Qureia Suggests Quitting Palestinian Post

[drdon326]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=3&u=/ap/20031009/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians

In a setback for the new Palestinian prime minister, legislators postponed a vote on his Cabinet amid bitter disputes Thursday over its composition and size. In the West Bank, a suicide bomber blew himself up at an Israeli army base, injuring three people.

Following his failure to win parliament approval for his Cabinet, Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia held a stormy meeting with Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) in which he suggested he no longer wanted the job, officials said. Arafat's spokesman said there were "serious differences" but denied Qureia had resigned.


Thursday's bombing killed the attacker, wounded two Israeli soldiers, one seriously, and slightly wounded a Palestinian, army officials said. The Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack and identified the bomber as Ahmed Safadi, an 18-year-old high school student from the village of Oref south of Nablus.


The bomber walked up to an office at an Israeli army base near the West Bank town of Tulkarem where Palestinians apply for humanitarian permits to cross roadblocks and blew himself up, the army said. The bombing came after Israel ordered a special call-up Thursday of four reserve battalions to patrol the West Bank and Gaza.


Qureia has pledged to work to end the ongoing violence, but Thursday's developments seemed to bode ill for his chances of survival. The arguments over his Cabinet flared in back-room negotiations even as dozens of legislators and hundreds of Palestinian officials gathered for its expected confirmation. Arafat appointed the eight-member temporary "emergency Cabinet" Sunday; a vote would have turned it into a normal government.

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"normal government"??....apparently the chairman has problems
playing well with others.

[drdon326]

1. wow...

"Thursday's bombing killed the attacker, wounded two Israeli soldiers, one seriously, and slightly wounded a Palestinian, army officials said."

thankfully, no HUMANS were killed.....just the suicide
bomber.

[bluesoul]

2. Explain

And he was not a human?

[rini]

3. Murderers surrender their humanity

The good guys keep theirs.

[bluesoul]

4. I thought so

And the IDF are the GOOD guys?

[bluesoul]

5. logic

The man did not murder anyone but himself.

[drdon326]

6. And wanted to kill as many innocent jews...

as possible.

no humanity.

[Darranar]

7. Combatants...

were targeted.

This was legitimate resistance.

[drdon326]

9. PROVE IT !!!!!!!!

How do you know this suicide bomber wasnt headed for
a restaurant or nightclub or bus??

PROVE IT !!!

[Aidoneus]

10. for starters,

According to radio reports, the attacker walked up to an office at an Israeli army base near the town where Palestinians apply for humanitarian permits to cross roadblocks and set off the explosion.

[Violet_Crumble]

48. Yeah, that's pretty convincing...

I can understand why drdon ignored it...

Violet...

[Darranar]

12. I don't KNOW...

But neither do you.

I was simply posting an alternate scenario. You made the accusation, it is on you to prove it.

[drdon326]

14. You made the accusation.

"Combatants were targeted"

a got a whole lot of proof that they target non-idf
innocents.

[Darranar]

16. Sorry...

that should have read "Combatants might have been targeted." It is certainly possible that this bombing was intended to target IDF soldiers.

You made the accusation that she wanted to kill as many innoocent Jews as possible. Prove it.

[drdon326]

19. My pleasure.

the history of suicide bombings is lenghthly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=18223

it doesnt take a great leap of faith to believe this
is anything but another.

[Darranar]

21. Quite a few of them have targeted Israeli soldiers in the past...

why couldn't this be one of those?

[drdon326]

23. PROVE IT.

you said " Quite a few of them have targeted Israeli soldiers in the past..."


thats your opinion .

prove that statement and please compare it to my list.

[Darranar]

24. From your list...

Sept. 9, 2003: A bus stop near an army base outside Tel Aviv - eight Israeli soldiers killed.

[drdon326]

27. *yawn*

it was a bus....

and youre comparing that ONE INCIDENT against all the
other attacks??

wheres the "quite a few "??

dont you think before you make such outrageous statements
as they were targeting "combatants" and "quite a few",
you might want to not let your own biases get in the way
of facts??

[Darranar]

33. It was a bus STOP...

and there have been quite a few instances of Palestinian resistance targeting IDF soldiers - why can't they use suicide bombers? They did this time, and they did at the bus stop.

[drdon326]

37. You're amazing.

again "quite a few" ......AND NO PROOF.

and you want to EXTRAPOLATE this one instance at a
bus stop to make your case that this bomber was
targeting the checkpoint??

again Darranar, please dont let your biases interfere
with facts....

