said nothing by sayting that some Israeli textbooks teach hatred of Arabs. I am aware of the Cohen study, and whatever it says, it doesn't prove your vague and inflammatory statement.

It is good, in my opinion, that Israeli children learn to be suspicious of Arabs. I'm glad my children know when an Arab appears to be following them, and they can seek protection. It's a very good trait to have when one lives in a small country where over 500 ordinary citizens are slaughtered by innocent looking Arabs in less than 3 years.

Adaptive wariness, and knowing why there is a need for it is taught every day by the Palestinians themselves. No need for biased textbooks. If the Palestinians were better diplomats, there wouldn't be the suspicion about them that there is.

[Equinox]

51. Yeah...LOL...whatever...

Your post is hilarious....

gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "There goes the neighborhood."

I'm glad my children know when an Arab appears to be following them, and they can seek protection.

Quite telling.... :eyes:

Oh...btw, I brought up the Israeli textbooks to counter the earlier post about Palestinians teaching hatred. My intention was to show that it wasn't as "one-sided" as one would like for it to appear.


Puhhhhleeeeez........

[bluesoul]

52. Hmmm

Considering the several thousand Palestinian civilians killed since 1987 (first intifada) Palestinians should be even more suspicious of any Israeli.... Since they have been killed in far greater numbers they have more to worry about and their children.

[Gimel]

53. Perhaps they should

then there will be peace. If they stop their Intifada because they fear retalliation. It doesn't seem to be the case, however. The more they suffer, the better the PR.

[Equinox]

54. Or if they quit...Israel can just escalate the colonization of

Judea and Samaria?

[forgethell]

19. Yet Sharon

would stop his attacks on Palestinian terrorists if the terrorists ceased to attack Israeli civilians.

[bluesoul]

20. Don't trust Sharon

You trust Sharon too much. His history is very revealing sadly...

[forgethell]

23. I don't trust

any politician, republican, democratic, American, Isralei, French, or Iraqi. Or any other. But I don't think Sharon just loves to murder little Palestinian children, either. I think he is doing a thankless job in a hard situation. Whether or not he is doing it well is open to debate.

But I do know he will not stop until either he is defeated or the intifada is defeated.

[bluesoul]

24. Sharon

Hmm the Sabra and Shatila crime speaks in volumes about how much he cares about innocent people being killed. Even the Israeli Kahane commission found him indirectly responsible for the massacre. Did you forget that part of history? :shrug:

[forgethell]

26. No

not for a second. But "indirect" responsibility is, well, no responsibility at all, IMO.

[bluesoul]

28. here we go

You must be joking. By such logic the nazis were not responsible for anything since they didn't do the killings themselves, but other did them...come on you can do better then this..

[rini]

39. "the nazis were not responsible for anything

since they didn't do the killiing" Are you out of your frikkin mind!!!!!!!???

[Darranar]

40. Read the post that was replied to...

better yet, read the whole thing all over again. You completely didn't get it.

[bluesoul]

44. Nazis

The high ranks were not PERSONALLY involved in the killings. Don't play stupid, you know what I ment. Sharon was responsible for what happened in Sabra & Shatila. Period. Such man should never even have been given the option to run for PM....

[forgethell]

42. did he order the killings?

Why isn't he in jail? Was there a trial? Evidently not.

[Cassandra]

21. Actually...

Israel would stop its attacks on Palestinian terrorists if the terrorists ceased to attack Israeli civilians. I actually doubt Sharon would voluntarily stop, but if the suicide/homicide attacks stopped, Israelis would feel safe enough to vote Sharon and much of Likud out of office.

[Fozzledick]

25. Yep, that's the essence of it

All the Sharon bashers on here are overlooking the central fact that he was elected specifically to deal with Arafat's terror campaign.
Arafat put him into office, and Arafat is keeping him in office.

As a long time Labor supporter I have no love for the man, but I recognize (as do the overwhelming majority of Israelis) that a strong military response in one form or another is the ONLY possible response to the kind of large scale, state-sponsered terror campaign that Arafat is leading, and I'm sorely disappointed in Labor's failure to come up with a practical alternative to Sharon.

[Equinox]

12. Hey...at least it's not from LGF...I'm surprised.

n/t

[Cassandra]

22. And you thnk gratuitous insults are appropriate,

why?

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

27. Here you go

take a little trip around the posted site or LGF.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=19447

Feel free to defend this guy Cassandra.

Bill

[drdon326]

31. Willie...youre back.

school bus beat the traffic again ??

Hows your old friend doing?? lol

[Equinox]

38. Talk about gratuitous insults...

and Cassandra has the nerve to criticize me?

:eyes:

[Cassandra]

43. Yep

if the shoe fits, insert in mouth.

[Equinox]

45. Well then open wide.

:eyes:

[Cassandra]

46. That shoe is already firmly inserted in your mouth

and on a regular basis, too.

[Equinox]

49. Really now? How'd you get that idea?....

I'm really questioning your sanity...but It's not mine to deal with so....

Edit: fixed something

[Equinox]

37. Who insulted who?

[Scurrilous]

30. This story was posted on LGF...

...last night at 6:20 P.M. They have the same link to the JP as provided here. It seems someone likes to repost the less odious stuff from LGF here. :puke:

[bluesoul]

34. LGF?

Just one thing, does LGF stand for Little Green Footballs, the racist site?

[Darranar]

35. Yes...

it does.

[LevChernyi]

29. Israel would never be anything like that..

"Massada in the Carmel" was never a rallying cry.

The reason Israel isn't ever, ever, leaving the West Bank doesn't have anything to do with a few Jewish tombs (that people are quite willing to die for).

The "Samson option" is unheard of.

The Israeli's are quite obviously a picture of sanity rooted in a love of living vs. those nasty Death Worshiping Arabs crawling along out there in the territories :eyes:

[Darranar]

32. You know who you really can't make peace with?

Ariel Sharon.

[Fozzledick]

33. Egypt and Jordan did

Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iran chose not to.

[Darranar]

36. With Ariel Sharon?