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[Darranar]

50. No proof?

If you deny that Palestinian gunmen have routinely targeted iDF soldiers, you know very little about this confict and you're simply sputing junk.

[Lithos]

49. Israeli military casualties

I don't have the a link on hand showing the exact breakdown but about a third of all casualties (killed and wounded) from attacks have been either Israeli military or governmental people.

See

http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0ia50

and note the large number of deaths by people with military rank.

Lithos

[Aidoneus]

17. in this incident?

where? let's see it. Seems to my eyes (eyes that actually read accounts of the act itself instead of leaping before looking) that it was quite specifically an army checkpoint targetted--on the other hand if you find them to be "as many innocent jews as possible", I guess there's not much to discuss..

[Aidoneus]

25. chirp chirp..

on the other hand,
According to radio reports, the attacker walked up to an office at an Israeli army base near the town where Palestinians apply for humanitarian permits to cross roadblocks and set off the explosion.

What are you using as the basis for your claims here?

[Darranar]

26. His only evidence is that other suicide bombings have targeted civilians.

n/t

[drdon326]

28. Aidoneus.....

why did this attacker want to cross the roadblock.....
with a suicide belt??

[Aidoneus]

29. who says he tried to *cross* it?

it seems he walked right up to it. If you have any evidence that this was not an intentional hit on the army checkpoint, do share..

[drdon326]

30. He walked right up ....

to get a permit to cross.

Given the endless suicide bombing of innocent people,
please state that given the 2 choices, in light of an
overwhelming history, you believe that the target was the
checkpoint??

[Aidoneus]

34. do you have a link to any different version of events?

he (other reports say a 'she') walked right up to the location that was hit, and in the accounts I have seen of it there is nothing to suggest that this was not the intended target.

I say again, do you have any proof to suggest otherwise and that matches your claims? Tulkarm has been cut off and locked up (reduced essentially to an open air detention camp) for at least a couple days now, motivation for exactly this act is obvious enough.

[Aidoneus]

8. again, don

How would you feel if it was Jews that were being called nonhuman? I guess it's only wrong sometimes..

[drdon326]

11. If it was a jewish suicide bomber.....

who wanted to purposefully kill innocents, id say
the exact same thing.

[Darranar]

13. What if it was a Jewish terrorist?

Like one of those settlers?

I've never seen you post anything against them...

[drdon326]

15. Then read more.

.

[Darranar]

18. Okay, do so...

Acknowledge and condemn terrorist acts by settlers.

[drdon326]

20. I already have.

.

[Darranar]

22. When?

n/t

[Aidoneus]

31. how does that work, exactly?

is there some special serum that Palestinians are injected with when they join the al-Qassam or al-Quds brigades that alters their DNA?

Or, as my theory goes, is this just run-'o-the-mill tactics of demonizing hyperbole? It seems that those things are only sometimes wrong, i.e. if it was somebody saying Jews are subhuman animals that can smell their own--that's terrible and wrong. But Arabs as nonhuman and animals is an acceptable demonization for some and consistantly tolerated here. :eyes:

[drdon326]

32. No.....

i would NEVER say such things about any group.

I have NO PROBLEM saying that about persons who
callously,wantonly, and purposefully commit murder.

[bluesoul]

35. Question

Who are those persons? Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims in general?
I have one more question for you. Do you consider Islam a "death cult" (as our conservative friends like to call it) and the religion itself responsible for terrorism and hatred? Thank you!

[Scurrilous]

36. Dr. Baruch Goldstein...

Human or subhuman? Inquiring minds want to know...

[drdon326]

38. EASY....

MURDERING dirtball scum.

(i have Never used the word s**human)

[Aidoneus]

39. "thankfully, no HUMANS were killed.....just the suicide bomber"

what is that meant to imply then?

[drdon326]

41. EASY....

inhuman.

[Aidoneus]

46. oh. that's completely different..

.

[Darranar]

40. Dr. Baruch Goldstein...

human or not human?

[drdon326]

42. Easy again...

inhuman.

[Darranar]

43. So in regard to inhumanity...

you're pretty fair and balanced. That's a start.

[drdon326]

44. Youre turn...DARRANAR

GOLDSTEIN....HUMAN OR INHUMAN??

TERRORISTS AND PEOPLE who gave aid and comfort to
the Terrorists..... human or inhuman??

[Darranar]

45. Both human...

inhumane, despicable, and unjustifiable acts of terrorism don't alter their genetic makeup.